Destroying Our Health Care
March 7th, 2008 by joe
[The following is a guest column by Nan Matthis of American Daughter]
by Nancy Matthis at ADMC
Our hospitals are compelled by law to treat illegal immigrants in their emergency rooms without charge. One after another, they are going bankrupt and closing their doors. Here is one example.
The Muhlenberg Regional Medical Center in Plainfield, New Jersey is a state-of-the-art facility with comprehensive coverage of diverse medical disciplines. It is the sort of resource that communities dream of having available for their emergencies as well as routine care. In addition to their many community wellness programs, they host New Jersey’s premier cancer center.
Muhlenberg Regional Medical Center is a 396-bed acute care facility that provides inpatient and outpatient services in all major medical specialties. Other specialized services include a complete array of cardiac services (including emergency angioplasty), a Bariatric Surgery Center, Vein Center, Lithotripsy Center,Wound Care Center, hemodialysis, home care, hospice and adult medical day care….
The Regional Cancer Center is committed to providing high quality care for people with cancer. The Center offers all the services needed to effectively identify and treat cancer, including state-of-the-art diagnostic equipment, surgery, medical oncology, neuro-oncology, radiation therapy, investigational trials, stereotactic radiosurgery (Gamma Knife), nursing care, counseling, nutritional support, discharge planning, outpatient services and hospice care.
But soon the Muhlenberg community safety net will be gone. The New Jersey Star Ledger reports:
Muhlenberg Regional Medical Center shutting its doors
Faced with mounting deficits caused mainly by insufficient state aid to cover all its uninsured patients, officials at Muhlenberg Regional Medical Center in Plainfield plan to close the 130-year-old facility later this year….programs and services will be phased out during a “wind down” period before Muhlenberg finally stops admitting patients….
The decision to close the 396-bed Plainfield hospital was a “last resort” after an attempt to find a buyer failed, said John P. McGee, president and CEO of Solaris Health System, which owns the hospital. Muhlenberg, which also has 1,100 employees and 350 affiliated physicians, was put up for sale last November. Officials say they reached out to more than 60 potential buyers.
McGee said one reason for the lack of interest is economics: Muhlenberg will likely show a loss of $18 million for 2007.
The hospital - whose emer gency room treats 35,000 patients a year - doled out some $15.4 million in uncompensated care last year, but received only $6.2 million from the state in charity care funding, spokesman Steven Weiss said.
Muhlenberg has also been treating a growing number of uninsured patients as well as undocumented patients, most of whom are not insured and do not qualify for charity care….
The data: $15.4 million uncompensated care | $6.2 million state reimbursment
The dilemma: Community loses health care facility | Taxpayers fund health care for aliens
We are caught in a vicious downward spiral. The liberals have allowed an estimated 20 million illegal aliens to invade our country, in the hopes of gaining a large voting bloc through amnesty. Those undocumented and uninsured individuals are destroying our health care systems economically. Once the health care is degraded, the liberals will use that fact as an argument to socialize medicine, which will reduce all health care to the lowest possible denominator.
Hat tip: Gayle Kesselman, New Jersey Citizens for Immigration Control
This has been a production of the Guard The Borders Blogburst.
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March 9th, 2008 at 3:10 am
the main reason cited in the article for the hospital’s deficit is uninsured patients.
“Muhlenberg has also been treating a growing number of uninsured patients as well as undocumented patients, most of whom are not insured and do not qualify for charity care”
that $15.4 million wasn’t solely for care for undocumented people. Implying that it was is disingenuous.
My guess is that 6 million reimbursement is probably for services that are covered under the state’s medicaid or schip programs. If NJ does have a some “charity care reimbursement” program, the hospital still can’t expect to be reimbursed for for 100% of their charity care (hence the “charity”). All hospitals provide charity care. It’s part of the territory. This is covered by revenues from other services or charitable donations.
Why should the hospital have to rely on funds from the government anyway? Under Bush, taxes to the wealthiest people in the country have been cut by insane amounts. If they want to see this facility stay open, they have a duty to increase their charitable donations. Isn’t that part of the point of the tax cuts? That rich people, not the government, are better at determining how society’s resources should be allocated? So, the wealthy in the area have spoken with their donations, and what they’ve said is that charity care isn’t a valuable enough service. So the hospital will close. So be it, that’s the price of freedom, isn’t it?
