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		<title>By: Republican Party Of Virginia Convention 2009 &#124; novatownhall blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republican Party Of Virginia Convention 2009 &#124; novatownhall blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bob Marshall, who probably would have given Mark Warner a run for his money last year in the Virginia U.S. Senate race, had last year&#8217;s Convention gone a little differently. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ACTivist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACTivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Watch the Obama pick for VP.  Your chance at another shot for Senator may be coming sooner than expected!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Watch the Obama pick for VP.  Your chance at another shot for Senator may be coming sooner than expected!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Talbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Talbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bob,
Keep up the good work!  It took William Wilberforce over 20 years to abolish Britain&#039;s slave trade.  You can be the Wilberforce in America to bring an end to legalized abortion.
There are many of us who will help you all we can! 

Dan Talbot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bob,<br />
Keep up the good work!  It took William Wilberforce over 20 years to abolish Britain&#8217;s slave trade.  You can be the Wilberforce in America to bring an end to legalized abortion.<br />
There are many of us who will help you all we can! </p>
<p>Dan Talbot</p>
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		<title>By: BOB MARSHALL</title>
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		<dc:creator>BOB MARSHALL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South of the River:

You are seriously mistaken. 

Politicians have had 35 years to appoint pro-life judges.  I said that in my speech.  Waiting for pro-life judges is a cop out.  Senators can do much, much. 

The Congress can define the word &quot;person&quot; in the 14th Amendment to include human beings from fertilization foreward just as Rep. Duncan Hunter has done.

110th CONGRESS
1st Session  H. R. 618
To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person. 

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 22, 2007  Mr. HUNTER (plus 110 co-sponsors, including Bob Goodlatte, Virgil Goode, Robert Wittman, ALL of Virginia)   
________________________________________
A BILL
To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person. 

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Right to Life Act&#039;.
SEC. 2. RIGHT TO LIFE.

To implement equal protection for the right to life of each born and preborn human person, and pursuant to the duty and authority of the Congress, including Congress&#039; power under article I, section 8, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress&#039; power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress hereby declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
For purposes of this Act:
(1) HUMAN PERSON; HUMAN BEING- The terms `human person&#039; and `human being&#039; include each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including, but not limited to, the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.
(2) STATE- The term `State&#039; used in the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States and other applicable provisions of the Constitution includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and each other territory or possession of the United States.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00618:@@L&amp;summ2=m
   
Now, ask Jim Gilmore if he will support that.  Don&#039;t hold your breath.

Further, please cite for readers of this blog any US Senate candidate in the last 50 years who has won, coming from unfavorables of 42-44%.  That would at least give you some credibility for your claim that Jim Gilmore.

I won&#039;t hold my breath waiting for you to find the answer to this one.

