Comments on: What We Need Everywhere http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/ NOVA TownHall Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:39:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4822 jacob Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:02:38 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4822 We may be jumping to conclusions here, there is nothing in any of the articles I have read that states those who are detained before conviction are incarcerated at the tent city. Maricopa county is HUGE. Arpaio has a jurisdiction wih over 4 million people, this is just not a rural empty place. Furthermore, there is nothing that in our founding documents states we have to provide AC, porno or weights to convicts or detainees. It is not 'punishment' to not provide these luxuries. We may be jumping to conclusions here, there is nothing in any of the articles I have read that states those who are detained before conviction are incarcerated at the tent city. Maricopa county is HUGE. Arpaio has a jurisdiction wih over 4 million people, this is just not a rural empty place. Furthermore, there is nothing that in our founding documents states we have to provide AC, porno or weights to convicts or detainees. It is not ‘punishment’ to not provide these luxuries.

]]> By: Linda B http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4821 Linda B Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:35:27 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4821 I have mixed feelings about him ... I used to work for the American Correctional Association, so I've seen my share of jails and prisons and have talked to lots of inmates and corrections officers and administrators. Most folks in corrections see the restriction of freedom (i.e., incarceration) as the only punishment they have been authorized by the courts/state/people to administer. They view their responsibility as keeping the inmates safe within that mandate. If there are opportunities to rehabilitate, great, but not in the form of added punishment. So, is Sheriff Joe overstepping the bounds of what our criminal justice system calls for? And if corrections administrators are given this type of latitude, what is the potential for abuse of that "power"? RE: the innocents, that is a good point. Jails are in fact the hardest corrections facilities to manage because you have all levels of security risk, all levels of suicide risk, innocent people and guilty people all in one facility. My guess is that he does not put those awaiting trial into these programs. I will say, the part about helping puppies seems pretty cool. I have mixed feelings about him … I used to work for the American Correctional Association, so I’ve seen my share of jails and prisons and have talked to lots of inmates and corrections officers and administrators.

Most folks in corrections see the restriction of freedom (i.e., incarceration) as the only punishment they have been authorized by the courts/state/people to administer. They view their responsibility as keeping the inmates safe within that mandate. If there are opportunities to rehabilitate, great, but not in the form of added punishment.

So, is Sheriff Joe overstepping the bounds of what our criminal justice system calls for? And if corrections administrators are given this type of latitude, what is the potential for abuse of that “power”?

RE: the innocents, that is a good point. Jails are in fact the hardest corrections facilities to manage because you have all levels of security risk, all levels of suicide risk, innocent people and guilty people all in one facility. My guess is that he does not put those awaiting trial into these programs.

I will say, the part about helping puppies seems pretty cool.

]]> By: Brian Withnell http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4820 Brian Withnell Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:19:15 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4820 Harvey does make one good point ... if someone falsely accuses a person of a crime, they can easily wind up on jail -- and there is just one jail in Sheriff Joe's county. Those that are found innocent are being essentially punished along with the guilty. If there were two jails, one for convicted criminals, and another for those awaiting trial, I'd have no problem with his jail at all. As it is, those that are innocent (both those that are truly not guilty of crime and those that have not [or not yet] been convicted) suffer what I would call true punishment. Harvey does make one good point … if someone falsely accuses a person of a crime, they can easily wind up on jail — and there is just one jail in Sheriff Joe’s county. Those that are found innocent are being essentially punished along with the guilty. If there were two jails, one for convicted criminals, and another for those awaiting trial, I’d have no problem with his jail at all. As it is, those that are innocent (both those that are truly not guilty of crime and those that have not [or not yet] been convicted) suffer what I would call true punishment.

]]> By: ACTivist http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4793 ACTivist Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:12:17 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4793 Jacob, I have. Yugo too! :grin: Jacob,
I have. Yugo too! :grin:

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4776 jacob Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:18:27 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4776 ACT, ignore him. Harvey is the name of an invisible kangaroo. Obviously wets his bed too. Shows up, has nothing to say other than personal attacks. More than likely drives a Yugo. ACT,
ignore him. Harvey is the name of an invisible kangaroo. Obviously wets his bed too. Shows up, has nothing to say other than personal attacks. More than likely drives a Yugo.