May 7th, 2008 at 1:15 am
My Lord, are Americans really so unempowered that they cannot put a stop to the raiding of their taxes by foreign nationals with the help of treasonous bought off by corporations– politicians. These corporations are getting corporate welfare. They should have to pay for the medical costs of the illegal aliens they support, illegally. Americans are losing the culture, their language and their whole way of life–because We are allowing it. Period. No one feels sorry for people who are so stupid. Cry me a river, is what all these corrupt politicians think, when they witness the vast apathy of the American Citizenry every single day.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:56 am
One of the biggest problems with US health care is that it is far too expensive: one reason for this is that it is very difficult to immigrate as a doctor. It’s ironic that patients who are illegal immigrants can be treated for free, but the doctors needed to prop the system up aren’t allowed in.
May 7th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Sadly, I think the only course of action is to commence to bashing illegals when you find them in small numbers, at night, until they get the message that they’re neither wanted nor welcome.
May 7th, 2008 at 3:05 am
You should see the situation in Texas. It makes you want to just sit down and cry. Also, it’s not just liberals. Employers of both stripes want cheap labor and not to have to provide ANY benefits. So many well paying construction jobs with benefits have been WIPED OUT because of the illegal foreign invaders. The elite corporatists are forcing the CITIZENS to pay for their illegal employees’ benefits (food, education, medical bills) via our taxes. Corporations get many tax breaks.
CORPORATIONS + GOVERNMENT = FACISM
Our bought off whore “representatives” are traitors.
May 7th, 2008 at 5:16 am
LETS START the REVOLUTION NOW!
YOU CANT SPEAK ENGLISH YOU GET SHOT! PERIOD!
END OF DISCUSSION!
REVOLUTION NOW!
May 7th, 2008 at 5:46 am
ONE MORE THING
LIKE ANY REVOLUTION ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL WILL BE SHOT ON SITE
I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY WHINING ABOUT
“IT WASNT MEAN, IT WASNT ME” SORRY THIS IS
HOUSECLEANING TIME, YOU HOLD A POSITION
YOURE A TRAITOR..UNTIL THIS CLEANSING IS OVER
YOU BEST RESIGN AND HIDE UNTIL ITS OVER OR YOULL GET SHOT AND THERE WILL BE PILES OF WHORE POLITICIANS BURNING IN the STREETS!
THIS IS HOW WE TAKE AMERICA BACK!
THE GOOD OLD FASHION WAY! BULLET TO YOUR HEAD
GET the HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY WAY!
May 7th, 2008 at 6:22 am
America was a great experiment,but alas its demise has arrived.
American’s will know that the final end is here when our own government ATTEMPTS to disarm us - then you’ll know that the real party is about to begin!
May 7th, 2008 at 6:33 am
La respuesta es obvia: http://RoboEco.com/libertad
su asistencia es tan importante hoy por favor
May 7th, 2008 at 6:35 am
Hey Badger,
Do you run a gun shop? Trying to hype up some business:)
May 7th, 2008 at 6:55 am
Dr. A, you are a trip and a half.
May 7th, 2008 at 7:09 am
What do you mean Kim “its not just liberals”?? While you were all having this mindless “liberals vs Conservatives” debate that always goes absolutely nowhere, your country was stolen out from under you, and you never even saw it coming.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:39 am
If you had not yet noticed, we are in a real WAR! A “HOT” WAR! Being displaced by alien forces coming into our own country with the assistance of “our own” government traitors is, by definition, WAR!. Being economically destroyed as “they” debase the “play money” we are forced to use is another act of war. Taxing the work of our hands is WAR! Being poisoned by modified food, polluted water, chemtrails (check out the brown and cream colored spots on your windshields and ask yourself where they came from and what they contain), poisoned and tainted innoculations, an “eductional” system designed to wreck families and dumb-down our youngsters, jobs (our ability to feed our families) stolen and given to other countries, the merging of USA with Canada and Mexico… the list is endless. WE ARE AT WAR for our very lives! However, the best is yet to come… “THEY LOSE… WE WIN!”
