Comments on: Control http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/ NOVA TownHall Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:17:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Jack http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3051 Jack Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:47:09 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3051 The term "fascist" comes from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_symbolism" rel="nofollow">fasces</a>. The term “fascist” comes from fasces.

]]> By: Stay Puft Marshmallow Man http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3050 Stay Puft Marshmallow Man Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:50:59 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3050 It's been engineered in Fascist regimes I can think of. Italy and Germany. They were all about the "social darwinism" and spent all kinds of time coming up with racial stratifications that put western europeans on the top rung, and justified using the "lesser" groups or whatever they called them as expendable slave labor. The term Fascist comes from ancient Rome, they had a stratified, top-down sort of society. and think of the Pyramid imagery in Egypt. It’s been engineered in Fascist regimes I can think of. Italy and Germany. They were all about the “social darwinism” and spent all kinds of time coming up with racial stratifications that put western europeans on the top rung, and justified using the “lesser” groups or whatever they called them as expendable slave labor. The term Fascist comes from ancient Rome, they had a stratified, top-down sort of society. and think of the Pyramid imagery in Egypt.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3030 jacob Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:14:48 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3030 Eric, "Do you really seriously wish to suggest that our court system is even close to the equivalent of the “courts” of WWII Germany?" No, you just made what I considered to be a careless statement. Courts can be fascist in nature, there is nothing intrinsic about a court that shields it from taken on the ideology. Eric,
“Do you really seriously wish to suggest that our court system is even close to the equivalent of the “courts” of WWII Germany?”
No, you just made what I considered to be a careless statement. Courts can be fascist in nature, there is nothing intrinsic about a court that shields it from taken on the ideology.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3029 jacob Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:12:54 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3029 Marshmallow, "i think there’s a hierarchal aspect of fascism" interesting, that is probably true, but is that just human nature us v. then, or is it explicit to the idealogy? "I think in this list you’re using fascist and totalitarian interchangeably." Am I? Or are you extrapolating what I wrote above to vigorously? " A fascist regime is about an ideology that justifies a social hierarchy"" That does appear to be your take on it, as you wrote above, again is that outcome engineered, or stumbled into? Marshmallow,
“i think there’s a hierarchal aspect of fascism”
interesting, that is probably true, but is that just human nature us v. then, or is it explicit to the idealogy?

“I think in this list you’re using fascist and totalitarian interchangeably.”
Am I? Or are you extrapolating what I wrote above to vigorously?

” A fascist regime is about an ideology that justifies a social hierarchy”"
That does appear to be your take on it, as you wrote above, again is that outcome engineered, or stumbled into?

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3028 jacob Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:07:34 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3028 zimzo, "Why do you automatically assume all “left-leaning” people would support the items you list. I’m against most of the items on your list, so there" actually I had no one in mind. I feel that there is a lot of misunderstanding as to what facism really is. Even the dictionary definition provided by SPMM does not really get it. You are making assumptions here, not born out by the words in the post. zimzo,

“Why do you automatically assume all “left-leaning” people would support the items you list. I’m against most of the items on your list, so there”
actually I had no one in mind. I feel that there is a lot of misunderstanding as to what facism really is. Even the dictionary definition provided by SPMM does not really get it. You are making assumptions here, not born out by the words in the post.

]]> By: ACTivist http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3027 ACTivist Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:02:22 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3027 Troll, The idea of being taken to court for refusing to do a service is ludicrous! Kinda like a detailing business that only does cars worth over a hundred grand and you bring in your Toyota Camry. It’s okay to refuse you because I don’t want to spend my time on your garbage. Also, when Congress enacts laws and the court system blatantly subverts or ignores them, is that the kind of system you were referring to? Troll,

The idea of being taken to court for refusing to do a service is ludicrous! Kinda like a detailing business that only does cars worth over a hundred grand and you bring in your Toyota Camry. It’s okay to refuse you because I don’t want to spend my time on your garbage.

Also, when Congress enacts laws and the court system blatantly subverts or ignores them, is that the kind of system you were referring to?

