What We Need Everywhere
April 22nd, 2008 by ACTivist
This came to me recently and I just wanted to share it. If you don’t know who Sheriff Joe is I would suggest you go read the book. He is a criminals’ and liberals’ worst nightmare and the best thing that ever happened to a part of Arizona (yes, I just excluded John McCain).
Update on Joe ArpaioOh, there’s MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars
a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe
offered to take the department over, and the County
Supervisors said okay.The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by
prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every
animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition
and behavior.. They give great classes for anyone who’d
like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs
off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and
had them place in dog shows The best part? His budget for the entire department is
now under $3 million Teresa and I adopted a Weimeraner
from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was
neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him.
Cost us $78.The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be
out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is
for utilities, bu ilding maintenance, etc. He pays the
prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals..I have long wondered when the rest of the country would
take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy
some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the
county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow
most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the
work and harvesting by hand. He has a pretty good sized
hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes
the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and
you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the
Holidays, and plant it later. We have six trees in our
yard from the Prison. Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vo te.Now he’s in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn’t doing enough in his eyes,
so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing
immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought
4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border.
He’s kind of a ‘Git-R Dun’ kind of Sheriff.
TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO
HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF
AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ) who created the ‘ Tent City Jail’:He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them..
He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails.
Wouldn’t Get Sued For Discrimination.He took away cable TV Until he found out there was
a Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails
So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In The
Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.
When asked why the weather channel He Replied,
So They Will Know How Hot Its Gonna Be While
They Are Working ON My Chain Gangs.
He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.
When the inmates complained, he told them, ‘This Isn’t
The Ritz/Carlton…If You Don’t Like It, Don’t Come Back.’
He bought Newt Gingrich’s lecture series on videotape
that he pipes into the jails.
When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series
by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture
series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in
his jails in the first place.
More On The Arizona Sheriff:With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press Reports:About 2,000 Inmates Living In A Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts.On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were
either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the
tents, which reached 138 Degrees Inside The Week Before.
Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat
Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their
PINK SOCKS.‘It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,’ Said James Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year. ‘It’s Inhumane.’Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent
city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink,
and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic.
‘Its 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living
In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear,
But They Didn’t Commit Any Crimes,
So Shut Y our Damned Mouths!’
Way To Go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it’s time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can’t afford to have for themselves.
I’m not advacating a pig farm in Loudoun County (unless it is in the open area out west. Pigs are smelly creatures) but much of his principles could be applied here. I’m up for it. How about you?
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April 22nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
AN AMERICAN HERO, NO LESS !!! THE AMERICAN WAY !!!
(The stuff about baloney and pink shorts is so old, I can’t believe you haven’t read it years ago.)
Whisper (slave labor, mistreatment, supersized ego, and more)
With such “training” why don’t they get shipped to Iraq as “cannon” fodder?
April 22nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
“They Will Know How Hot Its Gonna Be While
They Are Working ON My Chain Gangs.”
ROTFLMAO!!!!
ARPAIO FOR PRESIDENT!!!
This is my kind of guy, “get er du”n indeed. Jail is not a place to watch porno, workout, get bigger and become a better criminal.
ARPAIO FOR PRESIDENT!!!
and he takes care of puppies!!
April 22nd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
One question: He cut out coffee because of no nutritional value, but feeds the prisoners bologna sandwiches?
Just kidding, Arpaio is a common sense conservative.
And he takes care of puppies!!!Yipee!
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 pm
NoVisa,
Everyone knows about the shorts and sandwiches. Most (including you I’m sure) didn’t know most of this other stuff. And there is that much more in his book. American hero? You bet. He does what should and NEEDS to be done. He gets away with it because it is legal. I wish our sheriff had the fortitude to do 1/10th of what Sheriff Joe does.
Do you work for the ACLU or are you part of the DNC? You just don’t seem to like those things that save the taxpayer dollars and that are againest the law. What, you a communist?
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I believe that humans are humans and anybody who can rejoice at the fact that fellow humans are living in tents where the temp. has reached 138F must have a very cruel mind.