May 7th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Is every one in your under educated country a mindless cracker? You either fall for your governments patriotic spew or your some kind neo-conservative gun loving time bomb waiting for the end times. I know there are intelligent people in America, hell some of you are probablly intelligent people use your brains, please.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Revolution, it’s actually long overdue. We need true freedom now. We will have to physically fight for it. There will be blood spilled in the street. We true patriots will NOT live in tyranny. The trouble with the USA is that it’s run by cowardly, panty waisted assholes. They better run for cover soon. The more they congtinue to be in our face to we the people, they are playing with fire. Their System has many weapons, propaganda and means to suppress the people and they are clearly underestimating us. This cannot stand.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Heya Al….
Get your Mexican Ass right on down there to Old Mexico, and be real Proud…
Proud!!…VIVA la RATza…you are, by-and-large, the stupidest single “cultura” in this whole planet Earth. Get out of my Country while we are still allowing you to take all of your possessions
down there…this is true compassion, allowing you to seek your true level, which is Typical Mexican Peasant Dumbass….Hurry Up and Get out…there is no future for any stupid Latinos in this territory.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Wow, I’d be interested to know what link brought this crowd over….
May 7th, 2008 at 10:42 am
YOU STATE THAT ‘THE LIBERALS” ARE AT FAULT FOR ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN…SINCE WHEN IS GEORGE BUSH CONSIDERED A LIBERAL?
May 7th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Yes,
The problem is severe. US educational system is one of the worse in the world in terms of
quality K-12. Only 70% of Americans even finish
high school. Much of this due to banktupcy of public schools, illegal flooding in.
Hospital systems will collapse due to the illegals situation The problem is severe.
It is better to take your time now to educate yourselves. Talk of guns and violence will only bring heat, and no results. Once you get busted, you are quickly forgotten.
Learn the truth about how this country was subverted from within. It’s not Left-vs-Right, Republican-vs-Democrat - that’s all bread and circuses.
Your roads are crumbling beneath you, because the military industrial complex has been creating billionaires, and you let them .. you are the ones who appointed the monsters.
Your education, and commuinications with others about facts are your strongest weapons.
Don’t waste your time writing letters to your congressman. That is a pure waste of your time and theirs. They are there to collect kickbacks from the lobbyists, not much else.
Stay alert, because they are hell bent on war with Iran, any excuse will do, and the US will see $10 a gallon gas, and food riots.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Oh this is just the sort of thing that happens when you have an ultra influential blog…
Actually, for some reason that story got picked up here
http://www.rense.com/
which appears to be a pretty busy Web site.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:59 am
“they are hell bent on war with Iran”
Spot on, the real reason we are in Iraq.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Thank you for editing that one out, whoever did it.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
To whom it may concern, we are not a G-rated blog by any stretch, but we also don’t want that kind of tasteless profanity here.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Is Rense.com a disinfo site. For them to post this kind of trash, speaks volumes!! Beware of them, I’ll never visit their site again!
May 7th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Cry revolution, demand a change…….but the continued “fall” of the United States is a planned and executed process now entering its final stages. Pretty soon, the dollar will be worth about a dime, Blackwater goons will roam the streets of your cities, all the while the Chemtrails in the skies will continue to rain down heavy metal particles for you to breathe in. Americans have had their time as top dog, you allowed your “leaders” to sell you out as you blindly believed that the gravy train from their Imperialistic ventures was present because God was on your side and you were a favored group of deserving people. Good luck when the…….really hits the fan, you will be lost in a raging river without any kind of paddle, or even a boat.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Trajan, maybe someone should bash you. Weren’t you europeans the first illegals?
May 7th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
P.S. to TruthSeeker……
Mainstream Media will always reign as the leading perpetrators of “misinfo,” along with your elected officials that is.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
As long as idiots like you blame liberals, you’ll never achieve anything. You need to wake up and see that it is your greedy conservative Republican (politicians and corporatists) who are the true source behind massive immigration. You’ve got to look at sponsership of the American Dream Act (Orin Hatch, Republican, Utah, for example. Also, look at the Republican controlled Chamber of Commerce which is promoting unlimited expansion of HB-1 visas to wipe out the American worker. You need to pull your head out of the sand, stop listening to whoring propagandists like Limbaugh, Hanity, and Medved, and look in the mirror—you will see yourself and your corporate cronies all in one glance!
