Comments on: Your Tax Dollars Funding Racist Organization La Raza http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/ updated, and a little more mellow Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:08:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bill http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-26139 Bill Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:01:46 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-26139 Just to clearly define the word "La Raza"; it means the race! Now we all know that " Hispanic" or "Latino" is " NOT A RACE "! However millions of uneducated, illegal immigrants, and many of the uneducated native born Hispanics and/or Latinos believe that they are, in fact a race! Why we haven't taught in our schools that there are only four races, is beyond me. Either there is great political pressure to not teach the truth, or we have been told for so long, that we are being racist if we mention this fact! Getting back to the words La Raza, it is/was intended to mean "our race"! To deny that, is either ignorance or outright lieing!Lets stop using semantics to argue and look at reality no matter how stupid or self serving it may seem. Getting Federal Funds to promote a seperatist agenda, is insane! The entire goal of "La Raza" is and always has been to "increase the Hispanic/Latino presense in the U.S. and repopulate the Southwest! It is born our of the "ignorant historical teachings" that the U.S. " stole" the Southwest from Mexico when in fact your greatest General, General Santa Ana, after having made one of the greatest Military blunders in history, surrendered and sold the Southwest rather than not surrender and do what was customary and honorable in those days and commit suicide, in the name of your country without giving up any territory or honor! This is just nw being taught in schools, but the historical, albeit ignorant belief that we "stole" the Southwest, is a National,Cultural ingrained belief shared by most Mexican Nationals and obviously many " educated" but not intelligent ( there is a difference)Mexican Americans! I am not tlking about those of you who are Mexican American who are both intelligent and educated, but I am surprised at how many there are that truely believe this nonsense! Illigal immigration is Illegal Immigration no matter where you are from! If most of the Illegal Immigrants are from Mexico/Central America, then to be against Illegal Immigration, is not racism against Hispanics, just reality if most of the Illegal Immigrants are Hispanic! Just to clearly define the word “La Raza”; it means the race! Now we all know that ” Hispanic” or “Latino” is ” NOT A RACE “! However millions of uneducated, illegal immigrants, and many of the uneducated native born Hispanics and/or Latinos believe that they are, in fact a race! Why we haven’t taught in our schools that there are only four races, is beyond me. Either there is great political pressure to not teach the truth, or we have been told for so long, that we are being racist if we mention this fact! Getting back to the words La Raza, it is/was intended to mean “our race”! To deny that, is either ignorance or outright lieing!Lets stop using semantics to argue and look at reality no matter how stupid or self serving it may seem. Getting Federal Funds to promote a seperatist agenda, is insane! The entire goal of “La Raza” is and always has been to “increase the Hispanic/Latino presense in the U.S. and repopulate the Southwest! It is born our of the “ignorant historical teachings” that the U.S. ” stole” the Southwest from Mexico when in fact your greatest General, General Santa Ana, after having made one of the greatest Military blunders in history, surrendered and sold the Southwest rather than not surrender and do what was customary and honorable in those days and commit suicide, in the name of your country without giving up any territory or honor! This is just nw being taught in schools, but the historical, albeit ignorant belief that we “stole” the Southwest, is a National,Cultural ingrained belief shared by most Mexican Nationals and obviously many ” educated” but not intelligent ( there is a difference)Mexican Americans! I am not tlking about those of you who are Mexican American who are both intelligent and educated, but I am surprised at how many there are that truely believe this nonsense! Illigal immigration is Illegal Immigration no matter where you are from! If most of the Illegal Immigrants are from Mexico/Central America, then to be against Illegal Immigration, is not racism against Hispanics, just reality if most of the Illegal Immigrants are Hispanic!