As for our soldiers - it must be awful to live in tents in the desert and wear all that gear but, don’t forget, they VOLUNTEERED to join the military. They were not drafted.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Oh, as for being a communist. Sur! McCarthy tried to nail me over 50 years ago, but Roy Cohn could never find enough dirt. He stood there and said: “I have here in my hand ….” but it wasn’t enough. So there! I’m clean.
I gave up my membership in the Damn Nasty Communist (DNC)
club long time ago.
Lastly, I don’t like “those things that save the taxpayer dollars” if it means cruelty to one’s fellow man/woman.
- I’ve REALLY got to go to bed -
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Ditto on the Arpaio for president sentiment.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:19 am
Lovisa, You are old enough to have had McCarthy after you? The last vestige of the left is to throw McCarthy’s name out and expect total silence like they “got you.” Big raspberry right back.
Also Lovisa, these are criminals. They volunteered for their time as well, by committing crimes. Don’t do the crime and all that.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 am
Nah, Cathymac, Old Joe McCarthy wasn’t after me, but Yes, I’m old enough that he COULD have been. The House Unamerican Activities Committee in the 50s was the most unAmerican thing I think I’ve seen in my rather long life, and I don’t want to see anything like it again. Hate and suspicion and fear overtaking reason. THAT’s unAmerican IMO.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 am
Lovisa, If you are old enough you must remember that Joe McCarthy was a Senator, not involved in the HOUSE Un-American Activities Committee.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 am
NoVisa,
You are old enough to be my great grandmother! I’m not old enough to remember anything after the 60’s. And what is so cruel about making criminals feel like they did something wrong and are second-class citizens? Remember, you can’t factor in compassion when dealing with crime. Where there is one exception to the rule there will be others. That ends up becoming anarchy and chaos.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:30 am
Lovisa,
The convicts in Arpaio committed criminal acts because they were forced to? They volunteered as well, and frankly they deserve to sweat. You appear overly concerned with the inconveniences of the criminal and way too casual about the suffering of our troops.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
jacob - Wrong on both counts. I am not overly concerned with in “inconveniences” of the criminal. I AM concerned about the US getting a reputation of CRUELTY.
I am VERY concerned about the troops. First of all, they shouldn’t have to be in Iraq to begin with. And when they get back home they are not treated well when it comes to medical and pshychiatric care; no GI bill for the young ones to help with education. I don’t know whether there’s anything like the old GI bill when it comes to buying a house. Without the educational GI bill my husband and most of his buddies would never have been able to go college, neither would we have been able to buy a home.
Believe me, I CARE ABOUT THE TROOPS. Does that mean that it’s OK for this civilized country to use cruelty on those whose crimes consist of being here illegally to satisfy old Joe’s in Arizona thirst for whatever it is he’s thirsting for.
One fact still stands though: THE TROOPS VOLUNTEERED
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Cathymac 10:56 am - Joe McCarthy might not have been a MEMBER of HUAC but he was extremely active in everything they did. I remember very well when he came to San Francisco.
“After the downfall of Senator McCarty the prestige of HUAC began a gradual decline. By 1959 the committee was denounced by former President Truman as: *the most un-American thing in the country today*”
Amazing to think that after McCarthy Wisconsin elected William Proxmire, one of the truly great senators IMO.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Actually Lovisa, McCarthy was not extremely active in any House Committee. As a matter of fact, I can’t think of a time in history where a Senator or House Member has worked extensively on a committee of the other body, it is just not done. There are joint efforts with each body represented, but not only are there rules within each body that prohibit certain participation, there are also some very fragile egos on each side of Congress.
The committees in the Senate dealing with the Communist Threat were the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (wikipedia reference, so take it for what it is worth).
If you wanted to claim that McCarthy was a force behind the ” 2nd Red Scare” I would agree. Despite the maligning of McCarthy, and his antics, the Communist threat was real. To claim otherwise is ignorance, much like saying McCarthy worked on the House UnAmerican Activities Committee. Facts are funny things.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Lovisa, The GI Bill is still active, where do you get your information?
Go to Military.com as follow the links.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Lovisa,
OK. The what am i suuposed to think when I read …
“As for our soldiers - it must be awful to live in tents in the desert and wear all that gear but, don’t forget, they VOLUNTEERED to join the military. They were not drafted.”
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Man, I’m getting barraged from all sides here.
