Some people don’t want to mess with children. others don’t want to subject children to todays society (can’t blame them there). I would like to see where those poorer nations who have a high, out-of-control birth rate, are on the lifespan scale.

So unless the Mexicans are going to become doctors and stay in the U.S. I won’t have any doctors around to care for me (baby boomers) in my later years. This could get dicey but I can live with it!

I’m here for you, girl. We aim to please!

So let me get this straight, Jack. You are saying that “Western Civilization” consists only of white people? So African-Americans and Mexican-Americans are not part of “Western Civilization”? Are Barack Obama, Condoleeza Rice and Bill Richardson not members of “Western Civilization” according to you?

The population of Ancient Greece was about 13 million at its height; the population of the Roman Empire reached about 60 million. I think “Western Civilization” has a long way to go before it reaches those numbers so I wouldn’t worry yourself too much about it.

“So African-Americans and Mexican-Americans are not part of ‘Western Civilization’?”

Not generally, no. They have their own culture, and generally stick to it.

“Are Barack Obama, Condoleeza Rice and Bill Richardson not members of ‘Western Civilization’ according to you?”

There are always exceptions. Rice and Richardson seem to have accepted Western Culture. Obama not so much.

“The population of Ancient Greece was about 13 million at its height; the population of the Roman Empire reached about 60 million.”

It is not a matter of raw numbers, but of the dominant culture in a region. The highest estimates of the American Indian population in 1492 was about 12 million. In 2005, there were over 30 million. Their culture is not doing very well.

Jack, in what ways has Obama “not accepted Western culture” while Richardson and Rice have? In what ways is African-American and Mexican-American “culture” not “Western culture”? What do you think “Western culture” means?

Sorry, had to work for a minute , so I did not finish.

I do not believe that Hispanics, in general, believe that the rights of the State come from the People, but that the rights of the People come from the State. The rule of law is a joke in Latin America. (With all those natural resources, why are they so poor? Corruption.)

BLT rejects the culture that spawned it.

Many children are disowned.

Some animals kill their offspring at birth.

I do not believe your analogy is a good one. The parent is not the child. Although the Roman Republic spwaned the Roman Empire, the Roman culture changed dramatically over that period, and finally collapsed. Our “Western Culture” is a descendent of the Roman Culture, not the Roman Culture itself.

The Black “subculture” may be a bastard child of Western Culture, but it is not Western Culture.

But that does not change the fact that Obama’s BLT culture rejects our culture and seeks its destruction, as does his socialist culture. Socialism and BLT may be child cultures, but Erik and Lyle were children of Jose and Kitty Menendez.

Because other races, in general, do not value the heritage of Western Civilization.

This is a generalization, of course. Specific individuals of any race may adopt any culture.

Western Culture _is_ fluid, and so cannot be defined so much by what it is, but by what it is not. The Hispanic Culture is certainly different from that of non-Hispanic whites, or we would not have “Hispanic Culture” classes in schools.

Words are imperfect, as am I. That I am unable to articluate to your satisfaction what constitutes “Western Culture” makes it no less real.

The definition of “culture” includes “the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another” and “the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.”

I think we can agree that by both of these definitions, there is a Hispanic Culture in America, and that that culture is different from that derived from northern Europe.

Fine, we’ll call it “Northern European Culture,” rather than “Western Culture.” It is a name only. Happy?

Do you not agree that, whatever we decide to call it, it differs from Hispanic Culture?

If you’re asking me if German culture differs from French culture or New York culture differs from Virginia culture, well, duh.

But that has nothing to do with your original post. Your original post said that Western Civilization is dying and your evidence for this contention was that the birth rate of white people is declining.

So what would make me “happy” would be if you admitted that “western civilization” does not consist solely of white people, that there is no correlation between the health of western civilization and the birth rate of one particular race, that David Duke is not more “western” than Condolezza Rice and that your original post was even more dunderheaded than your usual tripe.

Jack,

What kind of work do you do that brings you together with black and white (brown also, I suppose) Hispanics?

An inquiring mind wants to know.

Jack: Condoleeza has one Z BTW.

Jack, it was a good try, and I even agree with you up to a certain point. But (as usual) you’re confused (and so, wrong). The issue isn’t the definition of “Western”, but focusing on the word “culture”.

Northern European PEOPLE are dying out. Those that can trace a majority of ancestry back to Northern Europe (within a few generations) appears to be trending downward. Japanese people are also heading in the same direction. The primary reason seems to be that affluence (for people in rich countries) is inversely proportional to the number of children, so people are having fewer children, but protecting each child far more than in the past (bike helmets, mandated vaccinations, etc.).

However, affluence in poorer countries seems to be proportional to the number of children (working the field, etc.) so they have more of them.

As far as culture, though, you’re off base. The rest of the world would shake their head and say “don’t you see that U.S. culture has invaded the world over the last 60 years?” Do you know of any commercial airports that don’t use English? Certainly cultural styles from across the world are melding everywhere, and so from that standpoint ALL cultures are dying and forming a new, more homogeneous culture across many countries.

If you don’t want Western Europeans to die out, have more kids. If you don’t want U.S. culture to die out, export more Coke, work hard, commit to freedom (yay SCOTUS!), keep writing books and blogs.