]]> By: Laura C http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-9290 Laura C Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:03:54 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-9290 La Raza is a special interest group that MUST NOT be publically funded. "Provide for the common defense and general welfare" in the US Constitution, does not mean take from us to give to special interest groups. Look at the word "general". Protection and Welfare to the Americans in general, such as protection from enemies both foreign and domestic, including plagues and epidemics, dangerous gangs, many of them here illegally. General welfare could also include maintaining clean air and water and building quality roads. It most certainly includes our right to keep our money or donate it to groups like the Girl Scouts, or even to La Raza. I am pro-choice - I choose not to have any of my money go to Planned Parenthood, La Raza, NAACP, KKK (which I doubt get public funds), or any other special interest group that benefits only certain groups. Let those who support, or benefit from, those groups fund them VOLUNTARILY, as a choice. That is one of the REAL examples of being pro-choice. La Raza is a special interest group that MUST NOT be publically funded. “Provide for the common defense and general welfare” in the US Constitution, does not mean take from us to give to special interest groups. Look at the word “general”. Protection and Welfare to the Americans in general, such as protection from enemies both foreign and domestic, including plagues and epidemics, dangerous gangs, many of them here illegally. General welfare could also include maintaining clean air and water and building quality roads. It most certainly includes our right to keep our money or donate it to groups like the Girl Scouts, or even to La Raza. I am pro-choice – I choose not to have any of my money go to Planned Parenthood, La Raza, NAACP, KKK (which I doubt get public funds), or any other special interest group that benefits only certain groups. Let those who support, or benefit from, those groups fund them VOLUNTARILY, as a choice. That is one of the REAL examples of being pro-choice.

]]> By: Anonymous too http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-7571 Anonymous too Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:09:08 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-7571 Loren has for months taken to posting pro illegal alien BS at my local papers comment section. We are located in Long Beach California....This person is not to be taken at face value. He deceive other posters about who he represents and flat out lies when asked if he's part of La Raza....go away loren, find a job (that has nothing to do with being an anti-American, pro illegal alien, trader to this country) or seek some psychiatric help, just go away!!!! Loren has for months taken to posting pro illegal alien BS at my local papers comment section. We are located in Long Beach California….This person is not to be taken at face value. He deceive other posters about who he represents and flat out lies when asked if he’s part of La Raza….go away loren, find a job (that has nothing to do with being an anti-American, pro illegal alien, trader to this country) or seek some psychiatric help, just go away!!!!

]]> By: Laura V http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-6651 Laura V Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:27:21 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-6651 Actually I have taken a lot of slack from La Raza because of our vastly differing ideological views. Rest assured, represenatative I am not. I am not sure if I understood the rest of your post. If I am intrepreting you correctly, the answer is no, National Council of La Raza is a non-profit advocacy organization with a very diverse staff that does not as an organization consider it to be part of the Latino Race. I don't know of anyone in the world who would consider themselves to be part of the "Latino race" as there is no such thing. There are a multitude of racial mixes present in Latin America, such as Mestizo, as well poeple of different races such as Asians, Anglos, Blacks, etc. Perhaps you are confusing Latino Race with Latino culture, which though diverse, is somewhat definable. Actually I have taken a lot of slack from La Raza because of our vastly differing ideological views. Rest assured, represenatative I am not.

I am not sure if I understood the rest of your post. If I am intrepreting you correctly, the answer is no, National Council of La Raza is a non-profit advocacy organization with a very diverse staff that does not as an organization consider it to be part of the Latino Race. I don’t know of anyone in the world who would consider themselves to be part of the “Latino race” as there is no such thing. There are a multitude of racial mixes present in Latin America, such as Mestizo, as well poeple of different races such as Asians, Anglos, Blacks, etc. Perhaps you are confusing Latino Race with Latino culture, which though diverse, is somewhat definable.

]]> By: dan http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-6645 dan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:05:00 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-6645 Laura- La Raza does not consider themselves part of a Latino Race ? As our local protagonist of the La Raza party line, surely you would know this. Laura- La Raza does not consider themselves part of a Latino Race ? As our local protagonist of the La Raza party line, surely you would know this.

]]> By: Laura V http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-6640 Laura V Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:04:20 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-6640 Dan Duncan - as someone who is completetly bilingual I have to clarify your translation. Raza can mean race or people depending on how it is used. NCLR has always been insistent that their use is as The People, which makes infinitely more sense as there is no specific Hispanic Race. But more importantly, as a quick quality check, can you provide evidence of La Raza being tied into a Reconquista effort? I was at one time accused of being tied into a Reconquista movement, ironically before I even knew there was such a thing, so I am hestitant to take your word for it. Dan Duncan – as someone who is completetly bilingual I have to clarify your translation. Raza can mean race or people depending on how it is used. NCLR has always been insistent that their use is as The People, which makes infinitely more sense as there is no specific Hispanic Race.

But more importantly, as a quick quality check, can you provide evidence of La Raza being tied into a Reconquista effort?

I was at one time accused of being tied into a Reconquista movement, ironically before I even knew there was such a thing, so I am hestitant to take your word for it.

