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		<title>By: Brian Withnell</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2007/12/11/the-huckster-is-a-magic-man/comment-page-1/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Withnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

The marketplace can work. Illegals are not what I believe he is talking about -- once a person is here legally, there are a lot of marketplace fundamentals that get put back in their proper places that are not in place now. If a worker is here illegally, there is little incentive for them to report labor abuse. I have a very close friend that quit a company that started hiring illegals, and was pressuring him as a manager to fire those that were here legally -- so they could cut costs by ignoring labor laws. He quit that company and started a different line of work rather than capitulate. I understand that illegals are a real problem. On the other hand, having people here legally is nowhere near the problem.

Once a person is here legally, and they know they do not have to worry about being deported if they face unfair labor practices, they won&#039;t think too much about changing jobs and filing a complaint that could get them a lot of back pay. Those that are here legally can find jobs, but those jobs will pay at least minimum wage; those jobs will pay overtime as required by law; those jobs will provide safe working conditions. As that happens, there will be little incentive to hire an alien over a resident. Of course one part of this would be to make those who under those conditions hire illegals pay through the nose (like two years full time salary for every illegal they hire as a fine paid 75% to the local government in which the illegal lives, and 25% to the person that reports it -- as long as they did not hire them in the first place).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>The marketplace can work. Illegals are not what I believe he is talking about &#8212; once a person is here legally, there are a lot of marketplace fundamentals that get put back in their proper places that are not in place now. If a worker is here illegally, there is little incentive for them to report labor abuse. I have a very close friend that quit a company that started hiring illegals, and was pressuring him as a manager to fire those that were here legally &#8212; so they could cut costs by ignoring labor laws. He quit that company and started a different line of work rather than capitulate. I understand that illegals are a real problem. On the other hand, having people here legally is nowhere near the problem.</p>
<p>Once a person is here legally, and they know they do not have to worry about being deported if they face unfair labor practices, they won&#8217;t think too much about changing jobs and filing a complaint that could get them a lot of back pay. Those that are here legally can find jobs, but those jobs will pay at least minimum wage; those jobs will pay overtime as required by law; those jobs will provide safe working conditions. As that happens, there will be little incentive to hire an alien over a resident. Of course one part of this would be to make those who under those conditions hire illegals pay through the nose (like two years full time salary for every illegal they hire as a fine paid 75% to the local government in which the illegal lives, and 25% to the person that reports it &#8212; as long as they did not hire them in the first place).</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Budzinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Budzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: zimzo</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2007/12/11/the-huckster-is-a-magic-man/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>zimzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Christmas gift to you all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWUdUDUIDQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Christmas gift to you all:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWUdUDUIDQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWUdUDUIDQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Budzinski</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2007/12/11/the-huckster-is-a-magic-man/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Budzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That used to be considered a good magazine if you can believe it. Now, pap. You would think for an article on such a contemporary topic they&#039;d find a writer who could do a little original research. A lesson from J.D. Hayworth? Please.

Oh well, I&#039;m glad you have something with pictures to occupy yourself with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That used to be considered a good magazine if you can believe it. Now, pap. You would think for an article on such a contemporary topic they&#8217;d find a writer who could do a little original research. A lesson from J.D. Hayworth? Please.</p>
<p>Oh well, I&#8217;m glad you have something with pictures to occupy yourself with.</p>
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		<title>By: zimzo</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2007/12/11/the-huckster-is-a-magic-man/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>zimzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I can thank you guys enough for helping the Republicans lose for decades to come:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/17/071217fa_fact_lizza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I can thank you guys enough for helping the Republicans lose for decades to come:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/17/071217fa_fact_lizza" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/17/071217fa_fact_lizza</a></p>
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		<title>By: G. Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Huckster the guy Heart was singing about ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Huckster the guy Heart was singing about ?</p>
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		<title>By: G. Stone</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2007/12/11/the-huckster-is-a-magic-man/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian :
 Anyone with any questions at all as to the costs of illegals government(s) need to  read the new CBO report issued just this week. The myth that illegals pay their fair share via sales tax and Social Security taxes ( using bogus SS numbers )is now dead for good. Illegals are a net drain on our system and as those illegals have more and more children, that drain becomes larger with each passing year.

 Importing another nations poor while maintaining even a modified welfare state will never work. It is a receipt for economic diaster.

