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	<title>Comments on: Why The Petrol Market Is Not Working</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: coolermaster</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-6378</link>
		<dc:creator>coolermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-6378</guid>
		<description>With extremely high gas prices straining consumers pockets in recent months, it is only natural for people to wonder where all the money they pay at the pump goes.Wht your opinion          to install fuel saver on my car after i found this web site.. &lt;a href="http://fuel-savermagnetic.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;FUEL SAVER MAGNETIC&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With extremely high gas prices straining consumers pockets in recent months, it is only natural for people to wonder where all the money they pay at the pump goes.Wht your opinion          to install fuel saver on my car after i found this web site.. <a href="http://fuel-savermagnetic.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">FUEL SAVER MAGNETIC</a></p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3986</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3986</guid>
		<description>10FTB,

Yes, the diesel price disparity does seem odd. Wonder if is due to the volume sold ? I have read where up to 50% of the cars in Europe are diesel.

http://www.aaroadwatch.ie/eupetrolprices/

I doubt that peanut oil is $10 a gallon outside of the grocery store. I would think that $125-$150 a barrel is more realistic.  Anyone up for digging up the prices in the commodities markets can prove me wrong.

With diesel at $4.30, maybe you need to get some BioWillie out there..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10FTB,</p>
<p>Yes, the diesel price disparity does seem odd. Wonder if is due to the volume sold ? I have read where up to 50% of the cars in Europe are diesel.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aaroadwatch.ie/eupetrolprices/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aaroadwatch.ie/eupetrolprices/</a></p>
<p>I doubt that peanut oil is $10 a gallon outside of the grocery store. I would think that $125-$150 a barrel is more realistic.  Anyone up for digging up the prices in the commodities markets can prove me wrong.</p>
<p>With diesel at $4.30, maybe you need to get some BioWillie out there..</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3984</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3984</guid>
		<description>10cm and 80-proof,
Go on line.  Thats what I did.  The best price I found was $10.20</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10cm and 80-proof,<br />
Go on line.  Thats what I did.  The best price I found was $10.20</p>
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		<title>By: 10 feet tall and Bulletproof</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3981</link>
		<dc:creator>10 feet tall and Bulletproof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3981</guid>
		<description>I would point out that we were discussing deisel...and that's $4.30 a gallon out here.
And I haven't priced a gallon of pure peanut extract, so I'll have to trust you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would point out that we were discussing deisel&#8230;and that&#8217;s $4.30 a gallon out here.<br />
And I haven&#8217;t priced a gallon of pure peanut extract, so I&#8217;ll have to trust you.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 feet tall and Bulletproof</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3943</link>
		<dc:creator>10 feet tall and Bulletproof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3943</guid>
		<description>Nah. I like flamefest better. And you did not dissappoint. :)</description>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3924</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3924</guid>
		<description>10cm and totally clueless,
Gasoline at the pump costs around $3.50
peanut oil with is cheaper according to you costs about $10.20 a gallon. Hey genius, I guess according to you 10.20 is less than 3.50.  What is that ... new math?

So, according to you "Oil USED TO BE CHEAPER than the peanut [oil]. That changed around 1950 or so"
Gasoline, an oil by product, and therefore MORE expensive than straight crude oil is still cheaper than Milk or Orange juice, let alone Evian in the 16oz bottle.  All of which are less expensive than peanut oil, or corn oil, etc.  So what world are you in ... genius?

Furthermore to get the oil you don't just crush the peanuts, boy, thats peanut butter you fruit loop.  After the press the butter is often then heated to get the remaining oil to rise above the heavier solids.  The process of removing a light liquid from a heavier one by using heat is called distillation.  So stop blowing smoke, genius.

Try this, when someone has the temerity to disagree with you, be polite even if by some small chance you are right for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10cm and totally clueless,<br />
Gasoline at the pump costs around $3.50<br />
peanut oil with is cheaper according to you costs about $10.20 a gallon. Hey genius, I guess according to you 10.20 is less than 3.50.  What is that &#8230; new math?</p>
<p>So, according to you &#8220;Oil USED TO BE CHEAPER than the peanut [oil]. That changed around 1950 or so&#8221;<br />
Gasoline, an oil by product, and therefore MORE expensive than straight crude oil is still cheaper than Milk or Orange juice, let alone Evian in the 16oz bottle.  All of which are less expensive than peanut oil, or corn oil, etc.  So what world are you in &#8230; genius?</p>
<p>Furthermore to get the oil you don&#8217;t just crush the peanuts, boy, thats peanut butter you fruit loop.  After the press the butter is often then heated to get the remaining oil to rise above the heavier solids.  The process of removing a light liquid from a heavier one by using heat is called distillation.  So stop blowing smoke, genius.</p>
<p>Try this, when someone has the temerity to disagree with you, be polite even if by some small chance you are right for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: ACTivist</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3919</link>
		<dc:creator>ACTivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3919</guid>
		<description>Read an article many years ago about the "nuclear pea" automotive engine.  The tech and design exists.  They just aren't going to put nuclear pellets in the hands of civilians!

