[UPDATE: Dan Genz of the Examiner reports the crackdown won't be all it's cracked up to be or all that Sheriff Simpson requested. This does not bode too well for much change in eastern Loudoun.]
Loudoun County Sheriff Steve Simpson announced yesterday that the federal bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has approved the Loudoun Sheriff’s Office for participation in the federal 287(g) program, which provides authority and additional tools for local government agencies to enforce federal immigration laws.
It’s about time.
Help Save Loudoun presented a detailed proposal on the 287(g) program to the Loudoun Board of Supervisors in October, 2006.
NVTH readers may recall that the Sheriff’s changing stance on 287(g) was a controversial issue in the county last year. The Joseph Passarelli tragedy highlighted the spectacular failure of local law enforcement agencies, who had the illegal alien, hit-and-run driver in custody 23 times and let him go in every single instance. Let’s hope the new, formal relationship between our Sheriff’s Office and ICE will also lead to a reversal of what is perceived in Sterling to be a very hands-off approach to illegal aliens by local law enforcement.
The problem as we see it in Sterling appears as follows: Illegal aliens are a sticky wicket for certain local government agencies – specifically, the Sheriff’s Office and the Zoning Enforcement Team – to deal with, so representatives of those agencies routinely give illegal aliens a free pass for infractions that would land citizens in a heap of trouble. If you or I had a DUI incident, turned our residence into a boarding house or began running a construction-related subcontracting business out of our home, we would be spanked legally and financially in short order. Illegals, however, seem to get away with stuff like this all the time. At a “community meeting” a few weeks ago, that was the dominant complaint from the citizens – of ALL ethnic groups – who attended. What we want is for our Sheriff’s Office to apply the same rules to illegal aliens that apply to us, and the new agreement with ICE provides an opportunity for hope that infractions under the jurisdiction of the Sheriff’s Office will now be dealt with more effectively. (The Zoning Enforcement Team, alas, may be beyond hope, and that is a blog post for another day).
So let’s hope that the continual DUI infractions, assorted related crimes, and crimes of every sort will now begin to abate as the Sheriff’s Office takes a more proactive stance on apprehending and processing illegal aliens suspected of violations. When word gets out that Loudoun County is once more under the rule of law, our community may become a less attractive location for illegal migrant workers.
As reported in today’s New York Times, even the Bush administration has been taking a harder line on illegals which is nothing short of a miracle; so while we can’t expect him to be transformed into Sheriff Joe overnight, we should expect Sheriff Steve Simpson to instill a culture of enforcing the rule of law throughout his department.
In case any of our readers are not clued in about why it is important for local government agencies to have all the necessary tools and authority to apprehend illegal alien criminals rather then let them slip through the net, this seems as good a time as any for another illegal alien recent crime round-up. Most of these links, below the fold, are from our vigilant, esteemed reader Lynn.
Washington-area police report wave of burglaries, cite illegal immigrants.
Border agents find booby trap in desert.
Trial slated to begin in gay nightclub killing.
Immigration failure falls hard on suburban D.C. (Actually a success story, but note the babysitter has moved to Sterling – thanks, Loudoun Sheriff’s Office and Zoning Enforcement Team!)
Mayor wants mea culpa from Casa, NAACP (re: the criminal-enabling organization Casa de Maryland.)
Suspect charged in Warwick robbery, rape.
Deportation fear fuels flight (287(g) works!)
Suspects allegedly pass counterfeit bills at Seekonk Bed, Bath and Beyond.
Caucus is on the wrong side on immigration (Virginia’s black legislators inexplicably fail to support black citizens).
Teen mom charged in stabbing death of infant.
Man charged with videotaping women in bathroom at South Brunswick warehouse.
The cost of hiring 126 illegal aliens: $6.8 million (employer nabbed – when will that happen in Loudoun?)
2 Brewster men sentenced for having sex with minor girls.
Police Arrest Suspect In Hit-And-Run of 69-Year-Old Woman.
Suspect in triple fatal wreck under immigration detainer.
Man arrested in violent Avon assault.
Twice-deported immigrant convicted of killing man.
South L.A. backyards are becoming barnyards.
Man charged with drilling dog’s head deported.
Heavily-tattooed suspect identified in island stabbing.
Bluffton teen’s tragic death brings gift of life to others.
Newark Triple Murder Suspect Gets 8 Years in Assault.
Claims of ID fraud lead to largest raid in state history.
It’s a short list but, hey, it only covers a 30-day period.
