No Trespassing
December 19th, 2007 by joe
The Paper of Record has an interesting article about current terminology related to illegal migrants. Generally speaking, I have always figured “illegal immigrants” is the most useful because everyone who hears it knows what you are talking about, and in the communications field that is one of the things you are shooting for. But technically, illegal migrants is what they really are, because the term refers to people who have eschewed the immigration process - which is a legal process - and taken it upon themselves to migrate to the U.S. illegally. The downside of this terminology is it causes unfamiliar listeners to do a double take - they have to think before recognizing what is being said.
And as the author notes, illegal “alien” is the proper term for the illegal migrants in the context of U.S. law.
But semantically we can quibble over categories such as “authorized” or “documented” in the “un-” tense. Also, it is surely not unreasonable in shorthand to refer to those in the U.S. illegally as “illegals.”
In the interest of clarification and social harmony, I propose we call it what it is from here on out, and simply refer to the interlopers as “trespassers.” They are not allowed to be here, and therefore they are trespassing.
That being settled, I assume we can move on.
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December 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
The problem with the term trespassers is we actually prosecute trespassers, that is if you are U.S. citizen. Those foreign trespassers here without permission seem to have discovered where the Survivor TV show is hiding all of the immunity idols. For them, America has become the corner of the Monopoly board. No matter where they toss the dice it is always-GET OUT OF JAIL FREE ! By the way my friend heres $200 bucks to hold you over until that next drywall job.
I am afraid no matter how cumbersome we are back to calling them- Alien Trespassing Illegal Migrants or ATIM’s for short.
December 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Actually, U.S. Code uses the term “unlawful alien.”
December 20th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
NO MATTER WHAT NAME WE CHOOSE, THE SITUATION WITH “ALIENS” COMING INTO AMERICA HAS TO STOP.
I AM SO VERY TIRED OF AMERICA CONFORMING TO THE “ALIEN” THAT WE ARE LOOSING OUR HERTIAGE. WE SPEAK ENGLISH HERE…NOT 1 FOR ENGLISH, 2 FOR SPANISH….ONLY ENGLISH.
WE AS AMERICANS NEED TO VOICE OUR DISPLEASURE OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH “ALIENS” WHO WILL NOT LEARN ENGLISH, COME INTO OUR NATION ILLEGALLY AND EXPECT EVERYTHING ON A SILVER PLATTER.YET STILL LIVE LIKE THEY ARE IN THEIR COUNTRY.
VOICE YOUR COMPLAINTS TO YOUR SENATOR OR CONGRESS PERSON. REMEMBER, YOUR VOTE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RE-ELECT THESE PEOPLE.
AMERICANS NEED TO REMEMBER THERE IS NO SHAME IN ANY JOB YOU DO, DO SAID JOB WITH PRIDE AND DIGNITY, NO MATTER WHAT THE PAY..IT HELPS TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE, COATS ON THE BACK.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Hey, Marjorie, can you come over and clean my bathroom for me? It’s a mess and I know you won’t be ashamed. My maid quit when I wouldn’t give her the cleaning supplies on a silver platter. At least I think that was the reason. She kept saying “bandeja de plata” over and over again, even though I know she can speak English because whenever I pointed at something and yelled very loud, she seemed to understand.
Speaking of yelling, did you know that writing in all caps is the Internet equivalent of yelling and is considered to be quite rude? There’s a little key above the Shift key on your keyboard. If you press it one more time, you’ll be able to write normally again. I just thought that perhaps you would want to fit in with the rest of us.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:00 am
That is pretty racist, Zimzo, even for you. So only Mexicans or indigenous Americans (or, I presume, Africans?) would be considered appropriate to clean your bathroom? You’ve let your ethnocentric slip show before, but it is disappointing nonetheless.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:33 am
Wow, that *was* kind of offensive, Zim.
FYI, Marjorie explained a while back that she needs to use all caps because of issues with her eyesight.
Requires adjusting your mindset to read her posts without thinking of them as shouting, but I’m sure you can let go of your preconceptions as you read. Er, on second thought….
December 21st, 2007 at 2:22 am
so she can’t read this comment?
December 21st, 2007 at 7:56 am
It is easier to read with the magnifier than it is to write.