May 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Oh, there’s plenty of blame to go around — left, right, and center. But it all comes down to us, the voters, for putting up with it.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Time to send the med bills to the state of Mexico,payable at once!!
Next find out the names and addresses of the people that are responsible in Industry and Washington,and start culling,preferably with the help of our Goon Squads,that are hired to protect this treasonous riff raff,deciding Americas future.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
“Weren’t you europeans the first illegals?”
If the Solutrean Hypothesis is correct, then North America has always been home to Europeans..
May 7th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Americans need to stand and fight together on this situation before its to late. Americans are too concerned with being comfortable and nobody wants to die for the cause.The middle class and poor class are being destroyed slowly,and nobody seems to notice or give a care.What is it going to take for us Americans to wake up and smell the assholes destroying our country? millions more living in tent city?
Americans can take back America but there is going to be sacrifice involved and nobody wants that.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
jay smith,
this is not a democrat-republican issue. both sides of the aisle have supported this ess for different reasons. both sides have corrupted themselves. This is also not a liberal-conservative issue, it is a obey the law not obey the law issue. we are breaking our own laws by doing this. these are the laws passed over the past 60 years. there is PLENTY of blame to go around.
You and i can disagree on everything else, but if this makes you mad, welcome aboard bro.
May 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Wow, it’s a rense-lanche. This may beat that one day we got linked by Glenn Reynolds. They must get like a billion hits a day because the link to us is only one out of hundreds on the page.
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s14novatownhall&r=0
May 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Are we famous now?
May 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Joe, Quick, turn on Google adsense..
May 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Well we’ve BEEN famous but nobody knew it besides us.
Advertising, now there’s a concept. If I ever do that I pledge the earnings will only go for ammunition for our next range outing.
May 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Hey Dr A—-we don’t speak or read spanish!!!!!!!
May 7th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
The reason the borders have never been secured is that the presidents of Mexico, US & Canada are planning to turn us into the North American Union & replace the crashing dollar with the Amero, Google it & also the SPP: Security & Prosperity Partnership. We will soon be one country!! In order to pull this off, Bush will do another 9/11 false flag operation & declare Martial Law. Better stock up.
May 7th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Jean,
1. The page has a link to the English version at the bottom.
2. NAU must be stopped. Our national character will forever be changed for the worse if this happens. This is not akin the wave of immigrants from th last century. Those people came in were forced to speak English, became jingoistic patriots and pursued the American dream. This will bring socialism to the fore and end our 200 year experiment in being left alone to pursue happiness under the blanket of liberty.
May 7th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
It’s not the “illegals” so much as it is corporate fascism and the worthless politicians in the pockets of the Israelis and the corporations. Someday soon we all may need all the Mexicans we can get fighting on our side against the tyrants who’ve sold our country out to the Zionists and Israeli spies. You people need to direct your anger at a worthwhile target and get ready. Cause this country is going down and it’s not the “illegals” who are doing it. It’s the fascist companies, the CEOs and the greedy, spineless tyrants running the country into the ground.
May 7th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Chris,
do you know what fascist means?
May 7th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
It is no wonder that I see a great deal of negative comments regarding the free ride that illegal aliens get in this country. When a documented US citizen has far lower benefits than a illegal, something is very, very wrong. I’m starting to wonder, why should I receive far less than a person who snuck in to this country?. We as a country have been sold out by the illuminati. I think there is a major storm brewing in this country, and if you don’t belong here, you had best run, or you will become a sorry stastic to the rest of your family. America needs to be taken back, and the borders secured. I say, let the party begin, and you illegals better be packin.
May 7th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
rense.com community, where have you been all my life?
May 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Chris, can the anti-Semitic crap. The Jews have been beaten, killed, and evicted from damn near every country in the northern hemisphere. They have one tiny little country surrounded by people that don’t even show that tiny country on their maps. They are hardly a threat.