]]> By: Eric the 1/2 troll http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3026 Eric the 1/2 troll Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:57:54 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3026 Jacob, Do you really seriously wish to suggest that our court system is even close to the equivalent of the "courts" of WWII Germany? Again, you all have so little faith in the US Constitution and the system our founders put in place - cue the hysterical paranoia... Jacob,

Do you really seriously wish to suggest that our court system is even close to the equivalent of the “courts” of WWII Germany? Again, you all have so little faith in the US Constitution and the system our founders put in place - cue the hysterical paranoia…

]]> By: Stay Puft Marshmallow Man http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3016 Stay Puft Marshmallow Man Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:36:37 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3016 i think there's a hierarchal aspect of fascism. There's the feurer or duce or pharaoh at the top, who enjoys all the privileges of the society, on down to an "inferior" class of slaves of some sort. There's some sort of "social darwin" idea that justifies the higher-ups having more privileges, etc. I think in this list you're using fascist and totalitarian interchangeably. A fascist regime is about an ideology that justifies a social hierarchy. A totalitarian regime is all about control. I think the items on your list are moving toward the totalitarian side of things, but not toward fascism. that's what the republican agenda does. :) i think there’s a hierarchal aspect of fascism. There’s the feurer or duce or pharaoh at the top, who enjoys all the privileges of the society, on down to an “inferior” class of slaves of some sort. There’s some sort of “social darwin” idea that justifies the higher-ups having more privileges, etc.

I think in this list you’re using fascist and totalitarian interchangeably. A fascist regime is about an ideology that justifies a social hierarchy. A totalitarian regime is all about control. I think the items on your list are moving toward the totalitarian side of things, but not toward fascism. that’s what the republican agenda does. :)

]]> By: zimzo http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3013 zimzo Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:40:14 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3013 Why do you automatically assume all "left-leaning" people would support the items you list. I'm against most of the items on your list, so there. As someone pointed out you also left out government regulation of drugs. And you left out interference in people's sex lives (though I suspect you think that's OK). Or how about attempts to censor the Internet and other media? What your list mostly proves is how silly it is to assume that everything you are against is necessarily the fault of people on the left. There are plenty of people on the right who want to take away people's liberty. Why do you automatically assume all “left-leaning” people would support the items you list. I’m against most of the items on your list, so there. As someone pointed out you also left out government regulation of drugs. And you left out interference in people’s sex lives (though I suspect you think that’s OK). Or how about attempts to censor the Internet and other media? What your list mostly proves is how silly it is to assume that everything you are against is necessarily the fault of people on the left. There are plenty of people on the right who want to take away people’s liberty.

]]> By: Stay Puft Marshmallow Man http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3005 Stay Puft Marshmallow Man Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:25:33 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-3005 webster's webster’s

]]> By: Cathymac http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2992 Cathymac Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:12:15 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2992 Joe - I disagree on #4. It takes all responsibility away from the consumer. People claim ignorance at all levels of consumerism and our courts are swamped with suits taking retailers, food providers and service providers to task over utter nonsense. The average person can handle an occasional Big Mac. If someone weighs 500 pounds and sues McD's over the calorie and fat content - and wins - look out for gov't cheese. You'll get a hunk of fat free mozarella with your red wine. Joe - I disagree on #4. It takes all responsibility away from the consumer. People claim ignorance at all levels of consumerism and our courts are swamped with suits taking retailers, food providers and service providers to task over utter nonsense.

The average person can handle an occasional Big Mac. If someone weighs 500 pounds and sues McD’s over the calorie and fat content - and wins - look out for gov’t cheese. You’ll get a hunk of fat free mozarella with your red wine.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2990 jacob Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:41:28 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2990 Eric, utter blather. the courts in Germany where used to rubber stamp the rabid antisemitism of the Nuremberg laws. Eric,
utter blather. the courts in Germany where used to rubber stamp the rabid antisemitism of the Nuremberg laws.

]]> By: jack http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2989 jack Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:34:55 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2989 Sorry, Troll, but to what does "that" refer? Sorry, Troll, but to what does “that” refer?

]]> By: Eric the 1/2 troll http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2988 Eric the 1/2 troll Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:18:47 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2988 Care to substantiate that? I am just saying that seeing as how the judiciary system is in part a check on the legislative and administrative branches, it does not follow that having your case heard in court is in keeping with a "fascist" philosophy. Care to substantiate that?

I am just saying that seeing as how the judiciary system is in part a check on the legislative and administrative branches, it does not follow that having your case heard in court is in keeping with a “fascist” philosophy.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2985 jacob Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:05:14 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/02/27/control/#comment-2985 All, Is government outlawing suicide 'fascist'? All,
Is government outlawing suicide ‘fascist’?

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