If diesel is cheaper to make then why does it cost more then regular gas?  Ships, trains and trucks run on diesel for the most part.  They are also the major transporters of commerce and goods.  I know who is paying as the end user but who is making these profits?  Yes, we do need more nuclear but we also need to do something with the "waste".

As far as 10 proof wanting to be "oil free"-do you understand what petroleum is used for and in?  Building materials, chemicals, cleaning solutions, plastics, medicines.  Oil free?  You kidding me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read an article many years ago about the &#8220;nuclear pea&#8221; automotive engine.  The tech and design exists.  They just aren&#8217;t going to put nuclear pellets in the hands of civilians!</p>
<p>If diesel is cheaper to make then why does it cost more then regular gas?  Ships, trains and trucks run on diesel for the most part.  They are also the major transporters of commerce and goods.  I know who is paying as the end user but who is making these profits?  Yes, we do need more nuclear but we also need to do something with the &#8220;waste&#8221;.</p>
<p>As far as 10 proof wanting to be &#8220;oil free&#8221;-do you understand what petroleum is used for and in?  Building materials, chemicals, cleaning solutions, plastics, medicines.  Oil free?  You kidding me?</p>
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		<title>By: 10 feet tall and Bulletproof</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3917</link>
		<dc:creator>10 feet tall and Bulletproof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3917</guid>
		<description>Get back in the bag, dude. Jeez.
It was the original fuel, man. You run the peanuts thru a press, genius.
Oil USED TO BE CHEAPER than the peanut. That changed around 1950 or so, but evidently, we were hooked by then, and never bothered to unhook from the oil companies marketing campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get back in the bag, dude. Jeez.<br />
It was the original fuel, man. You run the peanuts thru a press, genius.<br />
Oil USED TO BE CHEAPER than the peanut. That changed around 1950 or so, but evidently, we were hooked by then, and never bothered to unhook from the oil companies marketing campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3916</guid>
		<description>10 cm
"I’m aware of Deisel’s first fuel, and have often wondered how we got off that track."
Simple, it takes way less energy to get it out of the ground than it does to distill the oil out of the legume.  The bang for the buck is just not there when compared to oil product out of the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 cm<br />
&#8220;I’m aware of Deisel’s first fuel, and have often wondered how we got off that track.&#8221;<br />
Simple, it takes way less energy to get it out of the ground than it does to distill the oil out of the legume.  The bang for the buck is just not there when compared to oil product out of the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 feet tall and Bulletproof</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3912</link>
		<dc:creator>10 feet tall and Bulletproof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3912</guid>
		<description>That's my point. We can do this here. All we need is a couple hundred thousand acres that support housing right now. Return the water from five major cities to the plains so it sevew us all. And promote farming as a dignified vocation instead of looking down our noses at those who've kept us fed over the decades. Possible? 
Naw. We're going to be buying from South America, and we'll like it, gosh-darn-it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s my point. We can do this here. All we need is a couple hundred thousand acres that support housing right now. Return the water from five major cities to the plains so it sevew us all. And promote farming as a dignified vocation instead of looking down our noses at those who&#8217;ve kept us fed over the decades. Possible?<br />
Naw. We&#8217;re going to be buying from South America, and we&#8217;ll like it, gosh-darn-it.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3910</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3910</guid>
		<description>10ft-

There is growing evidence calling into question the belief that oil is a non-renewable resource. Maybe one day soon we may know for sure one way or the other if it is dead dinos, or is the product of ongoing processes right under our feet.  

