zimzo,
Missed the point again. And don’t put the “going after the kids for what the parents did” on the table. Point is, this is ONE case and the bleeding hearts helped out. Guess what? Even though the kid went back, he had special help to fight his case to get him here again….ahead of all those waiting to do it legally from the git-go. And with 65,000 nationwide every year, you don’t think that there will be similar intervention? Sounds like a road to amnesty to me.
Nice try zimzo, but don’t even try to twist this as a “racist” thing or that of “poor children”. It is bleeding hearts playing to those of good nature and conscience trying to change the landscape about illegals and there offspring. When the parents are accountable for what they do, sometimes the innocent suffer for it. That’s life!

LAURA V.

WOULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY YOUR STATEMENT: RICH IMMIGRANTS, NEED TO EXPAND ON THAT.

ZIMZO:

HERE YOU GO AGAIN: USING CHILDREN IN THE CHESS GAME.

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, ALIEN OR UNDOCUMENTED PERSON WEITHER IT BE MAN. WOMAN OR CHILD: IF THEY PASS INTO OUR NATION WITH PROPER DOCUMENTS THAN THEY SHOULD RETURN HOME PERIOD.

AS FOR CHILDREN BORN HERE, WELL MEXICO AS A LAW THAT STATES ANY CHILD BORN TO A MEXICAN IS A MEXICAN CITIZEN, NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE BORN, SO FOR ME THEY GO HOME TO.

AS FOR ACTivist: I AGREE, THE PARENTS OF THESE CHILDREN ARE RESPONISIBLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
NOT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND IT’S CITIZENS.

Forgive me if I don’t believe you when you say that you are appalled by law-breaking and unfairness. I am sure there are plenty of laws you have broken or skirted (taxes, marijuana, speeding, etc.) and I will start believing you care about fairness when you start agitating to ban legacy admissions, admissions to students whose parents give large sums of money to schools and sports scholarships to the borderline illiterate. And as Laura V pointed out if you are an immigrant with money who can hire an expensive lawyer suddenly the immigration laws don’t seem so tough.

Finally, I’m not quite sure what you mean by “bleeding heart.” Seems to me Jesus would be a bleeding heart by your definition. But then there don’t seem to be a lot of people on this blog who care about anything Jesus said except for all of those times he denounced gay people and abortion, though I can’t seem to find those quotes in my version of the Bible.

TO G. STONE:

A RING OF TRUTH HERE?

ZIMZO: WHERE ARE YOU HEADED WITH THIS?

STAY PUFT MM

A NOTE IN GENERAL OR TO ONE DIRECTLY?

The young man did exactly what he was supposed to do. He went back to Mexico, he filled out all the necessary papers, he went to the proper authorities, he got his visa after over one year of preparations. He was fortunate to have been supported by people who believed in him enough to help him with their own money to become a legal resident in the USA. He can now work and pay income taxes and with further education, there’s no doubt he’ll be an asset to the country. – Do you remember when a female athlete, who was likely to win an Olympic medal for the US, was given her green card in about 24 hours through some magic moves in Congress. She came in from Canada I believe. (Don’t know whether she got a medal or not).

Marjorie,
Can you change the font on your web browser? Trust me, you will appreciate it and we can stop having to educate the newbies.

Hope you don’t mind.

Marjorie, What Jacob is talking about is at the top of your browser (Firefox) click view, on the drop down list you will see text, run your mouse on it and you will see increase and decrease. You just keep clicking it until you have the font size best for you.

You may prefer it to caps, you can make it very large and if you make it too large, just decrease.

No, Zimzo’s right the kid did nothing against the law, and I’m assuming the school has an elected board of regents who have legal authority to set admission prices and policies. “This is a nation of laws” and in this case none have been broken. Move along.

“Plenty of kids in Maryland or West Virginia, I would imagine, would like the same favor.” Too bad, they’re on the wrong side of the border, why should Virginia’s taxpayers have to pay for other people’s kids? Isn’t that how we roll?

Jacob, is that honestly the only message you get out of Jesus’ teachings, that people should obey the law and be contrite if they break the law? That’s a pretty narrow and unique view of Jesus’ teachings. And since when is breaking man’s law considered a sin? Can you please point me to the passage in the Bible where Jesus tells people they must “repent” of “continuing to break” man’s law? Again I seem to be missing that passage in my version of the Bible. It’s fascinating to me how the Bible seems to say whatever you want it to say. I think you must have a magic Bible.

And besides, no laws were broken here.

Meanwhile, Joe seems to think that someone who was born in another country but whose immigration status is perfectly legal should have fewer rights than someone whose parents were born here. That is what you’re saying, isn’t it, Joe? Many illegal immigrants do pay payroll taxes and virtually all of them pay sales and property taxes. Even those with fake Social Security numbers still pay money into Social Security that they will never get back. Others have legitimate Taxpayer ID numbers that function like Social Security numbers.

And yet, Joe, you still seem to think that even though this kid obeyed the law and pays taxes and is a resident of Virginia that he should still have fewer rights than someone out of state apparently just because he’s a “foreigner” in your eyes.