December 21st, 2007 at 10:33 am
HEY ZIMO: IF A MAID WON’T CLEAN YOUR BATHROOM THAT’S SAYING ALOT ABOUT YOUR HYIGENE HABITS OR LACK THERE OF, AS AN FYI, I HAVE CLEANED A FEW HOUSES AND I MUST SAY IT CAN BE AN EYE OPENER AS TO HOW PEOPLE TREAT THEIR LIVING SPACE.
THANK YOU LINDA FOR REMEMBERING WHY I WRITE IN CAPS,
AS FOR THE REST OF YOU, GET USED TO IT,
THOUGHT FOR YOUR DAY:
WHILE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO READ IN LOWER CASE, THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THERE THAT CAN READ ONLY IN LARGE PRINT,
December 21st, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Zimzo,
Wow first you show us what a total loser racist you are, and, then you show utter disdain for those with impaired eyesight. Yup, you are a gem. I will pray for you boy.
BTW, as a fan of all Lemmon and Matthua movies I can feel for your maid. The poor woman must have been in shock and referenced the movie ‘The Odd Couple’ with you as Oscar (of course). However in her state she instead spoke the the name of the movie “On a Silver Platter.”
BTW do you bath? Because you really stink zimzo. Furthermore, try not to be such an obnoxious pug during the Christmas Season. Bring some Joy to the World, instead of the your tired and dull snarkiness.
Santa is gonna put a lump of coal in your stocking.
December 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 am
How interesting, Joe, that you would say that my very obvious parody of you and your encounter with the hotel maid who didn’t speak English sounds racist. A glimmer of self-awareness perhaps?
And funny, too, Linda that you say Marjorie’s all-cap posts “requires adjusting your mindset,” when the point of her post was that immigrants must readjust their mindsets to conform to her notion that they should immediately become fluent in English upon arrival. Irony upon irony.
In truth, I was not aware of her explanation of why she wrote in all caps and now that I know, I won’t require her to endure the extra hardship of conforming to the majority the way she wants to impose extra hardship on newly arrived immigrants. Instead I will attempt to get beyond my prejudice against those who write in all caps and make an effort to understand what she is writing, the way I would make an effort to understand newly arrived immigrants struggling with English, remembering as well those hospitable citizens of other countries who tried to understand me when I attempted, not always successfully, to communicate in their languages.
December 22nd, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Zim, the parody part *was* obvious. But it was the first two sentences, presumably written in response to Marjorie’s comment that “AMERICANS NEED TO REMEMBER THERE IS NO SHAME IN ANY JOB YOU DO,” that were offensive.
December 22nd, 2007 at 7:06 pm
And I guess my point, Linda, if I need to explain so that it will be perfectly clear to you, was that it is very easy to tell people that they should remember there is no shame in any job you do when you don’t have to do that job and that no one ever said that anyone should be ashamed of doing any job in the first place.
If Marjorie thinks that someone else should be doing the jobs that illegal immigrants are doing, perhaps she should do one of those jobs her herself instead of trying to recruit other Americans to do them because she would prefer not to have immigrants around who don’t speak English well enough to suit her.
December 22nd, 2007 at 9:19 pm
HELLO ZIMZO,
FOR YOUR SMALL BRAIN TO COMPREHEND I HAVE DONE THE JOBS THAT THE ILLEGALS ARE NOW DOING…MY POINT WAS THAT MANY AMERICANS THINK THAT THOSE JOBS ARE DEMEANING OR DO NOT PAY ENOUGH. HENCE:”AMERICANS NEED TO REMEMBER THERE IS NO SHAME IN ANY JOB YOU DO,”
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO CLASSIFY THE DIFFERENCE TO THE PHRASE ILLEGAL ALIEN AND IMMIGRANT. THE IMMIGRANT IS HERE WITH PROPER PAPERS AND DOCUMENTS: HOWEVER THE ILLEGAL ALIEN IS HERE WITH OUT SUCH DOCUMENTATION, PERIOD.
AS FOR CONFORMING TO THE MAJORITY, I BY NO MEANS HAVE TROUBLE HELPING IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE HERE LEGALLY TO SPEAK ENGLISH AND LEARN THE AMERICAN WAY. BUT KEEP IN MIND, OTHER COUNTRIES ALLOW AMERICANS TO VISIT, YET WHEN OUR VISA TIME ENDS….HERE’S THE AIRPORT…GO HOME.
AS FOR ILLEGALS ALIENS: WITHOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION THEY SHOULD NOT BE HERE.