Also, bio-diesel is far from being a limited fuel source. The question that remains here, is do we want to grow our fuel, or our food ? Do we want to de dependent upon foreign nations to drive or to eat ? That's the million dollar question. Me, I would rather ride a horse with a full belly, than drive a Ferrari on a beggar's diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10ft-</p>
<p>There is growing evidence calling into question the belief that oil is a non-renewable resource. Maybe one day soon we may know for sure one way or the other if it is dead dinos, or is the product of ongoing processes right under our feet.  </p>
<p>Also, bio-diesel is far from being a limited fuel source. The question that remains here, is do we want to grow our fuel, or our food ? Do we want to de dependent upon foreign nations to drive or to eat ? That&#8217;s the million dollar question. Me, I would rather ride a horse with a full belly, than drive a Ferrari on a beggar&#8217;s diet.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 feet tall and Bulletproof</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3909</link>
		<dc:creator>10 feet tall and Bulletproof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3909</guid>
		<description>I'm aware of Deisel's first fuel, and have often wondered how we got off that track. It has alot to do with the fact that back then, oil and byproducts actually cost less than the peanut oil. THE DAY that the crude was about to outpace peanut oil, we should have been on a tear to reintroduce peanut oil to thse engines, since the technology had been perfected decades before.
I'm glad to see VW doing thier thing, but in all honesty, no matter what it emits or does not emit, it still runs on a limited fuel source. I'd like to see it on a renewable source, to tell you the truth. If we could get far enough ahead to provide renewable fuel to the whole process of providing the renewable source....i.e. from harvest to refining all run on the very fuel that they produce.
And I won't even get into the whole thing about needing acres to grow on here--- or IMPORTING sugar cane and other bio fuel sources from Columbia, Argentina and others. Didn't we learn anything from having to import our oil??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aware of Deisel&#8217;s first fuel, and have often wondered how we got off that track. It has alot to do with the fact that back then, oil and byproducts actually cost less than the peanut oil. THE DAY that the crude was about to outpace peanut oil, we should have been on a tear to reintroduce peanut oil to thse engines, since the technology had been perfected decades before.<br />
I&#8217;m glad to see VW doing thier thing, but in all honesty, no matter what it emits or does not emit, it still runs on a limited fuel source. I&#8217;d like to see it on a renewable source, to tell you the truth. If we could get far enough ahead to provide renewable fuel to the whole process of providing the renewable source&#8230;.i.e. from harvest to refining all run on the very fuel that they produce.<br />
And I won&#8217;t even get into the whole thing about needing acres to grow on here&#8212; or IMPORTING sugar cane and other bio fuel sources from Columbia, Argentina and others. Didn&#8217;t we learn anything from having to import our oil??</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3880</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3880</guid>
		<description>Jacob, Very good point about hydrogen cars. Btw :

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/09/12/bmw-officially-announces-the-bmw-hydrogen-7/

I read some time back that this car set a new land speed record for a hydrogen powered vehicle of over 300kph. BMW's approach seems to be very simple; now that we have engineered the internal combustion engine into the technological marvel that is today, why would we throw all of that engineering away and start over ?

What North Dakota and her residents decide to do with their landscapes is certainly no business of any NoVa posters here. You cannot compare mid 20th century oil field technology with that of today. But from a long term strategic standpoint, would it not make more sense to hold our untapped supplies in reserve ? Think about, 50 years from now, we have most of the earth's oil and fresh water reserves. 

10 feet tall, Yes, diesel is less costly to refine than gas, and the cost of building refineries for diesel is also less. Rudolf Diesel's first engines ran on peanut oil, and he expected his engines to run on vegetable and seed oils, as he built it to run on a variety of locally available fuels. That is the beauty of the design. Popular Mechanics had a very good article recently on the new diesels soon coming to our shores. VW has a 70 mpg diesel engine that with the newer ultra-low sulfur fuels has equivalent or lower emissions than current hybrids. Imho, because of advances in diesels and the technologies like the hydrogen Beamer above, hybrids will go the way of the 8 track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, Very good point about hydrogen cars. Btw :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/09/12/bmw-officially-announces-the-bmw-hydrogen-7/" rel="nofollow">http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/09/12/bmw-officially-announces-the-bmw-hydrogen-7/</a></p>
<p>I read some time back that this car set a new land speed record for a hydrogen powered vehicle of over 300kph. BMW&#8217;s approach seems to be very simple; now that we have engineered the internal combustion engine into the technological marvel that is today, why would we throw all of that engineering away and start over ?</p>
<p>What North Dakota and her residents decide to do with their landscapes is certainly no business of any NoVa posters here. You cannot compare mid 20th century oil field technology with that of today. But from a long term strategic standpoint, would it not make more sense to hold our untapped supplies in reserve ? Think about, 50 years from now, we have most of the earth&#8217;s oil and fresh water reserves. </p>
<p>10 feet tall, Yes, diesel is less costly to refine than gas, and the cost of building refineries for diesel is also less. Rudolf Diesel&#8217;s first engines ran on peanut oil, and he expected his engines to run on vegetable and seed oils, as he built it to run on a variety of locally available fuels. That is the beauty of the design. Popular Mechanics had a very good article recently on the new diesels soon coming to our shores. VW has a 70 mpg diesel engine that with the newer ultra-low sulfur fuels has equivalent or lower emissions than current hybrids. Imho, because of advances in diesels and the technologies like the hydrogen Beamer above, hybrids will go the way of the 8 track.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 feet tall and Bulletproof</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3874</link>
		<dc:creator>10 feet tall and Bulletproof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3874</guid>
		<description>"DRILL in ANWR! Oh, and offshore — there’s plenty of oil offshore here in Virginia."

