More On Abiotic Oil
April 19th, 2008 by joe
Potentially really important news (hat tip to Instapundit, who needs a “hat tip” from NVTH like Microsoft needs a bumper sticker on my truck).
Lost in the big news last week — the race for the Democratic nomination, the reeling U.S. economy, the ongoing life/death saga that is “Dancing with the Stars” — came word that a new deep-water exploration area off the coast of Brazil could contain as much as 33 billion barrels of oil…
In 1999, Gold published “The Deep Hot Biosphere,” a paper that postulated that coal and oil are produced not by the decomposition of fossils, but in fact are “abiogenic” — the product of tectonic forces; i.e., deeply embedded hydrocarbons being brought up and through the earth’s mantle and transformed into their present states by bacteria living in the earth’s crust.
If “fossil fuels” are in fact produced from within the Earth, and not as the result of the decomposition of ancient jungles, and “peak oil” is a flawed concept, it really would change everything.
Methane has been discovered on a moon of Jupiter, which was likely not ancient dinosaur and newt habitat, so the theory has plausibility.
Much more here.
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April 20th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
EVERYTHING?????
April 20th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
sweet, that’s a little over a years worth or the world’s consumption
April 20th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
excuse me, 33000000000/81000000=407
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2174.html
April 21st, 2008 at 7:19 am
If you believe in abiotic oil, I have some swampland in Florida to sell. Most of the so-called “deposits” that have been “discovered” so far are small, and most experts say that they could be the result of cracks in the earth that are adjacent to large oil deposits combined with high pressures that cause the oil to “migrate” through the cracks. The “new” oil that appears actually is existing old oil that was just moved from somewhere else. If abiotic oil was a reality, we would be seeing old empty deposits refilling with great frequency. That is simply not the case. In the typical large oil deposit, when the oil is gone the oil is gone. We for sure don’t need claims of abiotic oil to be allowed to justify our continued INSANE use of SUV’s when corn and soy are being used to backfill a WORLD oil SHORTAGE that is now causing millions to face starvation due to food shortages. I don’t know about you, but I am not about to give up my 34 mpg Honda Civic.
April 21st, 2008 at 11:08 am
obewan,
“If abiotic oil was a reality, we would be seeing old empty deposits refilling with great frequency”
And you know this how?
“We for sure don’t need claims of abiotic oil to be allowed to justify our continued INSANE use of SUV’s…..”
So that’s the cause. I thought it would be something like single-occupant vehicle use or disposable plastics or NASCAR (or any other internal combustion engine sport) but it is actually about mama running around town. Imagine that!
BTW. They CAN make cars get 100+ miles to the gallon. Why are you wasting all that fuel while people of the world are starving? Hummm?
April 21st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
How about checking with the US Geological Survey!
What the heck good would it do us earthlings if there were methane on a MOON OF JUPITER!!!!!!!!!!!! Not just Jupiter but a MOON of Jupiter!!!!!!!! And how was that discovered? Is the US spending money looking for methane in outer space? For real?
April 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pm
The point is that hydrocarbon fuel in another planet would lend credence to the abiotic oil theory - not that we would somehow mine the fuels. Sheesh.
I think the science is still out on this issue, but let’s hope that having Mr. Gold’s work brought into the discussion will force a more rigorous investigation.
April 21st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Gold died in 2002. At the end of a brief bio is this:
Executive summary: Certain that oil is not a fossil fuel.
April 21st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Yeah, I know he died. But his is an important voice to bring to the issue.
April 21st, 2008 at 8:04 pm
NoVisa,
Your turn. I suspect you are testing Joe’s patience….I mean intelligence!
April 21st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
ACT,
what are talking about. Joe survived the age of zimzo with his patience and marbles intact. Novisa is is a picnic in comaprison
April 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
It is usually the simplest things that are the most irritating (not intriguing). I would rather be stymied in chess instead of dominoes!