Tags: 287(g), Loudoun County, Steve Simpson
Gracias Gringo!
” have demonstrated just how much anti-immigrant people are extremist, separatist, and racists, who are willing to break the law to deport members of our Hispanic community.”
Bob Smith aka any liberal idiot we’ve had speak here-mostly sounds like zimzo using the “racist” card!
Jack,
“Besides those three, can you think of any other reason one might be ineligible to vote?”
How about number 4 being those here legally that haven’t obtained citizen status yet.
Activist — that’s number 3: “If one is not a U.S. citizen, one is not eligible to vote.”
What you all fail to realize, is that I am a conservative; I am anti-gay marriage, pro-gun, fiscally conservative, pro tax breaks, among other things. I am what you call a “compassionate conservative”, or better yet, a conservative with a brain and not a tape recorder for a mouth. I care about the civil liberties of the Hispanic community notice the word civil in “civilian” A civilian under international humanitarian law is a person who is not a member of his or her country’s armed forces. The term is also often used colloquially to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by law enforcement agencies, which often use rank structures similar to those of military units. Illegal Immigrants also have human right as well.
As I have said before, I do not support illegal immigration; this is a violation of law. One who cares about humanity must however try to under the cause of it. Let’s face it, it was easier for your European ancestors to migrate to this country then it currently is for people of color. That is the only reason that Caucasians are the majority demographic in this country. The immigration system must be reformed, and the process must be made easier, faster, and fair for all. However, we cannot go crazy let everybody in, there must reasonable quotas in place. Stringent security measures also need to be in place to ensure we are not allowing criminals in this country.
I take offense to being labeled a liberal wacko because I care about humanity. If you get caught up on the facts, and not think out of the box, you’re just a marketer of the paradigm. Why are you so selfish? Why is it that Joe resorts to making fun on Hispanic surnames to support is anti-immigration stance? Why is it that anti-immigration people see it perfectly feasible to break up happy homes? Why is it that you can’t solace in a “diplomatic” solution to the problem? I know why, because deep down, while you may not be racist, you do not believe in a “melting pot community”, or diversity. You want to stay in your all white communities. You probable dislike black people, along with all other minorities. You need to realize that America is changing, and fast, a black man is poised to become President, minority groups are growing everyday, and soon you will be the minority. Face it, and get with the program!
Bub Smith,
“Let’s face it, it was easier for your European ancestors to migrate to this country then it currently is for people of color. That is the only reason that Caucasians are the majority demographic in this country.”
People of color? Ex-panics ARE caucasian or didn’t you know that. That was a Politically Correct (PC) statement you made which is a LIBERAL trait.
“One who cares about humanity must however try to under the cause of it.”
Humanity is caused by being human. The act of humanity is compassion. Compassion given to those breaking the law is another LIBERAL trait.
“Why are you so selfish?”
Because we expect immigrants coming here to embrace and conform to their new country. Illegals don’t do that because they are here for selfish reasons. Us, selfish? Because we expect people to OBEY the law of the land? This is another trick used by LIBERALS-divert the blame.
“Why is it that anti-immigration people see it perfectly feasible to break up happy homes?”
Whose anti-immigration? You got that from here where? We are anti-ILLEGALS. And we don’t want to break-up their happy families. We want their WHOLE family to leave. If the child(ren) were born here, they can come back when they are ready (after emmancipation).
“Why is it that you can’t solace in a “diplomatic” solution to the problem?”
We “tried” that years ago and that was another broken promise because here we are at the same exact place AGAIN!!! Diplomatic solution=LIBERAL lie.
” I know why, because deep down, while you may not be racist, you do not believe in a “melting pot community”, or diversity.”
Sure we do. The legal immigrants do it on a regular basis. Illegals do not.
“You probable dislike black people, along with all other minorities.”
Now there is a true general LIBERAL attack. At this point I am within my right to call you a LIBERAL idiot! Have a terrible day!
There are many black hispanics my friend. Don’t lump hispanics into one description.
“Let’s face it, it was easier for your European ancestors to migrate to this country then it currently is for people of color. That is the only reason that Caucasians are the majority demographic in this country.”
It was no easier for my ancestors to get to North America than it was for the Spanish to get to South America, Central America, and Mexico. They’ve done such a fine job down there, why don’t they stay?
A negro ex-panic is still a Negroid. A caucasian African is still a Caucasoid. Don’t mix nationalities with race.