Delegate Bob Marshall

PS  I only had to establish name ID, and link my name to issued favored by majorities of Virginia voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South of the River:</p>
<p>You are seriously mistaken. </p>
<p>Politicians have had 35 years to appoint pro-life judges.  I said that in my speech.  Waiting for pro-life judges is a cop out.  Senators can do much, much. </p>
<p>The Congress can define the word &#8220;person&#8221; in the 14th Amendment to include human beings from fertilization foreward just as Rep. Duncan Hunter has done.</p>
<p>110th CONGRESS<br />
1st Session  H. R. 618<br />
To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person. </p>
<p>IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES</p>
<p>January 22, 2007  Mr. HUNTER (plus 110 co-sponsors, including Bob Goodlatte, Virgil Goode, Robert Wittman, ALL of Virginia)<br />
________________________________________<br />
A BILL<br />
To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person. </p>
<p>Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,<br />
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.</p>
<p>This Act may be cited as the `Right to Life Act&#8217;.<br />
SEC. 2. RIGHT TO LIFE.</p>
<p>To implement equal protection for the right to life of each born and preborn human person, and pursuant to the duty and authority of the Congress, including Congress&#8217; power under article I, section 8, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress&#8217; power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress hereby declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being.</p>
<p>SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.<br />
For purposes of this Act:<br />
(1) HUMAN PERSON; HUMAN BEING- The terms `human person&#8217; and `human being&#8217; include each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including, but not limited to, the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.<br />
(2) STATE- The term `State&#8217; used in the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States and other applicable provisions of the Constitution includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and each other territory or possession of the United States.</p>
<p><a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00618:@@L&amp;summ2=m" rel="nofollow">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00618:@@L&amp;summ2=m</a></p>
<p>Now, ask Jim Gilmore if he will support that.  Don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
<p>Further, please cite for readers of this blog any US Senate candidate in the last 50 years who has won, coming from unfavorables of 42-44%.  That would at least give you some credibility for your claim that Jim Gilmore.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t hold my breath waiting for you to find the answer to this one.</p>
<p>Delegate Bob Marshall</p>
<p>PS  I only had to establish name ID, and link my name to issued favored by majorities of Virginia voters.</p>
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		<title>By: South of the River</title>
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		<dc:creator>South of the River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Del. Marshall, you never did clarify who you support in the presidential election, so I guess it&#039;s a good thing that there wasn&#039;t a requirement at the convention to sign the pledge of intent to support the party&#039;s nominees in the fall!

I never said I support Sen. McCain&#039;s position on ANWR (no &quot;A&quot; in ANWR by the way).  I didn&#039;t support McCain in the primary...not by a long shot.  But he is our party&#039;s nominee, and I will support him.  I do not want to see a President Obama, so I have decided to compromise and look at the big picture.  I think that being able to do that would be beneficial in this Senate race as well.  If we can all unite behind Gov. Gilmore and direct our attention to fighting Mark Warner, we will have a much better shot at winning.  Considering that all a Senator can really do to advance the cause of life is vote for strict constructionist judges (who can rule against Roe v. Wade), there is no reason why you or anyone else who values life cannot support Jim Gilmore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Del. Marshall, you never did clarify who you support in the presidential election, so I guess it&#8217;s a good thing that there wasn&#8217;t a requirement at the convention to sign the pledge of intent to support the party&#8217;s nominees in the fall!</p>
<p>I never said I support Sen. McCain&#8217;s position on ANWR (no &#8220;A&#8221; in ANWR by the way).  I didn&#8217;t support McCain in the primary&#8230;not by a long shot.  But he is our party&#8217;s nominee, and I will support him.  I do not want to see a President Obama, so I have decided to compromise and look at the big picture.  I think that being able to do that would be beneficial in this Senate race as well.  If we can all unite behind Gov. Gilmore and direct our attention to fighting Mark Warner, we will have a much better shot at winning.  Considering that all a Senator can really do to advance the cause of life is vote for strict constructionist judges (who can rule against Roe v. Wade), there is no reason why you or anyone else who values life cannot support Jim Gilmore.</p>
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		<title>By: MIKE MCHUGH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIKE MCHUGH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU CAN ASK THE UNIT CHAIRS FOR THE VOTE TOTALS BUT DON&#039;T WASTE THE TIME.  MARK TATE DID IT FOR THE 10TH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BERRY VOTES DID NOT AFFECT THE OUTCOME.  THE BARRY VOTES IF PROPERLY COUNTED, BECAUSE THEY WERE PRIMARILY (THOUGH NOT TOTALLY) FROM ROANOAKE AND SALEM WHERE GILMORE WON WOULD HAVE HELPED GILMORE.

IN WARREN SINCE I DID THE COUNTING IT WAS 22-3 FOR MARSHALL

IF MARSHALL HAD PUT TOGETHER A WHIP FLOOR ORGANIZATION TO FIGHT THE RULES ON FRIDAY AT 2:00 WHEN I MOVED TO STRIKE RULE H UNDER VOTING AND REPLACE IT WITH EACH CAMPAIGN HAVING AN APPOINTED TELLER THERE WOULD HAVE BE NO QUESTION OF CHEATING AT THIS POINT.  

BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC PRESSURE FROM THE FLOOR FIGHT FRIDAY, IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY PURPOSEFUL CHEATING, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT HAPPENED.  YES THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MISTAKES IN THE COUNTING BUT MARSHALL WAS NOT PREPARED TO FIGHT FOR THE ABILITY TO OVERSEE THAT.  HOPEFULLY HE WILL NEXT TIME.

GILMORE WON FAIR AND SQUARE.  

THE THUGOCRACY OF THE EARLY FRIDAY 2:00 PM MEETING, THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF, DID HELP FREDERICK BECAUSE EVEN THE GILMORE PEOPLE WERE DISGUSTED WITH THE TRASHING AND IGNORING OF THE RULES.

BELOW IS PART OF AN ANALYSIS I SENT TO A FRIEND THAT POINTS OUT WHAT CONSTITUTIONALLY MINDED REPUBLICANS SHOULD LEARN.


1.  The Marshall campaign had no professionals who knew how to set up a floor organization to bring the meeting to a stop until they 
a.  acknowledged the 2nd nomination for temp chair.
b.  acknowledged my motion to have tellers from each campaign and then vote on it according to the weighted vote rule.  If they had done so, we would have won because even the Gilmore people saw the fairness in that and even if the Gilmore people had not joined us we still had the votes to make it close but no floor organiztion to make it happen.  Our people were confused and did not know what to do.
 
2.  Hagar lost every district overwhelmingly except the 7th, where it was close.   
 
3.  The movement to restore the integrity of Republican Party is growing.  No one learns to play high level chess in one or two fights and just as Rome was not built in a day our liberties were not lost overnight.  But with patriots like you there will be better fights to come.
 
If Webb is the Obama VP and Obama wins (which is questioable even though the Dems will pick up House and Senate seats) Marshall will run again and could win IF AND ONLY IF he learns the right lessons as to why he lost. Additionally he won&#039;t be running against the formidable opponent Mark Warner. 

I sat down with key people in the Marshall campaign before I left to make sure they knew why they lost.  They understand and I believe Bob does too.

Yes, ultimately it was the providence of God that determined that Gilmore would win but we will never win blaming our opponenets for doing what we are supposed to expect them to do and be prepared and organized to counter.

Bob made some decisions months ago that would have killed anybody else&#039;s chance of winning  but Bob&#039;s.  And that is because Bob is an awesome and incredible warrior for life and liberty.  He almost pulled it off anyway.     
 
15 or so more delegates in the heavily weighted units would have overcome the 65 weighted vote loss.
 
Gilmore bused his delegates in from the 9th and 7th, he had paid professionals to oversee credentials where they challenged several delegates and did not seat them.  Bob had no professionals that knew how to organize a convention.
 
Marshall had NONE of what Gilmore had and he almost won anyway.  He had no plan for the 9th and 7th, which is where he lost it.  He had no paid professionals who understand how to oversee credentionals and then organize a whip action floor fight if he lost in the credentials committee. 

His campaign staff was incredible.  They are wonderful, dedicated, hard working people who will be better prepared next time.  Many of them were humble enough to admit they were learning ont he run.  That is why I am so encouraged. 

Thank you Bob Marshall for running.  Your courage is what has given your people the opportunity to learn and grow.
 
Marshall is a hero for simply fighting.  He has learned a lot.  Guys like Bob who win in small districts generally have to learn the hard way that state-wide politics is a different game.

Bob is a brilliant man and I hope and pray he not only has learned the right lessons of political warfare but will apply them in his next run which could be a special election in December or January.

