Time for a Party
May 6th, 2008 by jacob
Reading More McCain Troubles, I realize the Republicans managed to give the nod to a candidate who will be worse for the country than Obama. I am staying home. Lets have a party on election day. I think getting blind drunk is the only proper response to my country shooting itself in the foot.
Hopefully, Limabaugh’s operation chaos does not land “Her Thighness” in the white house. An Obama presidency is what we deserve and need. Just as only Nixon could go to China, without Carter we would not have gotten Reagan. We need a new Reagan. The current crop of Republican candidates had its good and bad points. McCain was the worst in the lot with the exception of Huckabee. So who did we get? McCain and Huckabee as the last two men standing.
McCain is the result of independents and Democrats voting in our primary elections. Huckabee is the result of my fellow evangelicals voting for a guy, just because he is an evangelical; this is akin to women voting for Hillary just because she is a woman. In short, grow up people; Huckabee is a populist big government big spender who would have sunk us even further into debt.
I think one of the good things that will come out of this election cycle will be closed primaries. The party should choose its own candidate. Having the other side do it for you makes NO sense at all. Also, allowing the other party to come into your primaries and keep the contest going also makes no sense. We are in a very real sense subverting the process. What we got in McCain was a vindictive old coot who hates his own party more than he does the opposition. In the Democrat party the result was a war of grievance groups who, despite what the dreamers think, will more than likely stay home when their candidate loses the party nod.
Neither party is more important than the country. The left wing of the Republican party has hijacked the ticket this year. It is time for conservatives to give these elites the proper response and stay home, get plastered, and weep for the country. I will see it as a good old fashioned Irish Wake, we will raise a toast to the dearly departed, and hope for better days, and the glory to come.
UPDATE I:
To all who think we need to go grave robbing, I am not looking for Reagan reincarnate, I am looking for someone who will take up the conservative mantle and do it his own way. McCain is not the man by any stretch, he hates conservatives because they preferred GWB in 2000. Furthermore, I am looking for someone who is not just conservative, but someone who IS A conservative. There is a world of difference.
I am not measuring them by the Reagan Yardstick but by the Buckley Test. To have conservative instincts is not enough. One must have a conservative frame of mind, and understand what does it mean to be conservative and most importantly formulate conservative solutions to the problems of the day. Being pro-life or pro-gun or anti-tax is not enough. One must have a framework through which one then formulates solutions to problems. GWB is right on the three issues above but his solutions to problems are not conservative in nature.
McCain is even worse, his solutions to issues will be based on getting adulation from the left and to stroke his “Mr Maverick” image. The dolt has come to believe his own press. He may have a conservative fiscal instinct, but he is not A conservative, and I am done supporting ersatz conservatives and RINO Republicans.
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May 6th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Jacob, I do agree with you that moderate Republicans have had a significant impact on the McCain candidacy. The lesson here is that the conservative Republicans could not elect a conservative candidate. The primary results were somewhat akin to the Little Big Horn don’t you think ? If conservatives can’t win the primary, how are they going to win a general election ?
Personally I believe absent the big time macaca screw up, Allen would be the candidate.
It is also my humble opinion that the conservative Republicans who are waiting for a Reagan reincarnate need to move on, not going to happen. Measuring candidates by the Reagan yardstick is dooming them to failure, in light of the fact that many of Reagan’s miscues have been swept under the rug for the sake of building his legacy.
Bottom line, if you stay home on election day, at the least you are doing your party a disservice. At most it is civil negligence, and the cheapening of a right provided you by the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:38 am
I basically agree with Dan, although let’s not forget the dynamics of having the Huckster stay in the race and bleed votes from Romney.
McCain needs a shot across the bow in May or he will be dog meat in November, no matter how stupid the Democrats turn out to be.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Dan,
The moderates had a lot of help from the independents and the democrats especially in the early state. McLame should be a forgotten man by now, but he is not.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I would prefer a protest vote.
How ’bout Duck Dodgers?
May 6th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Jacob,
“The moderates had a lot of help from the independents and the democrats ”
This may be a plausible assumption, but it remains an assumption. Even if it were true, the same is true of the Democratic primaries is it not ?