]]> By: David M. Duncan, MD http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-6639 David M. Duncan, MD Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:42:08 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-6639 Let me help you understand where Drzal is coming from. He is active in the Kentucky Coalition for Immigrant and Refuge Rights, a clear pro-illegal organization which attempts to pass itself off as an "immigrant" rights organization. Google them and Loren Drzal and you'll get a better appreciation for both. Their efforts are directed at continuing a Sanctuary City status in Lexington and extending that to Kentucky. Militant? Certainly are. I've worked against them for over a year only to be threatented with physical harm and my wife was verbally intimidated by their President Freddy Piralta. If you oppose them you are targeted here. BTW, "raza" means race, breed, strain and SOMETIMES people. This Cosmic crap is subterfuge for La Raza as they have evbolved from the Chicano movement and are directly tied in with the Reconquista effort. Their motto? "For members, everything. For others, nothing!" Pretty clear message, eh? Let me help you understand where Drzal is coming from. He is active in the Kentucky Coalition for Immigrant and Refuge Rights, a clear pro-illegal organization which attempts to pass itself off as an “immigrant” rights organization. Google them and Loren Drzal and you’ll get a better appreciation for both. Their efforts are directed at continuing a Sanctuary City status in Lexington and extending that to Kentucky. Militant? Certainly are. I’ve worked against them for over a year only to be threatented with physical harm and my wife was verbally intimidated by their President Freddy Piralta. If you oppose them you are targeted here. BTW, “raza” means race, breed, strain and SOMETIMES people. This Cosmic crap is subterfuge for La Raza as they have evbolved from the Chicano movement and are directly tied in with the Reconquista effort. Their motto? “For members, everything. For others, nothing!” Pretty clear message, eh?

]]> By: dan http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5505 dan Sat, 10 May 2008 04:26:16 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5505 Loren, What exactly are "undocumented people" ? I believe you weret he first to use this expression here. Are you trying to say "aliens" as defined in the INA, who are here illegally? Immigrants are not a problem. Immigration is now a legal process in the USA (see INA). Sneaking across our border and evading our authorities is NOT immigration. This is as G points out, illegal migration. For someone claiming to not be affiliated with La Raza, you are espousing pretty well their propaganda of the lack of distinction between legal immigration and illegal migration. Loren,

What exactly are “undocumented people” ? I believe you weret he first to use this expression here. Are you trying to say “aliens” as defined in the INA, who are here illegally?

Immigrants are not a problem.

Immigration is now a legal process in the USA (see INA). Sneaking across our border and evading our authorities is NOT immigration. This is as G points out, illegal migration.

For someone claiming to not be affiliated with La Raza, you are espousing pretty well their propaganda of the lack of distinction between legal immigration and illegal migration.

]]> By: G. Stone http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5501 G. Stone Sat, 10 May 2008 01:49:42 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5501 Loren: You are correct, immigrants are not a problem. However, illegal migrant invaders are. Like many you are mixing apples and oranges. In this case the apples are OK, it's the oranges that need to be deported. Loren:
You are correct, immigrants are not a problem. However, illegal migrant invaders are. Like many you are mixing apples and oranges. In this case the apples are OK, it’s the oranges that need to be deported.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5494 jacob Fri, 09 May 2008 22:51:29 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5494 Loren, Go see http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/09/what-part-of-illegal-dont-you-get/ Loren,
Go see
http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/09/what-part-of-illegal-dont-you-get/

]]> By: loren http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5492 loren Fri, 09 May 2008 21:46:47 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5492 Still waiting for your reasoned arguments. One person said they were against la Raza because they advocated for undocumented people. Not sure if that is true but as least it is a specific argument. I read a lot of the other blogs on this site and agree with a lot. Except, I don't think immigrants are the problem. I think it is part of a broad structure that victimizes us all. Still waiting for your reasoned arguments. One person said they were against la Raza because they advocated for undocumented people. Not sure if that is true but as least it is a specific argument. I read a lot of the other blogs on this site and agree with a lot. Except, I don’t think immigrants are the problem. I think it is part of a broad structure that victimizes us all.

]]> By: dan http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5491 dan Fri, 09 May 2008 21:30:59 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5491 oops.. "it would appear that you have a BIASED opinion" as they say, haste does make waste.. oops..