Even if the Jews were a threat, I’d much rather the nation be taken over by Jews than by a group of anonymous latin american meat-packing glitterati.
May 7th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
“…not of sight or sound but of mind. Your next stop-the Twilight Zone”
Joe, I go on vacation and you turn your blog over to the neo-nazis.
On the subject. Yes, since those without healthcare can’t use normal doctor’s offices, they inundate the emergency rooms. Now you shouldn’t go to a hospital except in critical situations but that is the only avenue they have. Although health providers can work “deals” to get lower rates then charged, NOBODY can live on gratis forever.
If we, the people, can’t force our elected representatives to enforce our laws or change/create laws to stem this ruination from the illegal/undocumented/don’t-belong-here/won’t-play-by-the-rules crowd then we need to have petitions to put on the ballot for a vote 1. illegal immigration is a federal offense punishable by 20 years hard labor and 2. we don’t owe any non-U.S. individual health care, schooling or any other free handout.
Remember, the law is observed until it is changed. Then it is observed in a new light. Make it law thru congress and SCOTUS can’t touch it.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Is somebody saying to import cheaper doctors on this blog? No way! Is it cheap to get an education here? No! Consider that!
We have no business treating illegal aliens and if we do, we ought to bill the nation of origin!
We also have to revise the 14th Amendment so that the offspring of illegal aliens don’t become “Automatic Citizen ungrateful Anchor Babies” and we must IMMEDIATELY end ALL FREE BIRTHS to illegal aliens and NO WIC etc beneftis to these anchor babies, no FREE SCHOOL, BREAKFASTS/LUNCHES,the DREAM ACT, etc.
Another way is to drop those drug prices! They’ve been using our tax dollars long enough and then gouging us when we need them. Plus they’re deep into the White House pockets.
This whole thing is rotten and corrupt!
May 7th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Thank you #39 and 40. The NAU is the reason we have wide-open borders despite the “War on Terror.”
May 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
We are all screwed. The political fat-cats, no matter what “party” they belong to, have sold all of our asses down the river to the highest bidder.
I am going to load up on beer and ammo, and take out as many pukes as I can when the Blackwater goons get their orders to enforce the martial law that is coming.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Rense we love ya, you are a true free press. Been reading everyday for 10 years now. Anybody who relies on the “mainstream media” knows nothing.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
ACT, yeah, strange stuff.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Joe, ACT,
Amazing what one link can do. Surprised nobody has brought up a Freemason conspiracy yet..
May 7th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
“LIKE ANY REVOLUTION ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL WILL BE SHOT ON SITE”
This approach has worked so well in Iraq..
May 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
PEOPLE!:
Stop B*tching already! Forget illegals already, they will go back to their homelands when the sh*t hits the fan and the money dries up. The biggest problem is our government is going to inflate our money into worthless paper. BUY GOLD. STOCKPILE FOOD. HIDE YOUR GUN AND AMMO.
GET A FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT. EXCHANGE YOUR DOLLARS FOR EUROS. get prepared…
May 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I have watched your country, as it invaded mine, and murdered our children, our women, and our brothers as they rose up to throw you back out of our country. I’ve seen the images of your fat people, living in fat houses, driving fat SUV’s loaded with fat spoiled children.
You go about your selfish, self-centered, boring, meaningless little lives. You do not care the least that you have murdered over one million of my people, with extreme prejudice, people that had absolutely nothing to do with your problem of September 11, 2001.
It has not escaped our notice that your leaders betrayed you, and you have done absolutely nothing. You deserve what is and what will happen to you. You have become a lazy, stupid, corrupt people.
Perhaps we will all meet in Hell one day, but we will observe with much pleasure,as you and your whore politicians sink together.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Ali,
You are an Arab like I am a Vulcan. In short you ain’t you troll.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
We have internet access in Baghdad I was educated in Texas. You’ve never been to my country. If you had, I could show you places where your soldies intentionally target our children. This occupation could have ended in 2004, if your leaders wanted it to. They don’t.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
What time is it now in Baghdad ? 6 in the morning isn’t it ?
May 7th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Ali,
You are full or crap. The reasons are obvious.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Yes, it is Thursday morning, very dusty and warm here.