The last four elections have been for a lesser of two evils. Why should we expect this one to be any different ? Electing Obama in hopes that this will result in a Reagan-like Phoenix rising from the ashes of the country is a pipe dream. Four years of a socialist president is four years too many. Much can be done to screw things up in four years, look at W’s second term. The thought of an Obama or Clinton presidency scares the s**t out of me, with the current majorities in the House and Senate. It should scare the s**t out of you too. If there is a singular reason for McCain winning, this is it. While I do not agree with McCain on some issues, I do agree with him on several.
Imho, staying home on election day is akin to saying “I quit” on the American Dream.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Jacob,
My attitude toward McCain is simply; “there must be a pony in there somewhere”.
With Clinton or Obama, the room is just full of you know what..
May 6th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Jacob,
Just saw your updates at the top.
“I am looking for someone who is not just conservative, but someone who IS A conservative. ”
Even if the cost of this is losing the general election ? Ideology trumps pragmatism ?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Dan,
We allowed pragmatism to trump ideology, and got GWB, a few more presidents like this joker and conservatives will still be around, but republicans will go the way of the dodo. Is that pragmatic to you?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Dan,
One more thing, voting like a leming for whatever yellow dog my party puts on the ticket is NOT doing my party a disservice? Racing with the Democrat to the political nadir and stamping my approval with a vote is a good thing? Wake up. The party is committing suicide and I am not going to assist it, you can, go ahead. As an American you ave the god given right to do anything you want, don’t try to tell me its smart or noble. I have come to the conclusion that I cannot vote for Fudd.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Jacob,
I agree with you the party is committing suicide. This is something that I would have hoped the GOP learned in 2006. Fiscally, the House and Senate were tilted to the left. Your comment about GWB, well, I voted for McCain in the 2k primary, you ?
Where we differ is your view that staunch conservatism is the answer. I am one of those individuals that the conservatives call a liberal, and the liberals call a right winger. I am a moderate, of which there are many more like me in, and supporting the GOP. I believe it is fallacious that conservatives own the GOP. Although it is true the liberal and the conservative vote can be a spoiler, they alone cannot elect a candidate.
Lively, spirited debate, gets the juices flowing doesn’t it ?
later dude..
May 6th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Dan,
look at history. Reagan ruled as a conservative, GHWB did not. Who will history treat better?
May 6th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Jacob,
Part of the GOP fix, imho, is honoring Reagan’s legacy for what it was, but also letting go.
The party needs to stop looking for the next Reagan, as if it continues to do so, it will be a long wait by the side of the road.
What size t-shirt do you wear ?
May 6th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Dan,
So looking for someone to actually like a conservative is waiting by the side of the road? Get real. Its all that squishy, touchy-feely, compassionate conservative reach-across-the-aisle crap that has landed us in this mess.
Bush has gone down this route. Just because the Democrat party won’t admit it got lots of federal money pumped into its two favorite money pits, federal health and education. does not make it so. And if that hose head McLame does slither into office, he will get more of the same. Almost worth voting for the humonculus just to see that look on YOUR face when Mr. Maverick can’t get his tax cuts, spending cuts and troop funding thorugh the house or senate. You are dreaming.
Drifting into the center is DEATH for the party. Just because it suites you does not make it otherwise. Stick that in your t-shrt.
The great big mushy center of the body politc is no place in which to build a party. Voting Democrat lite is like drinking Coors lite. Ain’t much to it, and you can buy the real McCoy for less.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Can someone please name a viable conservative party leader?
May 6th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Jacob,
“So looking for someone to actually like a conservative is waiting by the side of the road?”
Not what I said, but based on your tangential response I believe you got my drift.
Regarding all that “touchy feely squishy reach across the aisle stuff”, compromise is the essence of politics. My way or highway won’t cut it with the American people. Are you saying that we need a conservative President, that will tell Congress and every nonconservative to go to hell, it’s the conservative way or no way ?
I agree that W has not been as fiscally responsible as I would like. Even with that didn’t the national debt as a percentage of GDP rise faster under Reagan, than W ?
Enquiring minds want to know, who is (was) your candidate of choice for 2008 ?
May 6th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
These are very tough times for real conservatives, very tough indeed. Just when I too was ready to kick McCain to the curb, he makes a policy statement relevant to Judges and the Supreme Court. His position on judges is about the only thing keeping me on the team. Judicial appointments is about the only area where McCain has both feet firmly placed on conservative soil.
