What Part of Illegal Dont You Get
May 9th, 2008 by jacob
Recently we saw some new faces. One of them, loren wrote:
One person said they were against la Raza because they advocated for undocumented people. Not sure if that is true but as least it is a specific argument.
La Raza supports open borders between Mexico and the United States. How does this no lead to ‘undocumented people’? Nice bit of thought-speak there, very 1984. The two proper legal terms for ‘undocumented people’ is ‘illegal alien’ and ‘illegal immigrant’. Choose one. An ‘undocumented person’ is some who lives here legally and left his wallet at home.
The part I get hung up on is the ‘illegal’ part. When someone does not knock on the front door of your house but instead sneaks in through the basement, they have committed criminal trespass just for starters. Trying to gussy this up with word games is dishonest.
It is this governments duty to follow the laws or change them. Ignorring them is not the answer. For nation that ignores it own laws is destined for the historical dust bin.
I don’t think immigrants are the problem. I think it is part of a broad structure that victimizes us all.
Interesting. First of all I reject the whole ‘victimization’ premise. No one is a victim with the possible exception of the children of those here illegally. But they are not anchors either. Choices are made by adults, one should live with the consequences of ones choices.
As for the ‘whole structure’, I would appreciate it if you would get a little more specific here. To me anyone involved in the black market economy built on the labor of illegal aliens should be charged, fined and imprisoned or deported. Black markets lead to corruption, that is a historical fact. For the result of a society beset by rampant corruption look at Mexico.
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May 9th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Of course La Raza supports open borders. Without open borders, there is no La Raza is there ?
La Raza pulls in something like 20-30 million a year in public and private money. If you want to see who is advocating for illegal migration, just follow the money.
May 10th, 2008 at 11:14 am
I’m just curious about where you have seen evidence that La Raza supports open borders?
May 10th, 2008 at 11:20 am
For the record, NCLR has provided an excellent response to misrepresenatations about the organization and its work its website, link here: http://nclr.org/content/viewpoints/detail/42500/
But just to highlight a few that have been touched on here:
“5. Border Security and Immigration
Unfortunately, NCLR has been called an “open-borders advocate” and the “illegal alien lobby” numerous times. NCLR has repeatedly recognized the right of the United States, as a sovereign nation, to control its borders. Moreover, NCLR has supported numerous specific measures to strengthen border enforcement, provided that such enforcement is conducted fairly, humanely, and in a nondiscriminatory fashion.”
And the Reconquista:
“Another misconception about NCLR is that we support a “Reconquista,” or the right of Mexico to reclaim land in the southwestern United States. NCLR has not made and does not make any such claim; indeed, such a claim is so far outside of the mainstream of the Latino community that we find it incredible that our critics raise it as an issue. NCLR has never supported and does not endorse the notion of a “Reconquista” or “Aztlán.” Similarly, NCLR’s critics falsely claim that the statement “Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada,” [“For the community everything, outside the community nothing”] is NCLR’s motto. NCLR unequivocally rejects this statement, which is not and has never been the motto of any Latino organization.”
May 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Well if they say so!
And when you get a chance could you please drop a link to wherever it is NCLR explains their name is not “the race?”
May 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Well, I already did but if you need some extra help its on the house,
“1. The Translation of Our Name: National Council of La Raza
Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people,” or, according to some scholars, “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.”
May 10th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
LaRaza can put anything they want on their website. The fact remains they are a leftist organization who have and continue to lobby congress on behalf of illegal migrants. They have and continue to align themselves and operate in concert with other far left organizations looking to influence governments at all levels. This is not guilt by association but guilt by group think.
Fifty people looking out into a field at a horse and swearing it is a cow, does not make a horse a cow.
LaRaza is what it is.
May 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Only G Stone is allowed to identify the livestock in these parts. They are whatever the hell he says they are.
May 10th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
If I was running an organization that had managed to scam the federal government out of millions of dollars in the cause of advocating for an ethnic group to the exclusion of others, you can bet I would have a ready answer for each of my transgressions.
I’m thinking of starting the National Council of White People to get a shot at that money faucet.
May 10th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
I have read G’s posts for quite a while, and usually when he says something is a pig, generally it is.
He’s got a good track record pointing out snakes and rats too..
May 11th, 2008 at 9:11 am
The People. Huh. Seems like “La Gente” would have been a real nice name.
May 11th, 2008 at 11:21 am
la
1 the
- Diccionario Espasa Concise: Español-Inglés English-Spanish
© Espasa-Calpe, S.A., Madrid 2000
raza
1 (humana) race
- Diccionario Espasa Concise: Español-Inglés English-Spanish
© Espasa-Calpe, S.A., Madrid 2000
May 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Usually any organization that has “White People” in it is labeled radical, supremece and neo-nazi. You would only be getting money from that rense site.
Now if ex-spanics are inbred from other races (or ethnicities, however you want it) why are they STILL ex-spanics? Why don’t they speak other ethnicical languages other than spanish? If they aren’t trying to take over the U.S. state by state and congress(person) by congress(person), why is Gurraldo Rivera so ecstatic that California is now over half ex-spanic? That makes everyother race (or ethnicity) minorities. Imagine that. Lastely, why does the U.S. pander to ex-spanics thru language/document catering and not to ALL other nationalities to show an unbias?
I’m sure that someone out there will be able to aptly field these questions and give solid, factual answers.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Laura and dan are correct in their translation of the expression”la raza”. Latinos are a melting pot of races, religions and ethnic groups. Many of them do speak other languages. I lived for some years in California and it is true that there is no majority and that everyone is a minority. I lived in LA which is the melting pot of the world and experiencing all the cultures was a great experience. Translations are required by federal law and are often done in other languages. Sometimes a threshold of numbers has to be reached first.