“it would appear that you have a BIASED opinion”

as they say, haste does make waste..

]]> By: dan http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5490 dan Fri, 09 May 2008 21:26:08 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5490 That is not what Dan is saying. What Dan IS saying that as a reported "Hispanic advocate", it would appear that you have have an unbiased opinion on the La Raza funding topic. I disagree with what La Raza does with public TAXPAYER funds. I disagree with their policy of advocating for illegal immigrants here in this country. And I also disagree strongly with their apologists. opinion • noun 1 a view or judgement not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. That is not what Dan is saying. What Dan IS saying that as a reported “Hispanic advocate”, it would appear that you have have an unbiased opinion on the La Raza funding topic.

I disagree with what La Raza does with public TAXPAYER funds. I disagree with their policy of advocating for illegal immigrants here in this country. And I also disagree strongly with their apologists.

opinion
• noun 1 a view or judgement not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5489 jacob Fri, 09 May 2008 21:22:43 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5489 Loren, "Dan seems to be saying that anyone who has worked on a cause he doesn’t agree with has no validity." Well put, but I believe that goes to far. When one is an advocate and especially an activist for a given cause one is not without extra bias. I say extra because we ALL have biases and viewpoints that we bring to the party. These biases while they do not in any way obliterate an ultimate truth do color positions relative to that ultimate truth. "You seem to be saying that you only want to hear from people who only agree with you." NOOOO!!! We here allow and welcome all viewpoints. No one has ever been banned for advocating ANY given position. A few have been deleted for couching things in a manner little too pungently. So please come back, you will find the discussion here sharp, with little quarter given. If you come across as reasonable, you will be welcome, though hounded by those who disagree with you. Personally I hate echo chambers. While the majority is right of center, we have all kinds here. We do not suffer fools gladly. Loren,
“Dan seems to be saying that anyone who has worked on a cause he doesn’t agree with has no validity.”
Well put, but I believe that goes to far. When one is an advocate and especially an activist for a given cause one is not without extra bias. I say extra because we ALL have biases and viewpoints that we bring to the party. These biases while they do not in any way obliterate an ultimate truth do color positions relative to that ultimate truth.

“You seem to be saying that you only want to hear from people who only agree with you.”
NOOOO!!! We here allow and welcome all viewpoints. No one has ever been banned for advocating ANY given position. A few have been deleted for couching things in a manner little too pungently. So please come back, you will find the discussion here sharp, with little quarter given. If you come across as reasonable, you will be welcome, though hounded by those who disagree with you.

Personally I hate echo chambers.

While the majority is right of center, we have all kinds here. We do not suffer fools gladly.

]]> By: loren http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/comment-page-1/#comment-5488 loren Fri, 09 May 2008 20:33:08 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/08/your-tax-dollars-funding-racist-organization-la-raza/#comment-5488 I support a variety of social justice causes and have been mostly involved in immigration issues for the past year or so, as there is a limit to my time. That does not mean that my opinions or research are not valid. Dan seems to be saying that anyone who has worked on a cause he doesn't agree with has no validity. You are apparently vocal on immigration issues but I have not said you have no validity. You seem to be saying that you only want to hear from people who only agree with you. That is fine, if that is where you are but that is griping , not discussing. I try to stick with facts that can be verified. By the way, I am not a member of La Raza and never had been. If I was, it would not diminish my arguments. So far, I haven't heard much in the way of arguments from you all, only a bunch of unsubstantiaed opinion. The one person who made a valid opinion was against all earmarks. I'm not sure if I agree with that, I'd have to study it some more, but I appreciate that it was not directed against any group of people. I support a variety of social justice causes and have been mostly involved in immigration issues for the past year or so, as there is a limit to my time. That does not mean that my opinions or research are not valid. Dan seems to be saying that anyone who has worked on a cause he doesn’t agree with has no validity. You are apparently vocal on immigration issues but I have not said you have no validity. You seem to be saying that you only want to hear from people who only agree with you. That is fine, if that is where you are but that is griping , not discussing. I try to stick with facts that can be verified. By the way, I am not a member of La Raza and never had been. If I was, it would not diminish my arguments. So far, I haven’t heard much in the way of arguments from you all, only a bunch of unsubstantiaed opinion. The one person who made a valid opinion was against all earmarks. I’m not sure if I agree with that, I’d have to study it some more, but I appreciate that it was not directed against any group of people.

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