 America may very well need workers, however an economy always works  better when it is the invisible hand of the marketplace guiding commerce as opposed to government subsidy or neglect. By neglect I mean government turning a blind eye to immigration enforcement out of a misguided belief that vocal and influential special intrests speak for the nations economy as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian :<br />
 Anyone with any questions at all as to the costs of illegals government(s) need to  read the new CBO report issued just this week. The myth that illegals pay their fair share via sales tax and Social Security taxes ( using bogus SS numbers )is now dead for good. Illegals are a net drain on our system and as those illegals have more and more children, that drain becomes larger with each passing year.</p>
<p> Importing another nations poor while maintaining even a modified welfare state will never work. It is a receipt for economic diaster.</p>
<p> America may very well need workers, however an economy always works  better when it is the invisible hand of the marketplace guiding commerce as opposed to government subsidy or neglect. By neglect I mean government turning a blind eye to immigration enforcement out of a misguided belief that vocal and influential special intrests speak for the nations economy as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Withnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Withnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are differences between what he is saying and amnesty. The biggest difference is illegals are sent home, and go to the end of the line. That is at least fair to those that have not crossed the boarders and *are* waiting in line. My only bone to pick is how many people do we need here as immigrants and should there be a cap on immigration. Hard question to answer. Those already here generally say no (ask me about h1-b and I&#039;ll tell you I don&#039;t like it one bit). Those that are opposed to illegal immigrants argue it costs us money to support all the social programs/schools for low paid workers whose taxes do not support the programs from which they benefit. Are either valid? It depends on your axiom set/world view.

If immigrants are here legally, then it is no longer a &quot;rule of law&quot; issue, it become economics. Huckabee would remove the rule of law issue by making it so easy to immigrate that it would not make sense to do so illegally. That might actually be a benefit in the long run -- employers would no longer have an option of hiring illegal aliens and paying substandard wages. The undocumented workforce would become documented very rapidly (if people could just leave, then come back easily, it would certainly encourage those that are working for less than minimum wage to do so.) Those that are honoring the laws would be first in line, so that would be fair.

I do believe it seems absurd that it would take years to get into the country legally. Weeks would seem like a much more reasonable time frame (I&#039;m not sure why it would take much more than a couple of weeks to assure a person is not a criminal, verify their identity, verify they have sufficient funds to not be a drain immediately on the economy and then admit them on a workers visa.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are differences between what he is saying and amnesty. The biggest difference is illegals are sent home, and go to the end of the line. That is at least fair to those that have not crossed the boarders and *are* waiting in line. My only bone to pick is how many people do we need here as immigrants and should there be a cap on immigration. Hard question to answer. Those already here generally say no (ask me about h1-b and I&#8217;ll tell you I don&#8217;t like it one bit). Those that are opposed to illegal immigrants argue it costs us money to support all the social programs/schools for low paid workers whose taxes do not support the programs from which they benefit. Are either valid? It depends on your axiom set/world view.</p>
<p>If immigrants are here legally, then it is no longer a &#8220;rule of law&#8221; issue, it become economics. Huckabee would remove the rule of law issue by making it so easy to immigrate that it would not make sense to do so illegally. That might actually be a benefit in the long run &#8212; employers would no longer have an option of hiring illegal aliens and paying substandard wages. The undocumented workforce would become documented very rapidly (if people could just leave, then come back easily, it would certainly encourage those that are working for less than minimum wage to do so.) Those that are honoring the laws would be first in line, so that would be fair.</p>
<p>I do believe it seems absurd that it would take years to get into the country legally. Weeks would seem like a much more reasonable time frame (I&#8217;m not sure why it would take much more than a couple of weeks to assure a person is not a criminal, verify their identity, verify they have sufficient funds to not be a drain immediately on the economy and then admit them on a workers visa.)</p>
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		<title>By: Had Enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Had Enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Baptist Minister drinks &quot;Jesus Juice&quot; when it comes to Illegals. He just about gave them Arkansas no questions asked.

He is as bad as Bush, McCain, Kennedy, Lieberman and the other compassionate traitors inside the beltway.

Finally, I do NOT want a Minister of any faith running the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Baptist Minister drinks &#8220;Jesus Juice&#8221; when it comes to Illegals. He just about gave them Arkansas no questions asked.</p>
<p>He is as bad as Bush, McCain, Kennedy, Lieberman and the other compassionate traitors inside the beltway.</p>
<p>Finally, I do NOT want a Minister of any faith running the country.</p>
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