Bob Smith,
Your initials are BS and you live up to them to a tee. What tripe. ACT pegged it, and I will add one more, claiming to be conservative while espousing La Raza-esque talking points is hugely hilarious. It is:
1. mendacious
2. liberal
3. stupid
Have a nice day.
Jacob, think you left out closet racist..
ex-panic is a racist term…try Hispanic. You know its funny, you do not believe that I am a conservative. Well, I am. I am just not RUSH conservative. You people need to wake up with one sided view of conservatism. Look where it got us with BUSH. McCain is no better.
Coservatives for Obama 2008
You must be ashamed of your likely party of choice–the Republicans, as they are trying to play for the hispanic vote.
McCain supports amnesty, says immigration activist (OneNewsNow.com)Feb 1, 2008 … Then, he says, McCain will give amnesty to the remaining ten million, but require them to pay a fine and learn English. …
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=66141 – 45k –
But he is a flip flopper.
Who will you vote for?
You have nobody in your corner!
What Loudoun does now, will someday be futile!
“ex-panic is a racist term…try Hispanic”
I spelled it incorrectly. It should read “ex-spanic” as in no longer Spanish! If you want it to be racist then that is fine with me. I stopped paying attention to what you care about when you started your BS. Bob, you are a moron!
BTW a TRUE conservative would never back Osama-bama knowing what a committed LIBERAL he is. You know, it’s funny you saying you are a conservative. I think you meant to say that you are a progressive, right?
<= That’s a winkie face-as in pulling the wool over ones’ eyes as you wish to do.
“Osama-bama” is another derogatory term for a sitting U.S. senator, shameful on you. Well I will do it to how President BUSH Sh*T You also have a tape recorder mouth for RUSH. It is easy to call me a idiot, just like it was for me to call you ignorant. But face it, you are fighting a loosing battle. I took a play from the conservative play book. Name calling, insulting one personally, oh I almost forgot, propaganda. I am a true conservative.
Bob Smith,
‘”Osama-bama” is another derogatory term for a sitting U.S. senator, shameful on you.’
Well color me shameless. As a conservative I am the target of crap like racist, bigot, misogynist etc. etc. etc. If ACT want to make fun of his name that is OK by me.
Yup your a conservative all right, like Obama is a centrist, and Hilary is a lady.
“Bob” is transparently working off a standard liberal playbook that has been running for years with regard to talk radio strategy – so no surprise he brings up talk radio. The tactic is to call a conservative talk radio program, and announce yourself as someone the audience will identify with, and then commence to deliver liberal talking points.
As in: “I am a conservative and longtime Republican voter, and it just sickens me to see the mess this president has gotten us into in Iraq…”
My guess is “Bob” really is “Roberto” and a Latino activist of some sort.
B.S.:
I’m still waiting for an answer to my question. The Spanish and their descendents have South America, Central America, and Mexico. Why do they want to come here?
That’s a great question.
“B.S.:
I’m still waiting for an answer to my question. The Spanish and their descendents have South America, Central America, and Mexico. Why do they want to come here?”
Spanish are people from Spain. I do not understand your question.
If your asking why Hispanic people want to come here, it is the same reason “euro’pions” came here. To live the American Dream.
I am a defected conservative if that makes you all feel better. A liberal would not support gun rights? I am a outspoken advocate for gun rights. I am anti-illegal immigration to! That why I am for securing our borders.
The reason why I am so staunchly against you all, is because you some how are living this fantasy that you can deport all the illegals in this country, or take away there legitimate employment and they will just leave on their on accord.
This, I believe, is foolish to assume. If you talk to any criminologist about what happens when indigent people cannot find employment, they will tell you that typically you see large amounts of them participating in criminal activity.
In essence, your strategies only exacerbates the problems we face in Loudoun and does not rectify them.
I think amnesty for working, non-criminal illegal aliens is the right solution. We need to know who they are in order to hold them accountable for their actions. My purpose is to invoke real discussion between two hard opposing sides.
For too long our government has been using propaganda to get the public to back propositions.
Now I am using propaganda to get the public to see the propositions are a load of horse sh*t!
They are leaving Prince William and they will leave here. Fairfax, Arlington and Montgomery counties are far more hospitable to illegal aliens and corrupt employers.
“Hispanic” == “of Spanish origin”
(So, Brazilians are NOT Hispanics.)
What’s to understand? Why can they not live the “American Dream” in South AMERICA, Central AMERICA, and Mexico (which is, of course, in North AMERICA)?