The recovery of liberty will not be won or lost in one fight.  The recovery of liberty will be a long process of many protracted fights with patriots like you will who have the stamina to understand that Win or Lose we gain new people and resources with better training and willingness to be trained for the next fight every time we fight.
 
sic Semper Tyrannus
 
Mike McHugh
Vice-Chairman Warren County Republican Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU CAN ASK THE UNIT CHAIRS FOR THE VOTE TOTALS BUT DON&#8217;T WASTE THE TIME.  MARK TATE DID IT FOR THE 10TH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BERRY VOTES DID NOT AFFECT THE OUTCOME.  THE BARRY VOTES IF PROPERLY COUNTED, BECAUSE THEY WERE PRIMARILY (THOUGH NOT TOTALLY) FROM ROANOAKE AND SALEM WHERE GILMORE WON WOULD HAVE HELPED GILMORE.</p>
<p>IN WARREN SINCE I DID THE COUNTING IT WAS 22-3 FOR MARSHALL</p>
<p>IF MARSHALL HAD PUT TOGETHER A WHIP FLOOR ORGANIZATION TO FIGHT THE RULES ON FRIDAY AT 2:00 WHEN I MOVED TO STRIKE RULE H UNDER VOTING AND REPLACE IT WITH EACH CAMPAIGN HAVING AN APPOINTED TELLER THERE WOULD HAVE BE NO QUESTION OF CHEATING AT THIS POINT.  </p>
<p>BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC PRESSURE FROM THE FLOOR FIGHT FRIDAY, IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY PURPOSEFUL CHEATING, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT HAPPENED.  YES THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MISTAKES IN THE COUNTING BUT MARSHALL WAS NOT PREPARED TO FIGHT FOR THE ABILITY TO OVERSEE THAT.  HOPEFULLY HE WILL NEXT TIME.</p>
<p>GILMORE WON FAIR AND SQUARE.  </p>
<p>THE THUGOCRACY OF THE EARLY FRIDAY 2:00 PM MEETING, THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF, DID HELP FREDERICK BECAUSE EVEN THE GILMORE PEOPLE WERE DISGUSTED WITH THE TRASHING AND IGNORING OF THE RULES.</p>
<p>BELOW IS PART OF AN ANALYSIS I SENT TO A FRIEND THAT POINTS OUT WHAT CONSTITUTIONALLY MINDED REPUBLICANS SHOULD LEARN.</p>
<p>1.  The Marshall campaign had no professionals who knew how to set up a floor organization to bring the meeting to a stop until they<br />
a.  acknowledged the 2nd nomination for temp chair.<br />
b.  acknowledged my motion to have tellers from each campaign and then vote on it according to the weighted vote rule.  If they had done so, we would have won because even the Gilmore people saw the fairness in that and even if the Gilmore people had not joined us we still had the votes to make it close but no floor organiztion to make it happen.  Our people were confused and did not know what to do.</p>
<p>2.  Hagar lost every district overwhelmingly except the 7th, where it was close.   </p>
<p>3.  The movement to restore the integrity of Republican Party is growing.  No one learns to play high level chess in one or two fights and just as Rome was not built in a day our liberties were not lost overnight.  But with patriots like you there will be better fights to come.</p>
<p>If Webb is the Obama VP and Obama wins (which is questioable even though the Dems will pick up House and Senate seats) Marshall will run again and could win IF AND ONLY IF he learns the right lessons as to why he lost. Additionally he won&#8217;t be running against the formidable opponent Mark Warner. </p>
<p>I sat down with key people in the Marshall campaign before I left to make sure they knew why they lost.  They understand and I believe Bob does too.</p>
<p>Yes, ultimately it was the providence of God that determined that Gilmore would win but we will never win blaming our opponenets for doing what we are supposed to expect them to do and be prepared and organized to counter.</p>
<p>Bob made some decisions months ago that would have killed anybody else&#8217;s chance of winning  but Bob&#8217;s.  And that is because Bob is an awesome and incredible warrior for life and liberty.  He almost pulled it off anyway.     </p>
<p>15 or so more delegates in the heavily weighted units would have overcome the 65 weighted vote loss.</p>
<p>Gilmore bused his delegates in from the 9th and 7th, he had paid professionals to oversee credentials where they challenged several delegates and did not seat them.  Bob had no professionals that knew how to organize a convention.</p>
<p>Marshall had NONE of what Gilmore had and he almost won anyway.  He had no plan for the 9th and 7th, which is where he lost it.  He had no paid professionals who understand how to oversee credentionals and then organize a whip action floor fight if he lost in the credentials committee. </p>
<p>His campaign staff was incredible.  They are wonderful, dedicated, hard working people who will be better prepared next time.  Many of them were humble enough to admit they were learning ont he run.  That is why I am so encouraged. </p>
<p>Thank you Bob Marshall for running.  Your courage is what has given your people the opportunity to learn and grow.</p>
<p>Marshall is a hero for simply fighting.  He has learned a lot.  Guys like Bob who win in small districts generally have to learn the hard way that state-wide politics is a different game.</p>
<p>Bob is a brilliant man and I hope and pray he not only has learned the right lessons of political warfare but will apply them in his next run which could be a special election in December or January.</p>
<p>The recovery of liberty will not be won or lost in one fight.  The recovery of liberty will be a long process of many protracted fights with patriots like you will who have the stamina to understand that Win or Lose we gain new people and resources with better training and willingness to be trained for the next fight every time we fight.</p>
<p>sic Semper Tyrannus</p>
<p>Mike McHugh<br />
Vice-Chairman Warren County Republican Party</p>
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		<title>By: Decision time: step to the line or step aside &#171; HoodaThunk?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decision time: step to the line or step aside &#171; HoodaThunk?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] B. over at NovaTownhall Blog has reported on the convention process itself, mentioning everything from seating arrangements to vote calculations. He sees irregularities and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] B. over at NovaTownhall Blog has reported on the convention process itself, mentioning everything from seating arrangements to vote calculations. He sees irregularities and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loudoun Conservative,
I do agree with you much, but I think you stumbled upon something here.  A closed primary system would be THE solution to the nonsense we get at both the open primaries and the conventions.