April 21st, 2008 at 11:27 pm
I don’t see how oil could possibly be a fossil fuel, given that the world is only 14,000 years old.
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:20 am
God put it there.
April 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I guess it would be more accurate to say this discovery would change “the fossil fuels debate” rather than “everything.”
The following is the type of development that would more likely change “everything.”
http://news.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=814826
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Joe,
Do you realize that you just inadvertantly discovered how the hydrocarbons got on the moon of Jupiter. It was ancient sky lanterns carrying mogwies’. Dead mogwies=fossil fuel. That is how Mars was able to populate the earth. I can’t wait to get at those oil fields on Mars. Then we can afford our SUV Martian rovers.
Could you tell me one thing. How long does it take to make a fossil fuel and who told you?
May 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
google: The Fake Oil Crisis of 1973
May 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am
google: 270207319478
May 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Abiotic oil … http://www.rense.com/general63/staline.htm
May 28th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Suppose crude oil is abiotic. Oil traps took ages to fill and once we empty them, we can expect to wait ages for them to refill, so from a production point of view, there should be no difference between abiotic and biotic oil. By the way, how old are the sub-salt strata?
June 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pm
The Smoking Gun of 9/11 … http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=212694
June 5th, 2008 at 12:52 am
What do most people know about petroleum? Besides it makes their car run?
Not much besides what somebody told them, or possibly what they read in a book, or most likely what they saw on T.V. as a kid.
The hard science for abiotic oil is solid. More than can be said for “fossil” theory.
Oil Is Mastery is a website devoted to abiotic oil theory with scientific papers, history on the petroleum controversy — hint, it goes back well over a century, news articles, and ongoing commemtary with direct links — one stop shopping.
Most of the comments like “…I got swamp land in Florida…” are from people who never looked into the science of abiotic oil, or have an agenda, or are just closed-minded and are parroting what they were told as a child.
Science doesn’t wear blinders, neither should you — take a look at the science.
June 15th, 2008 at 8:41 am
There are swamps in Florida douchebag.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:32 am
“>>Most of the comments like “…I got swamp land in Florida…” are from people who never looked into the science of abiotic oil, or have an agenda, or are just closed-minded and are parroting what they were told as a child.<<”
I have looked at the science, and I don’t blindly accept it. There are a number of respected experts who debunk the theory. Those who accept it are just as closed minded and are parroting the results of only a few sites in the world where oil has been replenished in small quantities for unknown reasons. Even if abiotic oil is a reality, if it takes millions of years for a deposit to build up, there is no benefit relative to the current world crisis.
www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011205_no_free_pt2.shtml
www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1195910
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre…free_pt2.shtml · http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre…otic_oil.shtml
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Radiation-induced cancer
google: we got nuked on 9/11
July 17th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
To Obewan:
You are ready to buy swamp land in Florida with the sites you gave.
These people all have agendas.
You read those pieces carefully and you realize there is no hard science for “fossil” theory.
There is an abundance for Abiotic Oil.
Oil Is Mastery.
The truth about oil is on this website.
Obewan, your stuff is garbage.
Meet me over at Oil Is Mastery and I’ll debate any point you want.
Oil is a mineral.
July 25th, 2008 at 6:42 am
The oil fields replenish over decades, not millions of years. As the oil is removed,pressure is relieved and allows more oil to enter the field. Many examples exist of oil fields that continue to produce long after they should have been “empty”.
The Russians, who generally use abiotic oil theory to guide their search for oil are as much as 60% successful in wells drilled. They have been doing this since the 1940s and are now a leading oil producer. We get about 1 in 28 wells actually working,which is no better than drilling at random (i.e., same as what we would get without the help of our “fossil” oil petroleum engineers).
Most of the arguments against abioitic oil have to ignore really tough questions, like how does helium find its way into oil if it is made from fossils? The possibility of oil seeping below granite from above thru so-called “cracks” is preposterous from a geological perspective (like trying to get your SUV to run uphill without a motor), yet there is indeed oil found below granite and basalt base rock.