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“[You] some how are living this fantasy that you can deport all the illegals in this country, or take away there (sic) legitimate employment and they will just leave on their on accord.”
Uh, if they are here ILLEGALLY, they cannot have LEGITIMATE employment here.
“If you talk to any criminologist about what happens when indigent people cannot find employment, they will tell you that typically you see large amounts of them participating in criminal activity.”
Yes, they cannot find jobs in their own countries, so they are breaking the law by coming here. Of course, they are taking the jobs of OUR people (mainly Blacks), so you can expect more crime from our indigenous indigent people. If they cannot find jobs here, some illegals will go home, and fewer will come.
“I think amnesty for working, non-criminal illegal aliens is the right solution. We need to know who they are in order to hold them accountable for their actions.”
Ridiculous — if you grant them amnesty, you are NOT holding them accountable for their actions. Furthermore, granting them amnesty is patently unfair to those who have waited years to come here LEGALLY.
Read this:
or 2006 crime stats, Montgomery County Had 2 murders( 1 in germantown and 1 in montgomery village). There was no murder in the districts of Bethesda, Silver Spring, wheaton and Rockville.
For Rape crimes there was none in Bethesda(down from 2 in 2005), 1 in Rockville, 3 in silver spring(up from 1 in 2005, 5 in wheaton(up from 3 in 2005), 2 in germantown and 4 in montgomery village.
For Robbery silver spring was up nearly 100 percent from 20 to 38( so far in 2007 robbery is down compared to same periodlast year). Wheaton had 23 down from 25 in 2005. Rockville and Montgomery Village each had 11. Bethesda had 6 and germantown had 5.
For Aggrevated Assault : Rockville recorded the lowest with 5, bethesda and montgomery village tied at 7, germantown at 8, silver spring had 11 and wheaton had 18
For burglary Rockville had 51, Bethesda 50, silver spring 69, wheaton 88, germantown 41 and montgomery village had 43.
For Larceny Rockville had 217, Bethesda had 242, Silver spring had 288, wheaton had 238, germantown had 127 and montgomery village had 253.
For Auto Theft where 80 percent of the cars are recovered mostly in PG County(I can attest to that…my car was stolen at a parking garage and recovered in PG County).
Rockville 25, Bethesda 25, silver spring 60,wheaton 50, germantown 19, Montgomery village 28.
Read more here
http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/co…StatsFinal.pdf
Compare these stats to Loudoun. Is illegal immigration really that much of a crime problem if Mont Co. is so hospitable towards them.
You see, they will all keep moving to less hostile county’s. This proves my point that:
1.Your solution is only a temporary one and does not solve the problem.
2.State and Local governments are noneffective at immigration enforcement, and the responsibility belongs with the Federal Government who is also ineffective at immigration enforcement as well. Comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level is need to solve the problem.
If you really cared about the issue maybe you would start SaveTheUnitedStates.
“Hispanic” == “of Spanish origin”
(So, Brazilians are NOT Hispanics.)
What’s to understand? Why can they not live the “American Dream” in South AMERICA, Central AMERICA, and Mexico (which is, of course, in North AMERICA)?
Because all these countries are poor. The government system is broken, and in many instances corrupt. In the United States, there are many opportunities for them to support their families here and abroad. Most of them are hard working people who do the jobs you won’t do. Like field work, or cleaning.
You know I think many of you should at least once in your life take the opportunity to talk to one of these illegal immigrant families and let them tell you. I have done it and it really helped me understand them.
What I really feel sorry for is the fact that the alien criminals mostly pray on their own, and because the public sentiment against the illegal aliens, they do not get the best service from Law Enforcement. Many of them are afraid of Law Enforcement, especially those departments that have implemented 287-G.
“Because all these countries are poor. The government system is broken, and in many instances corrupt.”
BINGO!! You win the boobie prize. So they, or their ancestors, screwed up THEIR country, so we should let them come here, let them vote, and screw this one up, too?
“Most of them are hard working people who do the jobs you won’t do. Like field work, or cleaning.”
Bull Hockey. I’ve been a dining-hall pot-washer, and I’ve cleaned grease pits. My cousin (also of fine Anglo-Saxon stock) is a housekeeper. Don’t give me crap about “jobs you won’t do.”
“If you really cared about the issue maybe you would start SaveTheUnitedStates.”
Way ahead of ya.
http://SaveTheUnitedStates.com is taken, but don’t worry, http://helpsavetheus.com is slowly getting underway.
“You know I think many of you should at least once in your life take the opportunity to talk to one of these illegal immigrant families and let them tell you.”