And it is a fine time for your butchers to leave my country and not return.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Ali Baba,
You IP address says you are in Germany.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I am in all places at once. You do not know the ways of the Bedouin?
May 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Somewhere, Zimzo is chuckling …
Well I have to say I’ve never heard of Rense before but regardless of everything else I must acknowledge the sheer numbers the guy attracts.
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s14novatownhall&r=12
On the other hand, it also brought a higher degree of “edge” in the comments and our first links from Hal Turner and Stormfront, so all in all quite a ride for a Wednesday.
To compensate, tomorrow I shall be actively seeking a link trade with Barkley and Paws for my morning post on “How To Give Your Puppy A Special Day.”
May 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Current temp in Baghdad is 72 degrees and hazy. Very odd you would call this warm for a desert country..
May 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
We had quite a cold winter. This is warm to me.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
I find it interesting that you Americans do nothing other than to moan and whine like the old women, and do nothing. as long as you grow fat and lazy, you will get run over by other countries. I wonder sometimes how your country even survives. the future does not belong to you any more
May 7th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Ali Baba,
“I am in all places at once. You do not know the ways of the Bedouin?”
ROTFLMAO! Now that is funny. salaam, mein herr!
May 7th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I think Ali might be in Ann Arbor, taking a break from grading finals.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
jacob, let me translate for you..
“I am in all places at once”
Means “I am using Tor so I can appear to be many places on the internet at once.”
One post might come through a Tor exit point in China, the next from an exit point in Ann Arbor.
I use it myself, for those times when I wish to post anonymously and hide under the radar.
But, he is anywhere but Bagdad.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
America (walking dead man)
Is finished
20 to 30 million illegals now run the show in America.
Americans with their lard asses and their live large attitudes will soon ,Very soon be third world citizens.
your working still? you wont be for long.
The rivers are contaminated the birds and the bees are dying.
You are eating GMO foods drinking milk that contains growth hormones,and worse, your on the way out.
Americans will soon be a dying breed.
Heck they even popped off 1200 nukes in America spreading death to every corner of America , Its still there and will be for 4.5 Billion years to come.
Causing most Americans to be born retarded.
These are hard facts that get little attention in America.
Then there is the American govt the most corrupt gangsters in the world.
Any other country would be rioting but in America all you ever see are glazed eyes and silly grins as they salute the flag,while they are being looted gutted and raped.
now the govt elite want to rule the world as America is now a shell .Resources dried up and no way to make the big bucks like before all the Americans are in debt to their eyeballs.
Your own Govt will reduce America to ashes
and all the years of hard work by your fore fathers will be cast to the ground. All you’ll
ever see is glazed eyes and silly grins in response.
Your own fore fathers spit on you from the grave
May 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Did you know that when these 3rd world creatures from mexico take a dump in a public tolet they wipe their ass’s and throw the paper in the waste basket. Be careful when throughing things in public john baskets. You my have an encounter with a illegal alien turd.
Viva the Revolution, Lets ship all the americano politicians down to mexi-cocain with the illegal alien creatures stealing our jobs.
Never do business with a greedy white republican that hires illgals.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Stimulating debate.
May 8th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Dick Cheney ordered the DC Madam to be lynched by contractors working forspecial operations group of CIA
May 8th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Unless anyone leaving comments here is a native American, we were all immigrants once. There is plenty of money for health care in this country, but the military has it and would rather spend it on shiny new death equipment than for increasing the health and well being of their fellow human beings. A truly repugnant article, followed by equally ignorant and bigoted comments!
May 8th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Ron,
Thanks for showing up and enlightening the rest of us with you insults and hippie fruitloop take on military spending and zero sum game economic theory.
May 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Ron,
First, how’s that been working for the American Indians? You may find the Europeans put on reservations if this invasion keeps up.
Second, in 2007 our total military spending was 3.7% of our GDP, which is historically very low, and that includes the money for Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s about one sixth of our total federal budget.
Meanwhile, our health care spending was 16% of our GDP in 2007.
Will you please explain how 3.7% equals 16%?