See...that's the kneejerk reaction of the underinformed.
There is plenty of fuel (despite what the liberal media spins as a short supply. That breeds this hysteria, and has caused the futures to rise, which is the second part of the increase.) to process.
That is the key word here. We need to refine it before it can be used by internal combustion engines. In that I've been told that diesel is easier to refine than gasoline, I'm concerned that ignorance in diesel futures is driving the smaller independent truckers out of business, in that it is somewhere around $4.30 per gallon.
Anyone familiar enough with the process to refute or confirm that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;DRILL in ANWR! Oh, and offshore — there’s plenty of oil offshore here in Virginia.&#8221;</p>
<p>See&#8230;that&#8217;s the kneejerk reaction of the underinformed.<br />
There is plenty of fuel (despite what the liberal media spins as a short supply. That breeds this hysteria, and has caused the futures to rise, which is the second part of the increase.) to process.<br />
That is the key word here. We need to refine it before it can be used by internal combustion engines. In that I&#8217;ve been told that diesel is easier to refine than gasoline, I&#8217;m concerned that ignorance in diesel futures is driving the smaller independent truckers out of business, in that it is somewhere around $4.30 per gallon.<br />
Anyone familiar enough with the process to refute or confirm that?</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3871</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://novatownhall.com/2008/03/27/why-the-petrol-market-is-not-working/#comment-3871</guid>
		<description>inSanity,
Part I.
Just because someone I don't like does something smart, it does not mean I will then find reasons to discount it or demean it.  You might try that paradigm sometime old bean.

BTW France under that loser, low-life Chirac was a place I did not like. Sarkozy was to me just another cheese eating surrender monkey until he gave that amazing speach.  The guy gets it.  The following is the American experience distilled down to its essence:

"America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: "Come, and everything will be given to you." She said: "Come, and the only limits to what you'll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent." America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance."

That is a line that should be memorized and recited by every  American before they are 12.  America should use that paragraph as a greeting.  It should be drummed into our thick skulls. 

Part II.
As for powering automobiles with nuclear power it can be done.  Here is how ...
1. using electricity from a nuclear power plant break water down into its two components the result is H2 and O2.  

2. distribute the H2 to fuel stations by any number of means.

3. Use automobiles that run on H2, the by product from the combustion is water vapor.

The O2 has a myriad of industrial, military, medical and scholastic uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>inSanity,<br />
Part I.<br />
Just because someone I don&#8217;t like does something smart, it does not mean I will then find reasons to discount it or demean it.  You might try that paradigm sometime old bean.</p>
<p>BTW France under that loser, low-life Chirac was a place I did not like. Sarkozy was to me just another cheese eating surrender monkey until he gave that amazing speach.  The guy gets it.  The following is the American experience distilled down to its essence:</p>
<p>&#8220;America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: &#8220;Come, and everything will be given to you.&#8221; She said: &#8220;Come, and the only limits to what you&#8217;ll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent.&#8221; America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a line that should be memorized and recited by every  American before they are 12.  America should use that paragraph as a greeting.  It should be drummed into our thick skulls. </p>
<p>Part II.<br />
As for powering automobiles with nuclear power it can be done.  Here is how &#8230;<br />
1. using electricity from a nuclear power plant break water down into its two components the result is H2 and O2.  </p>
<p>2. distribute the H2 to fuel stations by any number of means.</p>
<p>3. Use automobiles that run on H2, the by product from the combustion is water vapor.</p>
<p>The O2 has a myriad of industrial, military, medical and scholastic uses.</p>
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