Cathymac, did you live during the McCarthy era? My info isn’t from reading about that era of US history - I LIVED it. You actually seem to defend him! My info might be lacking in detailed accuracy, but I DO KNOW that Joe McCarthy worked with HUAC, no matter what the history books tell you.
I hadn’t heard about a current GI bill, but I’m very happy that it exists. Will look it up. Thanks!
jacob - I’m not telling you what you are supposed to think. I’m simply stating fact> The soldiers VOLUNTEERED. This is their JOB, their DUTY. They MUST follow orders or else. I guess what I mean is that nobody is forced to join the armed forces, as far as I know. But, then again, since I’m wrong on most other points, I might be wrong here too. Enlighten me, please!
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
” but I DO KNOW that Joe McCarthy worked with HUAC”
Please explain how Senator McCarthy worked with a House committee, very curious about this..
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Lovisa,
you in effect are saying that the soldiers broiling in the heat is not cruel because they volunteered. No, it is not cruel because they have a job to do and the military does its best to keep our guys alive and happy given the limits of the mission, volunteer or draftee.
You then say the criminals should not broil because they did not volunteer to do so. I have news for you, they did volunteer, they did so when they broke the law.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
FOR PETE’S SAKE - In 138F degrees IT IS CRUEL FOR EVERYBODY TO WORK, FIGHT, RUN MARATHONS, SLEEP, MAKE LOVE, PAVE ROADS, PUT ON ROOFS, DIG DITCHES, PICK SPINACH, TOMATOES, STRAWBERRIES, ARTICHOKES,,,,,,,add whatever you wish.
dan - Since everybody here seems to know so much more about McCarthy than I do I fold; I believe that McCarthy had NOTHING to do with HUAC if you say so. OK? Guess having been there doesn’t count.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:58 pm
McCarthy was a drunk and a bully showman.
Other than that he was right. For anyone who wants to bypass the hype, the historical facts are there to examine.
Just remember, those who most loudly denounced McCarthy were the same ones who told us the Rosenberg’s were innocent.
Consider the source(s).
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Lovisa, You hadn’t heard about the current GI Bill? It never went away. Shows how up to par you are current events, which leads me to question your living history account of Senator McCarthy. You said you were “there” - where? Sen McCarthy’s office? Please give us your information.
It seems you believe that because you remember that time that you are an expert. Well, gosh darn Andy, I must be an expert on Watergate, the end of the Vietnam War, anything that happened in the 70’s-present, because I lived it.
I don’t defend McCarthy’s tactics, but I will defend his actions against the Communist threat. Yelling “McCarthyism” is a tactic of the left to silence dissent and the truth, it was used successfully for decades due to Political Correctness and ignorance, both of which you are guilty of Lovisa.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Thank you all for your compassion, advise, information, belittling , history lessons, accusations, blablabla. Almost as bad as being in one of Joe’s tent camps at 138F. It must feel good to know that you know so much and that YOU are the ones who know so much more than I do. Virtual reality is more important than real reality.
Remembering is not expertise, but having been there and felt the feeling the fear of loosing one’s livelihood because of a false accusation gives a little bit of “expertise”. The lives of many innocent people were ruined. (No, Cathymac, I don’t know how many and I was not in McCarthy’s office. Is that a requirement for making comments?)
Cathymac, especially, seems to relish putting me down.
I never said I was an expert on any subject and maybe you ARE an “expert on Watergate, the end of the Vietnam War, anything that happened in the 70s-present, because I lived it”. Might it be possible that you ARE more of an expert than those who did NOT live through that era?
I’m guilty of both Political Correctness and ignorance!?!? THAT is McCarthyism; throwing accusations without grounds.
And to think that all this came from my one flip response to ACTivist’s comment on 22 April @ 10:40 am. Whew! And, Cathymac, enjoy all your knowledge and non-ignorance. You’re truly blessed to feel so superior to us less endowed.