May 8th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Ah, my mistake, the portions of the Iraq and Afghanistan expenditures that are supplementals do not appear in the numbers. So add on another percentage or so, just for fun. You still cannot make 16% out of 5%.
May 8th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
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May 8th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
David, kid yourself not. Your own freemasonic forefathers laid the ground work for the crap you’re in. Blame it on them, not the illegals that had their wealth and land stolen from them for you all to previously live high on your pornographic culture hog!!
May 8th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
“Truth Seaker,” please explain this silly assertion of yours.
May 8th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Boys, I think we need some range time sooner then anticipated. This thread is scaring me and it isn’t the comments. I haven’t heard this type of inane crap since the sixty’s radicals. It’s not outsiders we need worry about, if you get my drift.
P.S. Ali, I’ve already had your 72 virgins so Allah has nothing left for you.
May 8th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
HA! That #81 by ACT …. is priceless.
Yes, we are working on range time as we speak.
May 9th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Gentlemen,
I have to apologize. I thought you were all the wackiest people I’d ever “met” until I read this thread.
Of course, now that I see that you’re sane compared to others, that scares the hell right out of me. I’m actually considering buying a gun and moving to Montana or Idaho. The future looks bleak. Hmmm. Maybe Switzerland. Are they affected by Global Warming less?
May 9th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Sanity?
Right out of the gate you offend the female voice. It should be “Ladies and Gentlemen”.
You must realize that those “people” are on the fringe more than you. You should be scared and realize that we are the sane/logical ones. Buy a gun? Do we have a convert here?
May 9th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Sanity,
You would hate Switzerland. The locals are forced to own guns and practice with them. Seriously. All men from 16 to 50 have to keep a working military rifle in their house with ammo. No gun lock (you listening 1/2 troll) and quaify on a ranged course twice a year.
Feel any safer?
May 9th, 2008 at 9:59 am
ACTivist my apologies for correcting you. The virgins of paradise awaiting martyrs are spiritual virgins. Also, they are female virgins, not male virgins, so I am not overly concerned if you have already violated them.
May 9th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Ali, is that like being a “technical” virgin?
May 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Ali Baba,
How is life in the ME today o’ prince of the wasted. Are you seeking to go to your virgins yet? Would you like some help from the Marines on starting your journey?
May 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
ACT,
Don’t make Sanity buy a gun. We should first let him try someone else’s out. It’s like telling someone that to learn how to drive, they need to buy a car. Does that make ANY sense.
All we need to do now, is add some comments regarding beer and the day is complete.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Ali, it is blasphemy to speak of paradise in a manner such as this. Allah does not raise boy lovers from Hell. For there you will quickly descend, and remain.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
“Don’t make Sanity buy a gun”
Good idea, could result in Sanity’s turning from the dark side..
May 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Dan,
I want him to turn, but the requirement of first buying a gun before being able to send rounds downrange may be too much for the boy. Let him use someone else’s weapon, as a test drive so to speak. The money to buy one himself will burn a hole in his pocket all on its own.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Amal,
may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your pants.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
you mean “yo pants” don’t you jacob ?
May 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
We have no healthcare. Illegals are helping close down our hospitals and E.R.’s which are disease and trauma treatment centers. When are people going to realize that we have no health care because the allopathic system doesn’t know a thing about health…only disease.
May 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Pat P. T. Ph.D.,
Would switching to a osteopathic approach help or fix things? Thats the only realistic approach if you couch this as a falling of the philosophic underpinning of our brand of medicine.
What we have is an imbalance in the demand-cost structure in the market. The trouble is economic, not medical.
May 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Illegal aliens are a problem that our politicans have failed to enforce for decades now. The fact is that the 1986 immigration reform that gave amnesty to 3+ million was well writen but never enforced. Now we are being told that we have a broken immgration system and need another 1986 type immgration reform. This is a lie. The 1986 immigration law is being subverted by the courts, ethnocentric groups and pandering politicans.
I would give them one more chance, but with no amnesty without proven results.
My Compromise Immigration Policy
1.) Illegal immigrants with US citizen children will be allowed to apply for citizenship after paying back taxes, fine and background check. It is estimated that this number is around 2 million. Though, I believe it is more like 4 million. These lower number will be are easier American public to swallow than 20 to 30 million I currently believe would be seen with other reforms.