]]> By: ACTivist http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4756 ACTivist Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:38:46 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4756 "Remember that a lot of the people in a county jail have been convicted of NOTHING, and just could not throw bail." What? Is there some kind of point here? And the term used is "could not MAKE bail." “Remember that a lot of the people in a county jail have been convicted of NOTHING, and just could not throw bail.”

What? Is there some kind of point here? And the term used is “could not MAKE bail.”

]]> By: Harvey http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4746 Harvey Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:55:27 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4746 You conservatives just go gaga over any blowhard jerk. Remember that a lot of the people in a county jail have been convicted of NOTHING, and just could not throw bail. I hope you get thrown in a slam like that the next time some of you screw up. Oh, but Daddy and his lawyer will come to your rescue. You conservatives just go gaga over any blowhard jerk. Remember that a lot of the people in a county jail have been convicted of NOTHING, and just could not throw bail. I hope you get thrown in a slam like that the next time some of you screw up. Oh, but Daddy and his lawyer will come to your rescue.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4736 jacob Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:54:08 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4736 Dan, Oooh. I forgot about Gideon. OK. Guess that was a noted polygamous relationship that did not end with lousy sons. Touche' Dan,
Oooh. I forgot about Gideon. OK. Guess that was a noted polygamous relationship that did not end with lousy sons. Touche’

]]> By: dan http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4735 dan Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:42:14 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4735 Jacob, Although I am built low (and wider than I would like), I do have good vertical abilities.. I doubt that one of your lobbed softballs would go over my head.. Actually there were many polygamous marriages that did well also, as Jack points out, at one point it was the norm. "And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives." Jacob,

Although I am built low (and wider than I would like), I do have good vertical abilities.. I doubt that one of your lobbed softballs would go over my head..

Actually there were many polygamous marriages that did well also, as Jack points out, at one point it was the norm.

“And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.”

]]> By: Lovisa http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4734 Lovisa Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:17:23 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4734 Cathymac - Truce? No, I concede defeat. There's no way I can compete in your category. I'll lick my wounds and find other outlets for my brain function, thank you. Cathymac - Truce? No, I concede defeat. There’s no way I can compete in your category. I’ll lick my wounds and find other outlets for my brain function, thank you.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4733 jacob Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:50:06 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4733 Dan, "I can also point out several monogamous relationships where peace and harmony was nonexistent." True, but unlike the polygamous marriages there where several mongamous relationships that DID do well. " Your comment really makes no point to speak of." Actually it did, the trouble is that it went right over your head. You're built to low the fast ones go right past too. Next time, I'll draw you a picture. :grin: Dan,
“I can also point out several monogamous relationships where peace and harmony was nonexistent.”
True, but unlike the polygamous marriages there where several mongamous relationships that DID do well.

” Your comment really makes no point to speak of.”
Actually it did, the trouble is that it went right over your head. You’re built to low the fast ones go right past too. Next time, I’ll draw you a picture. :grin:

]]> By: Cathymac http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4730 Cathymac Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:14:39 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4730 ACTivist, I am still laughing. I can get a bit feisty, but hey, why do anything half way? Your wife sounds like a wonderful lady - haha! Lovisa, I can't believe you just gave me the "Yes, ma'am" - a truce has been called. Good sparring helps brain function. ACTivist, I am still laughing. I can get a bit feisty, but hey, why do anything half way? Your wife sounds like a wonderful lady - haha!

Lovisa, I can’t believe you just gave me the “Yes, ma’am” - a truce has been called.

Good sparring helps brain function.

]]> By: dan http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4729 dan Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:02:30 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4729 “Good marriages make boring stories.” Good marriage make good children.. “Good marriages make boring stories.”

Good marriage make good children..

]]> By: dan http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4727 dan Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:55:30 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4727 "more take up too much time to have any left for the church." Time and money.. Can't imagine a poor soul tithing with two or more wives with credit cards.. “more take up too much time to have any left for the church.”

Time and money.. Can’t imagine a poor soul tithing with two or more wives with credit cards..

]]> By: Lovisa http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4726 Lovisa Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:43:35 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/04/22/what-we-need-everywhere/#comment-4726 Cathymac: "Lovisa, Please stop." Yes, maam! Cathymac:

“Lovisa, Please stop.”

Yes, maam!

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