SINCE THEY ARE HERE, THEY SHOULD BE LEARNING OUR LANGUAGE. INSTEAD THEY LOOK AT THOSE WHO DO SPEAK ENGLISH WITH “WHY ARE YOU NOT SPEAKING SPANISH” EXPRESSION. IT HAS NOW GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT MANY ILLEGALS ALIENS DO NOT EVEN ATTEMPT TO LEARN ENGLISH. YES, ZIMZO, I HAVE ENCOUNTERED THIS FACT IN PERSONALLY.
AS FOR YOU ZIMZO: SINCE WHEN IS IT RACIST TO SPEAK THE TRUTH. JOE WAS ONLY STATING A FACT THAT I CAN WHOLE HEARTLY AGREE ON.
AS FOR WRITING IN CAPS, SUCH COMPASSION YOU HAVE FOR THOSE WHO ENJOYING READING BUT MUST DO SO IN LARGE PRINT.
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December 23rd, 2007 at 9:05 am
Nice try, Zimzo
December 23rd, 2007 at 2:26 pm
LOOK, MARJORIE, I AM MAKING AN EFFORT TO SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE INSTEAD OF FORCING YOU TO SPEAK MINE. WHAT MAKES YOU SO CERTAIN THAT THE PEOPLE WHO “LOOK AT THOSE WHO DO SPEAK ENGLISH WITH “WHY ARE YOU NOT SPEAKING SPANISH” EXPRESSION” (I HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS) ARE IN FACT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. DO YOU ASK THEM FOR THEIR PAPERS?
December 23rd, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Zimzo, thanks for making the point that Illegal and Legal Immigrants or Migrants are not making any effort to assimilate in any way. As far as the legals not learning English you can thank Clinton for that since he signed executive order 13166 on August 11, 2000, “Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency.”
We can also thank him for the “Motor Voter” which has allowed Illegals and Non-Citizens to vote.
December 23rd, 2007 at 5:42 pm
ZIMZO:WHAT LANGUAGE ARE YOU SPEAKING? AS FAR AS I CAN SEE IT IS ENGLISH.
AS FOR EXPRESSIONS: IT’S CALLED “DUH. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING KINDA LOOK, YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS ONE.
AS FOR YOUR SUPPORTING THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT/ ALIEN…HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO SUPPORTING ALL THE ILLEGAL ALIENS IN LOUDOUN COUNTY. HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT THE SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, SOCIAL SERVICES ETC., ARE IMPACTED BY DEALING WITH THE ILLEGAL SITUATION..
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE TYPE OF ILLEGAL ALIEN THAT COMES INTO OUR COUNTRY: CHILD MOLESTERS, RAPISTS, DRUG DEALERS, ETC.
ALL OF THEM LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO SUPPORT THEM BEING HERE. JUST HAND OVER YOUR PAYCHECK TO THEM, THEY’LL BE RUNNING TO THE BANCO OF MEXICO IN TYSONS CORNER TO DEPOSIT IT ALONG WITH THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE SENT BACK TO MEXICO (OR ANY FOREIGN BANK HERE IN THE USA) EVERY YEAR. TAX FREE, WHILE YOUR TAXES SUPPORT THEIR CAUSE.
BTW: IT’S NOT JUST THE MEXICAN ILLEGALS, IT’S PEOPLE FROM ASIA, AFRICA, INDIA AND GENERALLY GLOBAL WHO ENTER OUR COUNRTY. JUST SO YOU KNOW IT’S NOT JUST MEXICAN ILLEGALS IN THIS CONVERSATION I AM SPEAKING ABOUT. IT’S ANYONE HERE IN AMERICA THAT DOES NOT HAVE PROPER DOCUMENATION TO BE HERE. ANYONE WHO HAS NOT RETURNED TO THEIR COUNTRY AFTER THEIR VISA AS EXPIRED AND STAYED HERE. JUST REMEMBER: OTHER COUNTRIES MAKE SURE YOU LEAVE WHEN YOU VISA EXPIRES: HERES THE AIRPORT: TIME TO LEAVE.
December 27th, 2007 at 11:06 am
I missed all the fun again. I would just like to state that those that PLAN to immigrate to another country learn that host country’s language. Just like our ambassadors do. Visiting is one thing. Staying on is another. If you come unprepared that’s your fault. I feel no need to help those who don’t try to acclimate. I find no reason to help ILLEGALS in any way!
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