2.) End “Anchor Babies” loophole by clarification of the wording of “under the jurisdiction of the United States” in the 14th amendment. The courts must work with congress on this clarification to end “anchor babies” loophole as path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and foreign visitors.
3.) Fix Social Security data base errors and issue new tamper proof Social Security card. Instead of biometrics, I prefer we would use a secret pin number type system and photo. This will cost billions but needs to be done to modernize the system.
4.) E- Verify type system for all employers to check workers legal status using the newly fixed Social Security Card system.
5.) End sanctuary cities violating federal law by loss of federal funds.
6.) Creation of an immigration board made up of labor, industry, scientist, agriculture and economist to study legal immigration requirements for congress. This board should concentrate on the long term view for an economically prosperous sustainable middle class America and industry.
7.) Border security increases.
8.) The failure to implement enforcement triggers loses of citizenship applications of illegal immigrant with children applications.
9.) End Tax payer ID without legal immigration status and no banking in US without proper legal status.
May 11th, 2008 at 1:28 am
#31:
Get Real. Always been home. Then why the need to invade your own home and slaughter? Duh Uh???? Soultrean Hypothesis??? Bawaaaaha ha ha.
Hypothesis:
1. A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation.
2. Something taken to be true for the purpose of argument or investigation; an assumption.
3. The antecedent of a conditional statement.
Indeed why write about something that needs further invetiagion? Duh Uh?
An assumption. Break it down for yourself. Except leave me out of it!!
What indeed do they teach you in American schools. Talk about dumbing down the population. Again you can thank your Freemason Ancestors for that one!!
Please I’ve had enough chuckles reading much of the nonsense posted here. But then again, keep it coming. They do say, laughter is good for the soul!!
May 11th, 2008 at 1:46 am
first, notify all illegals they have 30 days
to go back to mexico. Offer them a bus ride and $20 bill to cover meals on the way.
those that refuse, will be granted this
option.
throw them into a huge pit. fill the pit
quarter way with gasoline (87 octane will do fine). toss in road flare and run.
this will be explained to the mexican government
as the fate for any planning to enter the US illegally. Period.
May 11th, 2008 at 3:27 am
We’ve got a sicko on board! He/she is even blaspheming in his name.
May 11th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Truth seeker not;
“If the Solutrean Hypothesis is correct”
Your lunatic ravings simple reenforce the comment that I made.
“invetiagion”
I do not know what this means, please explain. Is this because of my American dumbing down ?
“invade your own home and slaughter”
Reality check, but this was the principle means of territorial acquisition in pre-Columbian America. Nowhere was this practiced with more brutality than the early cultures of what is now Central America.
May 11th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Duh uh, dum yankee, Investigation. I know it was too hard for you to have figured that one out, even after reading it in the previous paragraph. Awww poo poo. Considering the source, it’s understandble.
Reality Check? Talk about not knowing anything about anything. Please your ignorance and level of brainwashing is irratating. Take some time to look into your Freemasonic history and you’ll see were who were the true originators of all that brutality.
School yourself and check out Alan Watt @ cuttingthroughthematrix.com for your true history. That is of course if you can handle it. Hmmmmm that I’m not quite to sure about, but hey there’s always hope!
May 11th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Duh uh, dumb yankee, Investigation. I know it was too hard for you to have figured that one out, even after reading it in the previous paragraph. Awww poo poo. Considering the source, it’s understandable.
Reality Check? Talk about not knowing anything about anything. Please your ignorance and level of brainwashing is irratating. Take some time to look into your Freemasonic history and you’ll see who were the true originators of all that brutality.
School yourself and check out Alan Watt @ cuttingthroughthematrix.com for your true history. That is of course if you can handle it. Hmmmmm that I’m not quite to sure about, but hey there’s always hope!
PS: You level of understanding is truly irritating, please don’t respond to any more of my posts.
May 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Truth Seeker,
Were their any pups in your litter that weren’t still-born? Including you I mean. Duh uh?
Please don’t post to any more of our understandings!
May 14th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
OK Freemasonic Brother. Mot it be!!!!