April 24th, 2008 at 7:46 am
Lovisa,
You sound frustrated, are you expected people here to agree with you? As for knowing more than you do, if you imply there is no longer a GI bill, you will get called on it. As for this place being like in Arpaio’s 138F tents, you volunteered.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:01 am
How ’bout the lives being ruined right now in Texas for a false accusation? Has the anonymous caller been found? An anonymous call is not sufficient ground for a search and seisure in any case. This is religious persecution, plain and simple.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Jack,
They are in polygamous marriages, both the men and the women can be charged with that at this point. Not having a marriage license is not a shield. I am waiting to see if they now raid some compound of hippie fruitloops and pull the same routine.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:22 am
I think you’re on shaky legal ground here. While it may be within the states’ power to grant only one marriage license at a time to an individual, marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution, and does not depend on the government. (Similarly, I don’t mind if the homosexuals want to go the the Church of the Cosmic Spaghetti Monster and get married, so long as the government does not endorse it. I’d just as soon have the government out of the marriage business altogether.)
When was the last time you ever heard of someone’s being prosecuted for adultery? If Texas is going to try to prosecute these men for polygamy, they had better be willing to go after all the adulterers in the state, too.
In the case of consentual polygamy, who is the victim?
BTW, you will not find polygamy condemned in the Bible either. It was quite common in the Old Testament, and even Jesus gave us the parable of the Bridegroom and the Ten Virgins.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Lovisa, Please stop. You were ignorant of the existence of the GI bill and McCarthy’s HUAC involvement. You use language like: “Remembering is not expertise, but having been there and felt the feeling the fear of loosing one’s livelihood because of a false accusation gives a little bit of “expertise”.
Felt the feeling? Yes, liberalese. You feel therefore you know, as in Bill Clinton “feeling someone’s pain.” How about working from facts? Or using historical evidence instead of just feeling history. McCarthyism my butt, calling someone ignorant because they don’t know the facts and accusing someone of a PC stmts is not McCarthyism. Please use the term correctly. Seperate the use of the term and what actually happened during that era.
LAstly, just because you got corrected doesn’t meant the corrector is superior, it just makes you “feel” bad. I have a suggestion, before you feel anymore history, do a little research and you won’t get “attacked” - a little preparation goes a long way.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Jack,
“BTW, you will not find polygamy condemned in the Bible either. It was quite common in the Old Testament, and even Jesus gave us the parable of the Bridegroom and the Ten Virgins.”
Yes, but two things, first in the new testament to be an elder, you could only marry one wife. Secondly, whenever a patriarch, or a king, married more than one wife, or effectively had more than one wife trouble ensued. I can point out numerous such examples. Can you point to a single example of where there was peace in a polygamous relationship, or peace came out of adding a another wife to the mix?
April 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Jack,
No, the caller has not been found. The last thing I read was they were looking at a Colorado women who has a history of filing false police complaints. Personally I believe that ad the FACTS come out, the Texas authorities will be in CYA mode, if not there already.
I too believe this is simple religious persecution, much like the Branch Davidians, less the gun control element. Least here Wesley Clarke did not get a chance to flatten the compound with his tanks.
Jacob,
I can also point out several monogamous relationships where peace and harmony was nonexistent. Your comment really makes no point to speak of.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Cathymac,
I’m still trying to figure out if you are my wife. There just can’t be 2 women in the world with the same lust and passion for truth, justice, the American way and, at times, BLOOD!
April 24th, 2008 at 9:32 am
NoVisa,
We aren’t looking for superiority here, only truth. And, yes, truth is relative and can be YOUR truth which is different from MY truth. We don’t give compassion unless something or someone dies. That is entirely up to Joe and he refuses to dole out compassion. He feels his blog is not for the faint at heart. He espescially doesn’t want any weak “girly” men commenting here. So there you have it. Toughen that hide and get back on that horse. Just remember, what ever weapon you use, bring ammunition for it.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:34 am
“Yes, but two things, first in the new testament to be an elder, you could only marry one wife.”
Granted. One gives a man perspective, more take up too much time to have any left for the church.
“Secondly, whenever a patriarch, or a king, married more than one wife, or effectively had more than one wife trouble ensued. I can point out numerous such examples. Can you point to a single example of where there was peace in a polygamous relationship, or peace came out of adding a another wife to the mix?”
No, but you are arguing that because something was not mentioned, it did not exist. Good marriages make boring stories.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:41 am
“Good marriages make boring stories.”
