Why don’t you tell us first how you are going to deport all the illegal immigrants who are already here?

Zimzo:
What did I tell you ? Back away from the baggy, put the Twinkies and Doritos back and pay attention.

We are not going to round up 12 million illegals with the exception of those who are wanted for crimes. They like other criminals will be pursued and locked up. After that they are deported.

As for the rank and file illegal migrants, we will simply create an environment in which they say to themselves, hey this aint all it’s cracked up to be, I think I will go home now. These Americans are actually enforcing the law. They might start thinking, hey wait a minute, you didn’t say anything about playing by the rules. This was a sweet deal when there were two sets of rules, but now all of these obstructions, laws and rules are too much like being a citizen. I am out of here, this is no longer a deal. Rules? I don’t need no stinkin rules,pack the Toyota Tacoma we are heading south. I migrated here, my ass can migrate back the other direction just as easy.

Now will all of them go home, of course not. Like any population those here illegally have their fair share of knuckleheads. Those knuckleheads bucking the trend to hit the high road back home should be deported.

Yeah, let a Illegal Alien from a Third World Country kiss and slobber all over your baby and children while babysitting.

People who hire Illegals to babysit their children should be charged with Child Endangerment.” Any parent who would let someone from a Third World Country who crawled over the border in the middle of the night who they have no idea who that person is and no way to check them out.

And almost everyone from these third world countries has never had a shot in their life in addition to being exposed to or carry some of the worst diseases in the world.

Finally, most speak no English and have no idea what to do in case of a emergency.

Disgusting, Anything to save a buck.

ZIMZO,
HEY ZIMZO, ANSWER THE QUESTION,

BTW, question for you: what are YOU willing to personally give up to keep all your “un-documented immigrants here in the united states?

who’s giving anything up?

http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/14/what-did-you-expect/#comment-1081

I have to agree with Stay Puft, Had Enough’s comment represented a new low in bigotry at this site, though it did serve to reveal once again the real agenda behind anti-immigration activism. And of course Joe won’t distance himself from this bigotry just as he refused to distance himself from Jack referring to Arabs as ragheads and Jacob referring to Italians as whops because he needs these kinds of people to populate his crusade against immigrants. By making this kind of deal with the devil, Joe, you have nothing to lose but your soul.

Zimzo tries yet again to achieve a higher state of sanctimony. I for one continue to cheer him on.

Not that “zimzo” and “humor” have anything remotely to do with each other, but I would like to explain that our Jacob is himself of an ethnic heritage that historically has been on the receiving end of frequent epithets, so if you know him you know there is a tongue in cheek aspect to the comment. I admit this does not come across in the pseudonym.

But I really, truly cannot remember the last time I heard of an Italian take offense at the word “wop” because it is such an archaism, much like if someone called me a “polack” I would not bat an eye. So I think Zimzo is reaching too far with that particular point of the lecture.

As all of our readers know, as a matter of strict policy here I will NEVER distance myself from any remark Zimzo has suggested I distance myself from. It’s practically a law of nature.

Had Enough,

Not only did you show the world your true colors, you also opened up the door for me to say this: The plan to provide a pathway to legal residency would require that they get properly vaccinated — this is already in place for current immigration applicants.

So, to those who are frustrated about Americans being free to conduct business in Spanish, how many of you have invested a significant amount of time teaching ESL?

Thank you Jacob.

As for you Zimzo,

You are one of these persons who cries wolf for
The UN –DOCUMENTED immigrants,

Just remember to those you so strongly support will One day take what you own and laugh all the way, leaving you standing there going
” BUT I SUPPORTED YOU”

Then again, you won’t see it coming either.

Laura V:

The way medical care is in third world countries
there is not enough dr’s to go around. the un-documented-immigrants crossing our borders either have have no idea they have a disease or they could care less.

This is what worries me. We here in america have taken great care to see we do not have infectious diseases spread here, yes we are worried about planes, trains and so forth.

however the person coming into our country spreads their disease to unknown people here, leading to more and more cases. The media expands on this issue and sends panic to a certian extent, yet there is truth in what they say.

foreigners coming to america are not screened
for diseases, as they should be. Other foreign countries do this and we should have started that along time ago. If you think this is not true, go ahead and look up immigration entry rules for any said country, ck into india, middle east and so forth.