I am sure there are evils associated with a closed primary system.  I am willing to see what they are like, because the current system is giving me fits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loudoun Conservative,<br />
I do agree with you much, but I think you stumbled upon something here.  A closed primary system would be THE solution to the nonsense we get at both the open primaries and the conventions.</p>
<p>I am sure there are evils associated with a closed primary system.  I am willing to see what they are like, because the current system is giving me fits.</p>
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		<title>By: The Last Reagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Last Reagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of us would be curious to know how much time Bob Marshal was given for his speech. If anyone timed it, please chime in.

The same curiosity arose when Vern McKinley gave his seemingly short speech at the 10th District Convention. - Repression?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of us would be curious to know how much time Bob Marshal was given for his speech. If anyone timed it, please chime in.</p>
<p>The same curiosity arose when Vern McKinley gave his seemingly short speech at the 10th District Convention. &#8211; Repression?</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would&#039;ve like to have seen the actual time that Gilmore and Marshall got.  The Gilmore endorsements (almost all of which were from people I had never heard of) seemed to go on and on and on and then was finally followed by a fairly lengthy speech by Gilmore.  Marshall had two nominating speeches and didn&#039;t seem, to me at least, to have spoken too long before he was cut off.

Did anyone keep track of the actual time they each received?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would&#8217;ve like to have seen the actual time that Gilmore and Marshall got.  The Gilmore endorsements (almost all of which were from people I had never heard of) seemed to go on and on and on and then was finally followed by a fairly lengthy speech by Gilmore.  Marshall had two nominating speeches and didn&#8217;t seem, to me at least, to have spoken too long before he was cut off.</p>
<p>Did anyone keep track of the actual time they each received?</p>
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		<title>By: G. Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delegate Bob :

 Thank you for a great effort. Many of us and I mean MANY, will be there when you decide to do it again. Just know that the support for your straight forward conservative message resonates with the majority of citizens. Bob Marshall was the most popular citizen legislator or candidate in the room last Saturday.
 I believe Virginia Republicans missed an opportunity. However, I was very proud to know that many of us selected the right man.