As I said, this whole discussion has been very revealing about the real agenda behind your anti-immigration activism. It isn’t really broken laws or fairness you care about. You guys just don’t like “foreigners.”

The law was broken by the parents and the child is a ward of same said. That the child went back and did it right is a good thing. In the meantime he spent however long in this country knowing that he was illegal and dreding the day he would lose the “refuge” of public education.

Let’s do some basic math. We’ll say nationally that the average student cost per year in public school is $12,000 dollars. Whether you have kids or not, EVERYONE pays for public school thru mostly property taxes.

You have 10 people living in a rented house. 4 of those people are school aged kids. The rent for the mortgage is $1500 dollars. The house is assessed at $350,000 dollars. Here’s the cool part. The more people living in the house, the less your share of the rent to contribute. The assessment only gets paid by the OWNER and if he charges more than the mortgage that is due he gets to make money. Good capitalism.

Now the county only charges taxes on the house-not the people inside. County automatically loses money on this deal. Those same said rentors also tag their vehicles in another state so as to not pay personnal property taxes. Another savings for them and loss for the county. Some of the rentors are illegals with fake SSN’s. Now, in their own country, they were making, say, $20 a day. Here they make $10 an hour. They have to pay SS which is what, 6.5% or .65 cents per hour that they don’t get back? Okay, fair enough. Let’s see who makes out.

Illegal= 8 hrs. x $10 = $80 bucks – SS ($5.20)=$74.80 before other taxes. That would have been over a quarter of his daily pay back home. Think he is crying the blues?

Personnal property tax paid=0

Education for each child=$12,000.

What a wonderful country. And to think that there are people out there that think this behavior is okay and acceptable. The world is upside-down. Kaine was wrong. I think the number of pure certifiables are much greater than we think!

And puff, your reasoning is way off. This came up because the planets were aligned correctly at the exact moment I thought about it.

all renters pay property tax, it’s included in the rent. property tax is the basis for most school funding.

Also, keep in mind that that $74.8 you came up with isn’t just disappearing from the economy. Maybe a portion is sent to their country of origin, but they use most of it to buy food, gas, a car, a computer, shrubbery. The more active consumers in the economy, the more opportunity for doing business with them, and by extension, the more opportunity for creating new jobs. There are what, 13 million undocumented people? What if 1 in 10 of them buys a computer from dell, or a ford, or a hamburger from mcdonalds? These are American companies… think about it.

anyway, they’ve conducted studies of how must is paid in and how much is taken out by undocumented people, and have come up with different results. Some show that they get slightly more than they pay in, some show that they pay in significantly more on average than they use in social services.

ultimately, the economic argument has never really held up, which is why the anti-immigration people must invariably resort to the “this is a nation of laws” argument. Fair enough, but if you’ve got a problem with this kid, it’s because you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too, as it were

Again, Jacob, it is remarkable that you can miss so much of what Jesus actually said, such as his teachings about compassion for the poor and disenfranchised and you always have to go to Paul to prove your narrow stingy view of Christianity.

We have already had a long discussion about the two passages you pointed out, the former referring specifically to the paying of taxes and the latter an extremely controversial passage from, of course, Paul that taken at face value would mean that the American revolution and the Civil Rights movement were un-Christian. I think most of us agreed that we didn’t really want to go there.

And, no, the kid returned to his home country and applied for a visa legally so no laws were broken although his parents might have broken the law when they first brought him here when he was a minor.

So you try again.

Jacob, is the United States governing through God’s authority now? So what are we voting for? Does H-e need help making up His mind?

(I’m guessing you already have a well thought-out answer to the above question)

“Give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s…” is typically interpreted as referring specifically to tax collection. It isn’t a fundamentalist thing. In fact, it’s the only interpretation I’ve ever heard from anyone other than you. It’s hard to imagine it referring to anything else. The passage suggests that people should “pay their dues” (so to speak) to God in the same way that they pay taxes to Caesar. If Jesus’ intent was to simply insist that people obey the law of the land, he chose an odd way of working it… God as a tax-and-spend liberal??

…out of curiosity, what’s the biblical justification for the claim that, “If a government is engaged in activity that is directly at odds with God’s law then we are free to rebel or protest.”

Joe, please make ACTivist the spokesman for Help Save Loudoun.

yay! …but I’m a bit surprised that you haven’t already hashed out this connection between god’s will and the democratic process.

puft,

My point is not that economic growth is not good, but that the cart was before the horse. The need was created by those that came here illegally looking for work. Had there been a true (not fabricated) need for additional help, it would have been done locally and then thru programs that exists.

Did you not understand the “paying taxes” example? It’s like stealing at a department store. When the owner looses merchandise thru theft, he compensates by making all customers pay higher prices to offset that loss. Same with county taxes. More people per house, less money coming in for taxes.

“and I would say that that’s an increasingly foolish position to take on that issue”

On global warming, you show me 6 scientists that believe, I show you 6 that don’t. In whom does the credibility lie? Same with the economic arguement. Foolish is just dismissing something totally without knowing the facts.