Queer statement to make although it has some truth to it (as far as story telling). I would like to think that children can relay their parents marraige with the passing of time to be something funny, exciting and worthwhile. Isn’t that how legends begin-simply?
April 24th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Cathymac:
“Lovisa, Please stop.”
Yes, maam!
April 24th, 2008 at 10:55 am
“more take up too much time to have any left for the church.”
Time and money.. Can’t imagine a poor soul tithing with two or more wives with credit cards..
April 24th, 2008 at 11:02 am
“Good marriages make boring stories.”
Good marriage make good children..
April 24th, 2008 at 11:14 am
ACTivist, I am still laughing. I can get a bit feisty, but hey, why do anything half way? Your wife sounds like a wonderful lady - haha!
Lovisa, I can’t believe you just gave me the “Yes, ma’am” - a truce has been called.
Good sparring helps brain function.
April 24th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Dan,
“I can also point out several monogamous relationships where peace and harmony was nonexistent.”
True, but unlike the polygamous marriages there where several mongamous relationships that DID do well.
” Your comment really makes no point to speak of.”
Actually it did, the trouble is that it went right over your head. You’re built to low the fast ones go right past too. Next time, I’ll draw you a picture.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Cathymac - Truce? No, I concede defeat. There’s no way I can compete in your category. I’ll lick my wounds and find other outlets for my brain function, thank you.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Jacob,
Although I am built low (and wider than I would like), I do have good vertical abilities.. I doubt that one of your lobbed softballs would go over my head..
Actually there were many polygamous marriages that did well also, as Jack points out, at one point it was the norm.
“And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.”
April 24th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Dan,
Oooh. I forgot about Gideon. OK. Guess that was a noted polygamous relationship that did not end with lousy sons. Touche’
April 24th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
You conservatives just go gaga over any blowhard jerk. Remember that a lot of the people in a county jail have been convicted of NOTHING, and just could not throw bail. I hope you get thrown in a slam like that the next time some of you screw up. Oh, but Daddy and his lawyer will come to your rescue.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
“Remember that a lot of the people in a county jail have been convicted of NOTHING, and just could not throw bail.”
What? Is there some kind of point here? And the term used is “could not MAKE bail.”
April 25th, 2008 at 9:18 am
ACT,
ignore him. Harvey is the name of an invisible kangaroo. Obviously wets his bed too. Shows up, has nothing to say other than personal attacks. More than likely drives a Yugo.
April 25th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Jacob,
I have. Yugo too!
April 27th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Harvey does make one good point … if someone falsely accuses a person of a crime, they can easily wind up on jail — and there is just one jail in Sheriff Joe’s county. Those that are found innocent are being essentially punished along with the guilty. If there were two jails, one for convicted criminals, and another for those awaiting trial, I’d have no problem with his jail at all. As it is, those that are innocent (both those that are truly not guilty of crime and those that have not [or not yet] been convicted) suffer what I would call true punishment.
April 27th, 2008 at 8:35 am
I have mixed feelings about him … I used to work for the American Correctional Association, so I’ve seen my share of jails and prisons and have talked to lots of inmates and corrections officers and administrators.
Most folks in corrections see the restriction of freedom (i.e., incarceration) as the only punishment they have been authorized by the courts/state/people to administer. They view their responsibility as keeping the inmates safe within that mandate. If there are opportunities to rehabilitate, great, but not in the form of added punishment.
So, is Sheriff Joe overstepping the bounds of what our criminal justice system calls for? And if corrections administrators are given this type of latitude, what is the potential for abuse of that “power”?
RE: the innocents, that is a good point. Jails are in fact the hardest corrections facilities to manage because you have all levels of security risk, all levels of suicide risk, innocent people and guilty people all in one facility. My guess is that he does not put those awaiting trial into these programs.
I will say, the part about helping puppies seems pretty cool.
April 27th, 2008 at 9:02 am
We may be jumping to conclusions here, there is nothing in any of the articles I have read that states those who are detained before conviction are incarcerated at the tent city. Maricopa county is HUGE. Arpaio has a jurisdiction wih over 4 million people, this is just not a rural empty place. Furthermore, there is nothing that in our founding documents states we have to provide AC, porno or weights to convicts or detainees. It is not ‘punishment’ to not provide these luxuries.