 We will be ready for round II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delegate Bob :</p>
<p> Thank you for a great effort. Many of us and I mean MANY, will be there when you decide to do it again. Just know that the support for your straight forward conservative message resonates with the majority of citizens. Bob Marshall was the most popular citizen legislator or candidate in the room last Saturday.<br />
 I believe Virginia Republicans missed an opportunity. However, I was very proud to know that many of us selected the right man.</p>
<p> We will be ready for round II.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudoun Insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loudoun Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The continuing reliance on conventions will doom the GOP in Virginia.  Every one I have been to has been fraught with problems.  Register by party and have impartial state run primaries with limited chances for BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The continuing reliance on conventions will doom the GOP in Virginia.  Every one I have been to has been fraught with problems.  Register by party and have impartial state run primaries with limited chances for BS.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACT,
International Brotherhood of Republicans?!!?  EEEEIIIIUUUUWWW!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACT,<br />
International Brotherhood of Republicans?!!?  EEEEIIIIUUUUWWW!!</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie,
That is disturbing.  More so the second time I read it.  Point taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie,<br />
That is disturbing.  More so the second time I read it.  Point taken.</p>
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		<title>By: ACTivist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACTivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That was until I heard that our total was so decisive, that it was decided that the 7th, Gov. Gilmore’s home district, would go last in order to be the ones to send him to victory.&quot;

Funny, but after hearing the 11th District totals, I figured that that would be decisive for Marshall.  As was pointed out to us with the seating location of the 7th, the process of ballot counting and the &quot;Gilmore&quot; people doing the counting, along with the &quot;missed&quot; literature in bags....too many coincidental occurances.  And at the announcement, Bolling called for Gilmore FIRST to give his acceptance speech at which time got changed to Marshall&#039;s concession speech of which there was none (at least to me I heard nothing sounding like concedeing defeat).  I appreciate that much Bob, as well as not immediately &quot;throwing&quot; your support to Gilmore.  Yes, he will need our help to win but I personnally will wait for Jim to do some soul searching and alot of humbling!

Sour grapes?  I have been privy to my first 3 conventions as delegate and going from local to state.  I am far from being impressed by procedures; all conventions seemed to be &quot;dicey&quot; and I think kindergarden has more organization.  As I told Joe-I do not intend to go to the national or international conventions.  I have been worn out and dismayed!

BTW The first smartass that tries to explain there is no international convention (someday, folks, there surely MAY be if we don&#039;t get our act together) doesn&#039;t know me very well so save the explaination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That was until I heard that our total was so decisive, that it was decided that the 7th, Gov. Gilmore’s home district, would go last in order to be the ones to send him to victory.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny, but after hearing the 11th District totals, I figured that that would be decisive for Marshall.  As was pointed out to us with the seating location of the 7th, the process of ballot counting and the &#8220;Gilmore&#8221; people doing the counting, along with the &#8220;missed&#8221; literature in bags&#8230;.too many coincidental occurances.  And at the announcement, Bolling called for Gilmore FIRST to give his acceptance speech at which time got changed to Marshall&#8217;s concession speech of which there was none (at least to me I heard nothing sounding like concedeing defeat).  I appreciate that much Bob, as well as not immediately &#8220;throwing&#8221; your support to Gilmore.  Yes, he will need our help to win but I personnally will wait for Jim to do some soul searching and alot of humbling!</p>
<p>Sour grapes?  I have been privy to my first 3 conventions as delegate and going from local to state.  I am far from being impressed by procedures; all conventions seemed to be &#8220;dicey&#8221; and I think kindergarden has more organization.  As I told Joe-I do not intend to go to the national or international conventions.  I have been worn out and dismayed!</p>
<p>BTW The first smartass that tries to explain there is no international convention (someday, folks, there surely MAY be if we don&#8217;t get our act together) doesn&#8217;t know me very well so save the explaination.</p>
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