Comments on: Rainbow Coalition Dissolves With Rising Illegal Immigraton http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/ NOVA TownHall Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:55:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: laurav http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1639 laurav Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:57:38 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1639 Either way G. Stone, you made a good case against the article. Either way G. Stone, you made a good case against the article.

]]> By: stay puft marshmallow man http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1636 stay puft marshmallow man Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:26:21 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1636 typical Jacob typical Jacob

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1632 jacob Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:26:42 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1632 Marshmallow, Actually I think he came to that conclusion a long time ago, based om multiple instances of feeling of logic. Laura's observation simply tripped a memory. I think you are extrapolating boldy at this point as well. Marshmallow,
Actually I think he came to that conclusion a long time ago, based om multiple instances of feeling of logic. Laura’s observation simply tripped a memory. I think you are extrapolating boldy at this point as well.

]]> By: stay puft marshmallow man http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1629 stay puft marshmallow man Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:04:03 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1629 way to go! you took one word from one comment on one blog and derived, "Liberals make their choices based on feelings, conservatives by thinking" typical Jack, basing arguments on grand generalizations! way to go! you took one word from one comment on one blog and derived, “Liberals make their choices based on feelings, conservatives by thinking”

typical Jack, basing arguments on grand generalizations!

]]> By: G. Stone http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1627 G. Stone Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:56:13 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1627 Laura: I was speaking to the study introduced by zimzo in which he (it) was comparing apples to oranges. The point being that often those in favor of apples bring in studies or data pertaining to oranges in an attempt to justify their position. Laura:
I was speaking to the study introduced by zimzo in which he (it) was comparing apples to oranges.
The point being that often those in favor of apples bring in studies or data pertaining to oranges in an attempt to justify their position.

]]> By: laurav http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1626 laurav Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:39:28 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1626 Well, your not gonna hear me say that we should increase the flow of illegal immigration! Well, your not gonna hear me say that we should increase the flow of illegal immigration!

]]> By: Jack http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1625 Jack Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:34:21 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1625 "Jack - perceptions can indeed be hard to overcome but that is no reason to throw in the towel and abandon facts." I entirely agree. Do not dismiss the evidence that illegal immigration reduces wages for unskilled labor, just because some study find no such result of LEGAL immigration. Even Adam Smith wrote that an influx of unskilled worked reduced the wages of those workers. “Jack - perceptions can indeed be hard to overcome but that is no reason to throw in the towel and abandon facts.”

I entirely agree. Do not dismiss the evidence that illegal immigration reduces wages for unskilled labor, just because some study find no such result of LEGAL immigration. Even Adam Smith wrote that an influx of unskilled worked reduced the wages of those workers.

]]> By: Laura V http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1624 Laura V Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:26:07 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1624 The Manhattan Institue has an excerpt from what looked to be a really interesting discussion on immigration in the US: http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cb_50.htm It highlights the difficulties in even discussing the issue, which are clearly apparent here. The Manhattan Institue has an excerpt from what looked to be a really interesting discussion on immigration in the US:

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cb_50.htm

It highlights the difficulties in even discussing the issue, which are clearly apparent here.

]]> By: Laura V http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1623 Laura V Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:13:17 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1623 "The dishonest use of data is propaganda. It serves no good purpose other than too further an aggenda through the use misinformation." In what way has this data been misused? I would say that in this article the almost exclusive use of "perceptions" and gross generalizations, tempered only by a couple of studies to which no reference is provided, not even a proper title (could anyone find one for me please?) truly serves no other purpose than to advance an agenda through the use of misinformation. Jack - perceptions can indeed be hard to overcome but that is no reason to throw in the towel and abandon facts. “The dishonest use of data is propaganda. It serves no good purpose other than too further an aggenda through the use misinformation.” In what way has this data been misused?
I would say that in this article the almost exclusive use of “perceptions” and gross generalizations, tempered only by a couple of studies to which no reference is provided, not even a proper title (could anyone find one for me please?) truly serves no other purpose than to advance an agenda through the use of misinformation.
Jack - perceptions can indeed be hard to overcome but that is no reason to throw in the towel and abandon facts.

]]> By: Laura V http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1621 Laura V Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:52:43 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1621 G Stone- your position is not simple. It is amazingly both convoluted and inane. "The study cited by Zimzo is probably solid information. It is also irrelevant." It is irrelevant to you perhaps, but it is ceratinly not irrelvant to the original post given that the article Joe has provided does exactly what you describe, "Combining these two seperate groups as one for the purpose of political discussion is not only misleading but an absolute waste of time" Thanks for helping to further my point which is that the article blurs legal and illegal immigration in an attempt to further a specific agenda. G Stone- your position is not simple. It is amazingly both convoluted and inane.
“The study cited by Zimzo is probably solid information. It is also irrelevant.” It is irrelevant to you perhaps, but it is ceratinly not irrelvant to the original post given that the article Joe has provided does exactly what you describe, “Combining these two seperate groups as one for the purpose of political discussion is not only misleading but an absolute waste of time”
Thanks for helping to further my point which is that the article blurs legal and illegal immigration in an attempt to further a specific agenda.

]]> By: Laura V http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1620 Laura V Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:42:34 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1620 10 ft, that was lame. It wasn't even funny. 10 ft, that was lame. It wasn’t even funny.

]]> By: kevin http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1603 kevin Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:37:39 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1603 "Haven’t we become quite the wiseacre!" become? Oh you wait, brother, I'm just getting started. . . “Haven’t we become quite the wiseacre!”

become? Oh you wait, brother, I’m just getting started. . .

]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1601 Joe Budzinski Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:50:38 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1601 You are priceless, oh bulletproof one. You are priceless, oh bulletproof one.

]]> By: 10 feet tall and Bulletproof http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1600 10 feet tall and Bulletproof Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:47:17 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1600 When the illegals came for the blacks, I remained silent; I was not a black. When they locked up the orientals, I remained silent; I was not an oriental. When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out. When the illegals came for the blacks,
I remained silent;
I was not a black.

When they locked up the orientals,
I remained silent;
I was not an oriental.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1592 Joe Budzinski Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:59:18 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/01/23/rainbow-coalition-dissolves-with-rising-illegal-immigraton/#comment-1592 Haven't we become quite the wiseacre! Haven’t we become quite the wiseacre!

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