How about if we inject some facts into this discussion:

Mexico more effective than U.S. at immunizing children
Mexico’s paternalistic approach has led to a 96% vaccination rate for children ages 1 to 4, compared with 79% of American 2-year-olds.
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/December2002/MexicoMore22.htm

It’s amazing how much ignorance there is on the anti-immigrant activist side of the debate.

Jacob,

Happy New Year!!! I was referring to my brilliant post found here:
http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/14/what-did-you-expect/#comment-1081

Marjorie, if that’s really your name:

Funny you should bring up lack of doctors in low-income countries. A big factor in this is that the US and Europe import doctors from these countries. They’re glad to come because they get so much more money here (sound famalier?) Somehow they get moved to the front of the line, even though other people have been waiting for years… See “physician brain drain”

It hits the countries of origin hard becasue education is often heavily subsidized. Tax dollars are used to train the doctors and once they graduate they’re recruited to practice in a developed country. So we’re getting a free ride off the tax dollars of low income countries. Imagine that.

Nevertheless, the Mexican parliament has recently passed law to commit to spending a certain percent of the GDP on institutionalizing universal coverage. This consists of a regionalized system of hospitals and clinics, screening programs, vaccinations, and drug benefits. So if you’re living in rural Mexico there’s a system in place to help you access medical care to help you stay healthy and reduce the spread of diseases. Unfortunatly we can’t say the same for someone living in, say, Appalachia

I never said you were all “gay hating, immigrant hating, liberal hating, gun loving, racists, uncompassionate right-wing christian nutjob dirtballs” and I eagerly await evidence to the contrary. I also never said that my wife was ugly or even that I have a wife. Apparently, since you can’t refute the facts I presented, you think insulting me personally is the only recourse you have.

zimzo,

Read what you have said on this tread alone. You do and have stated every one of those things. Your wife statement is now lost on the other site. I believe Jack can attest to that statement being made and you were even using it as an example.

As far as insulting you being my only recourse, wrong. I do that as sheer pleasure for myself. It may be wrong of me but I feel it fitting.

Pufster;

First,you should never use the words my and brilliant in the same sentence. It simply can’t happen. Hell will freeze over first.

Second, you question Marjorie’s use of Marjorie as her real name. So what is your real name ?
Does your birth certificate really say, Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.? Did your mom call you Puffy for short?

I can here her now, Puffy its time for dinner.
You scramble off to moms call as your friends chuckle behind your back wondering why any parent would be so cruel as too name thier child after one of the ingredients in a smor.

Hang in there Puffy.

the issue here is a specific instance in which someone’s comment is blatantly out of line.

focusing on zimzo’s past use of the word “bigot” is a diversion. Does anyone here care to argue that the post by “had enough” does not express a bigoted attitude?

zimzo,
“And for the record I have not said anyone here is a racist. I have on occasion pointed out when someone’s rhetoric sounded racist”
With all respect, that is a distinction without much of a difference. Having been on the receiving end of this distinction I am willing to accept it, but lets try cooling it in this regard for a while.

Yeah, Jacob, what about the comment in question, comment #9 in this thread?

Maybe I can clear something up for our visitors. You see, there is a significant strand of modern liberal thought which is deeply vested in the notion that white America is inexorably racist. The only way this condition can be cured, the theory goes, is through major structural reforms.

As most of us know, the whole “major structural reform” concept is a dear one to the left, particularly if it mitigates against anything that might be considered remotely “traditional” about our nation and our culture.

You know, our horrible, patriarchical society where sex is deeply repressed (funny how people have kept getting themselves reproduced, though!), our values such as personal self-sufficiency and personal responsibility are unfair, and where the whole dirty thing was basically born out of the sin of slavery.