He will remain there because he knows it is the trump card for many conservatives. McCain and his campaign have watched the Bush administration piss off Conservatives for several years, yet retain a portion of conservative support based on two selections to the US Supreme Court. Two selections that will prove to be crucial in the years to come.
Here is my recurring nightmare :
Barack Obama is elected president and with him an enlarged majority in both houses of congress.
Within the first year of his new Presidency, President Obama selects two Judges from the 9th circuit to fill slots on the Supreme court. Now the court has two new fresh leftist judges ready to wreak havoc on the constitution for the next 20 years.
This is the only nail McCain has left me to hang my hat.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Dan,
Compromising with the Democrat party has become as futile as peace talks with the Palestinians. They want what they want, and their idea of compromise is your surrender. This is a bitter time, and ol’ GW the moron in chief came in and expressed desire for compromise and got spit on for his troubles. The damn fool is still standing with his hand out in a puddle of Democrat spew. You want to stand next to him go ahead.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Greg,
I am tired of being blackmailed. Lets look at the awe inspiring selection of GW’s dad Souter. Do you really think McLame is going to select a decent Judge? The guy will pick someone who will enhance his meverick status. I rather be hung by a democrat then a Republican. I am tired of carrying water for these thugs.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Jacob, Your alternative is to let Obama make Supreme Court nominations? I’ll take my chances with McCain.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Jacob,
“got spit on for his troubles.”
Yes, and W should have ripped their political wings off in response. After 9/11 he was given a royal straight flush in spades, and look at what he did with it.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Cmac:
Jim DeMint- Senator, S.C.
Bobby Jindal- Gov., LA.
Michael Steele- former Lt. Gov., MD, Former candidate for the U.S. Senate, MD current GOPAC chair.
Ted Nugent- Rock N Roll Guitar pickin gun tottin Gonzo from Michigan and now Texas ! just kidding !
Ah screw it, I am tired of this crap, I am going to Run for president in 2012. No more BS.
Here is my cabinet:
VP- Thomas Sowell ( I will actually let him run the country while I am fishing which will be just about everyday) Don’t tell anyone.
Sec of State: George Allen. Why George Allen you ask ? Because he is very tall. You want your Sec of State to be way taller then the Chinese, it pisses them off and my foreign policy will be all about dissing the worlds remaining commies.
Sec of Education: We will not be needing one of these. Those of you who work for the Dept of Ed go home, take two weeks off and then go get a real job.
Sec of defense: Gen. David Patraeus. He is good at killing Islamo nut jobs, that is all I need.
Sec of Homeland Security: Joe Budzinski.
Joe, you can have the job as long as you hire Sheriff Joe Arpaio as your right hand man.
You want to solve illegal migration ? you can’t show em, you got to Joe em !
Sec of Housing: The dude who runs Home Depot, they have everything you need for housing.
ATF: Dick Cheney. I don’t know if he drinks or smokes but he sure knows his way around a shotgun.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
I LOVE George Allen for State - he’s the only one who speak foreign language! And knows just when to use this skills.
May 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Stone, I agree Jindal, Steele and DeMint are good conservatives, but are they leaders? Can they rally the Republican Party?
Thomas Sowell is G. Stone’s brain, I like it! I think Jonah Goldberg can handle Dept of Interior, Transportation, Energy, Labor and Treasury - he is a smart guy. Throw Mark Steyn and Mark Levin in there somewhere too because they are so stinkin funny.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Jacob,
Talk a breath, boy. Don’t stay home. Think about this for a second. The conservative base is all over McCain’t and he feels it. You may think he is calming down and handing an olive branch to the people but don’t be fooled. He is a dips**t RINO politician who is getting beat between the eyes with a 2×4. He IS listening and decideing which issues he wants the conservative, christian vote on.
Because of this (and, granted, it ain’t much) he will tend to pick a more (true?) conservative VP so as (hi Jack) to solidify the conservative base behind his ticket. If this truly ends up being the case, remember this. When you are president, you don’t get any better care then the doctors available. If you become to ill to hold office or you die, the torch gets passed. It isn’t that long a shot and I believe if this scenerio played out you would get excellent odds in Vegas.
Everything that has happened in the last 50 years of note has been processed by and thru the SCOTUS. The events of the day have relied on this branch too much and too heavily. It is of the utmost importance that we have someone in the High Nut House that puts judges of Constitutional background in any vacant seats. To me, that is one of the most important jobs of the presidency. Have faith, brother. We still have our guns and we can always have a “tea party”.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
ACT,
McLame went to la raza (the race!) today and told the racists he want to put ‘comprehensive’ back into the immigration reform. The clown might be getting hit with a 2×4 but it ain’t enough. He ain’t feeling the heat, the dolt is thinking he can win without us. He is wrong, but if he want my vote, he is going to have to earn it, and talking to the racists, reneging on his promises, peeing on the NC republican party is not gonna earn it boyo, not by a long shot. Sic Curmudgeon Est.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Jacob,
Did you know that you can sue the U.S. Government? Tell you what. I’ll get all the people you need and we’ll do a class action againest Congress and the Prez for renegging on their oath of office. Take it all the way to the Supreme Court if we have to. Bet we can raise more money for this suit then what the 3 dolts have done all campaign. Feel better now?
May 6th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
jacob,
“he want to put ‘comprehensive’ back”
Our current President wishes amnesty, as do the Clinton and Obama. While I feel this is bad policy, McCain is status quo, no net loss or gain on the amnesty issue. Nothing can be done here w/o the House and Senate buying into this which I don’t think is going to happen, unless folks like you, and me turn a blind eye to this.
Jacob, yes it sucks that we do not have a candidate that understands that amnesty is a bad idea. I told you some time back, if you wish to understand Bush’s amnesty agenda, you must look back to Reagan, a real conservative, I believe the description was :
“We have consistently supported a legalization program which is both generous to the alien and fair to the countless thousands of people throughout the world who seek legally to come to America. The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.”
“It makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won’t do?”
“Please believe me when I tell you the idea of a North American accord has been mine for many, many years.”
Sounds familiar doesn’t it ?
After we finish jacking each other up, let’s go shoot guns again
May 7th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Jacob,
While you may hate the Republican party, you have a duty to love the country — not the party. Your duty is to the country, and as such, you are shirking your duty if you fail to assure the best use of a vote that is part of that duty. If you believe that Obama or Clinton would be actually better as president than McCain, then you should vote for the scum. But don’t make the decision based on what you want, but on what is. If you think McCain is slack on every issue as much as either of the Democrats, then vote for them. But be sober.
I don’t like McCain as a choice any more than you do. It may be that the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot and destroying the party. That is irrelevant to the question of for whom you should vote.
I for one would rather not have people in office that on every issue I can think of not only have voted in the past the opposite of what I would have wanted, but espouse a position far further to the left than even what those votes allow. Obama has stated he would want to see a nation wide ban on concealed carry, Clinton has stated she would want to enact even stricter rules than those her husbad [sic] pushed through. If on no other subject, McCain is more to the center (as his voting record shows.) There are many issues that he is head and shoulders above both Obama and Clinton. Look at the records:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
I’m the first one to admit, McCain isn’t anywhere near what I’d want on many issues, but that site just lists issues, voting records, and what the candidates have said. Sure, McCain isn’t what I’d want. But do you *really* think that having Clinton or Obama in office would be a better thing?
I’m sorry, but I really think that the issues here are bigger than what I want. Do I want a president that would fully support “abortion rights” or opposed such killing most of the time? (Hint: look at NARAL and NRLC ratings.)
While I might not have my candidate of choice (I certainly don’t see a moral, fiscal, social conservative even running for this office) I have either got to make a choice that could matter, or I have to decide that I don’t care what happens to the country. That is the choice. It isn’t that I don’t like what the Republican party is becoming, so I won’t vote for the Republican, but it is I am upset and I’m going home because I can’t get my way. “To hell with the country” is what people are saying when they don’t vote at all. That isn’t doing anyone any good.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Putting me anywhere near Homeland Security would be a very bad thing for La Raza and CAIR. And a number of others. The country may not be ready for such measures yet, but eventually it is inevitable ….