For a number of reasons, many of those on the left are invested in this interpretation of reality. This is why our friends like Zimzo see bigots behind every tree. And in a sense, this is true, because in that reality being white means you are likely a bigot unless you are a leftist like Zimzo (although, as we have seen, Zimzo has had serious problems overcoming his own original sin in this regard.)

In fairness, we do need to allow that many “liberals” – whom I do not equate with “leftists,” which I might delve into further in another post – simply have not thought this one through. They are TAUGHT that whites are by nature bigots, and it may take time for them to overcome this cultural “bad parenting.”

Since our cherished yet ultimately misguided resident liberals are clamoring for someone, ANYONE to respond to post #9: Your eagerness touches me, so this time I will tell you what I think:

I think H.E. is seriously pissed off, but from all of his or her previous posts over the past two years I do not think the person is a racist at all. They demonstrate a fair amount of worldliness and have indicated they live in a multi-ethnic neighborhood – either Sterling or Manassas. I can tell you that both of these areas have been heavily Hispanic for a long time, but the you-know-what has only hit the fan in the past 7 years.

H.E. has in fact agreed with the thesis that illegal immigration has its worst impact on black Americans. I don’t see this individual shying away from brown or black people in the supermarket check out line.

The gist of H.E.’s axe to grind seems to me to be not a problem with who or what “they” are, but with what they DO – i.e. not demonstrating a willingness to play by the rules, jump through the proper hoops, and in general take the necessary steps to become American.

I have written about this phenomenon that migrant workers are akin to “renters” writ large in the context of our culture: They have no investment in it, and do not intend to become part of it, and therefore create their own enclaves.

(I know Zimzo argues that the lessons of 1908 should guide our policies today. I strongly disagree, but that is an argument for another post.)

I get the sense that H.E. has some direct experience with the subculture of illegal domestic employment. He or she has spoken with apparent personal knowledge about conditions in the public schools and social services agencies. If H.E. lives in one of the areas of Manassas with higher population of illegals, it does not surprise me that his or her rants might occasionally take on a tribal tone because I have heard the same thing from many other longtime residents who would not otherwise be classified as racist in the least.

I fall on the side of libertarianism when speech is involved, as you all know, and I think our nation is raising a generation (or two) of crybabies, so even though they were characterizations I would not use, I would not call H.E. a bigot. I’d just say H.E. is ranting, so deal with it.

But it is a fascinating topic how speech is interpreted nowadays when so many otherwise intelligent people are wearing bigot-seeking goggles, so thanks for asking.

[This is getting a bit long so we will go ahead and turn it into a new post]

I just noticed that I made the front page of Joe’s blog. This is to address his statement: I prefer solutions that will not have a substantial negative impact on our economy. I believe that a substantial number of undocumented immigrants are homeowners in Northern Virginia — and causing them to sell their houses would have a devastating effect on our already fragile real estate market.

Your approach is to scare away the otherwise honest undocumented immigrants, in order to have a more manageable pool for deportation. My goal is to keep the otherwise honest undocumented immigrants, in order to have a more manageable pool for deportation.

There really isn’t much difference between our approaches to this problem. However, I think your approach is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I understand that your approach is based on fairness, and tracking who got in line first, etc. In principle, that’s a good approach, but in reality we would pay a high price just to make things “fair.” I’m not willing to pay the high price of damaging our economy in the name of fairness.

Additionally, just to be clear — I do support securing our borders, with emphasis on the southern border. I believe that some things can and should be done to revamp the issuance of US non-immigrant visas, in order to decrease noncompliance. We also need to re-assess the number of immigrants we allow into our country with respect to the demand for unskilled labor. Also, I believe that once we have dealt with these issues, the next step would be to implement an effective employment eligibility verification system, and penalize employers that hire people without properly verifying their status.

Billy:
At one point in our nations history the presence of organized crime brought a certain amount of economic activity and some might say stability to certain areas, regions or neighborhoods. When our society chose to confront that illegal activity there were some short term economic disruptions. Those market disruptions were dealt with as the invisible hand of the market filled the voids left by those illegally occuping that space and whose existence effected said markets.

Markets will ultimately react in a positve manner, grow and prosper within a setting in which the rule of law and fundemental fairness prevail.