May 7th, 2008 at 8:26 am
McCain can say he’ll appoint conservative judges all he wants but it’s all smoke and mirrors. He knows the Dems are going to pick up at least 4 more senate seats and another Roberts/Alito/Scalia type wouldn’t have a chance of being nominated.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Sorry, I meant they wouldn’t have a chance of being confirmed.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Ted, Again, I’ll take my chances with McCain’s appointments. Honestly, even if there are long shot odds that a Scalia type will be confirmed, or even nominated by McCain, it is better than the absolute certainty that we will get a Ginsberg type nomination via Obama.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Cathy,
Can’t argue with you too much on that. I’m just making the observation that McCain is promising something he knows he can’t deliver on and that he’s hoping the conservative wing of the GOP believes him.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Ted,
It is my understanding that McCain’s campaign promise is to nominate literalist judges. This he can do.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Dan,
But they won’t be confirmed in a 55-45 Dem Senate and McCain knows it.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Ted, I agree the chances in a 55-45 Senate are slim, however:
I am of the mindset that anything can happen. We don’t know the poltical climate, the actual Senate numbers, the nominee, too many variables when/if a nomination presents itself.
We do know Obama. This is a certainty. I am just playing the odds.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Ted,
No candidate can promise that his SCOTUS nominees will be confirmed. A candidate can only promise his criteria for nominees.
The point is McCain is breaking no campaign promise here, contrary to your previous post.
Cathymac is right, it is way too early to look into a crystal ball and empathically state what will happen.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Dan,
I never said that McCain was/is breaking a campaign promise. My point was that for him to say he’ll nominate conservative judges while knowing they’ll never get confirmed is nothing more than an attempt to make people forget he was the head of the Gang of 14. It sounds great but it means nothing, kinda like all the promises we’ve heard in the past about cutting entitlements, shoring up Soc Sec etc.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Dan,
Going blasting again is a great idea! This time I believe we should then go slake our terrible thirsts and discuss the days blasting.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Brian,
Hate the Republican party? No, just despise their rank stupidity and cowardice. I do not hate this country. I even appreciate Democrats, as deluded and authoritarian as they are.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
“slake our terrible thirsts”
Most excellent idea sir !
May 7th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Ok Ted,
But were I come from :
“McCain is promising something he knows he can’t deliver on”
Promising something that cannot be fulfilled, i.e. braking a promise..
May 7th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
You guys are dashing my one last hope.
If McCain looks this bad in May can you imagine what he is going to look like in October or November ?
May 7th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Greg,
There are times when delusions must be shattered.
May 7th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
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May 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Keep the faith G, a long way to go.
Personally, I believe McCain will look better come Oct or Nov.
I’ll even bet jacob a pint or two on it..
May 7th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Mark Levin just read an op-ed penned by Victor Davis Hanson on this very subject. I believe he said it appeared in todays Financial times. It was on the money regarding this very issue. For me, it said it all.
May 7th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
By the way, when you misfits go blasting again , give me a call. I got some fun boom boom.
May 7th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
You guys are missing the point. It is NOT what McCain’t looks like; more what he smells like. And if I’m downwind, it is putred at best. Stench doesn’t get better with time, only with deoderizer!
May 7th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Greg,
VDH is one of the real conservatives out there in the tradition of WFB.
May 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Dan,
I like Guinness. Room temp, from a tap.
May 7th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Mackeson Triple Stout for me, thanks.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I like the direction this conversation is headed.
I am going to try to scope out the Centreville Isaak Walton during one day next week (I belong but have never gotten around to using it). I’ll see what the skeet situation is and maybe I can host the next one.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Joe, If you get by, swing by Bull Run shooting center on the way out. Not too far from there, maybe 1-2 miles as the crow flies. As they have evening hours, might work out schedule wise for some who otherwise might not be able to make it, if we just want to bust some clays. I can go either way..
jacob, a wager it is. We will need a good pub with a dartboard. Hopefully by then Miami will have done a number on Tech and Jack can show up to help quench my thirst.
Every thread eventually gets around to gun and/or drinking. Do we have our priorities straight or what !
May 8th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
I am a life long Republican, I am not a fan of Rush, and I voted for John McCain in the primary - a vote which I will not apologize or bow to RINO labeling!
I don’t take Rush seriously. Especially not after his troubles a couple years back. He’s just an entertainer. He’s not a guru. He’s not a leader. He’s not really a pundit. He’s a radio personality. So I take his political recommendation as seriously as I take Sean Penn’s or Tim Robbins’ or Susan Sarandon’s or Howard Stern’s or… well, you get the idea!
=:-
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May 13th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Chick,
so anyone who gets a prescription for pain and becomes addicted is in the same catagory as someone who engages in recreational drug and get addicted ona substance that is illegal. You are either an *ss or a troll.
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