You mean like a family of 13 unrelated young adult men?
BS,
“If you talk to any criminologist about what happens when indigent people cannot find employment, they will tell you that typically you see large amounts of them participating in criminal activity.”
“I am a outspoken advocate for gun rights.”
Did you hear about the guy in Texas that shot and killed 2 illegals robbing his neighbors’ house. The grand jury refused to indict him. You’re all for freedom of guns and their legitimate use, right Bob?
“You see, they will all keep moving to less hostile county’s.”
Exactly. Litttle steps, Bob. First the county, then the state, then the counrty! Little steps.
“If you really cared about the issue maybe you would start SaveTheUnitedStates.”
Good idea. First we will stick with Help Save Loudoun and when that has been achieved we will move to Help Save Virginia In Spite Of Gov. Kain’t. Then of course Save The United States and we will stop there. The LIBERALS and morons already claim Save The World (or the whales. Maybe both). Again, little steps Bob
Jobs that Americans won’t do ?
I am willing to bet that there are a great many more American citizens cleaning their homes than illegal migrants.
I am also willing to bet that nationwide, there are more American citizens in hotel and landscaping employ than illegal migrants. Once you get away from major metropolitan areas, these jobs that Americans won’t do, Americans are doing.
We had to spend several hours at Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport last week and it is amazing the jobs Americans will do in a state that has passed legal hiring legislation
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/fulltext/sb529.htm
I hear Oklahoma, Arizona and several counties around the U.S. have passed similar measures.
Also, as Dan notes, if you go a wee bit outside the illegal hiring zones – here in VA, it means about 60-70 miles south on I95 – you will see Americans doing every job.
Did you hear about the guy in Texas that shot and killed 2 illegals robbing his neighbors’ house. The grand jury refused to indict him. You’re all for freedom of guns and their legitimate use, right Bob?
If someone breaks into your house, illegal or not, you should have the right to defend your property. That why I like Texas and Geogia so much. In virginia there is no right to defend against property.
Roberto,
OK to shoot, but unless the perpetrator is aiming a gun at you, it wouldn’t be necessary to KILL, it seems.
Isn’t disabling enough?
“We had to spend several hours at Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport last week and it is amazing the jobs Americans will do in a state that has passed legal hiring legislation
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/fulltext/sb529.htm”
I am for this type of legislation. However, we should consider allowing english speaking, illegals, who have been illegaly working in this country for 5 years or more, who have had no criminal convictions to stay.
The notion that all household with illegals are filled with 10 unrelated men is a myth.
There are many households where there is a farther and a mother, with children who were born here, who have American friends, are going to school, ect. It would be wrong to ask the whole family to leave icluding the children.
Deporting illegals who are not working, and are criminal is the way to go.
I not saying lets make them citizens, I am not in favor of that. I am just saying lets make them legal to work via a green card or someting simular. Then they are nolonger a liabilty to our goverment resources as they will be paying taxes.
Illegal are hurting, and helping our economy.
They are helping by allowing american companies to compete with international outsourcing.
Hurting beacuse they are not paying taxes. Even though, I have heard that some do, I don’t know how that would be possible.
Isn’t disabling enough?
Being trained on this subject, we were always taught to shoot to stop the threat, not to disable it, if the person who was the threat dies in the process then that is just an uncontrollable circumsatnce.
There are multiple variables in play in deciding when if use of force was justified, one of them is the totality of circumstances.
Night time
2 unknown intruders
Hostile in nature
Have broke into your house
There is a strong possibility they may cause you harm
What would you do?
One final note, I will say that our indignant people here in America are affected by illegal immigration to a certain extent. But one must ask their self, is this because our indignant people don’t help themselves first. These illegal workers are hard working people; they want to work, sometimes 16 hour days.
You can go down south and see indignant whites, who can’t read or write, are not working, on drugs, and engaging in criminal activity as well. But they are apart of the majority in this country, what is wrong with that picture?
Roberto is correct. If you are going to point your gun at someone, you should be prepared to destroy them. Shooting someone in the leg, as they do on TV, still leaves open the chance that person could hurt you if indeed that person is a threat to you.
If the person is not such a threat that you feel wounding them is sufficient, then don’t shoot, just get the hell away, and call 911. We don’t have the castle doctrine in VA, so you don’t want to be shooting anyone unless you perceive definite physical threat to yourself, in which case you need to eliminate the threat.
I believe most Police Officer’s are trained to shoot center mass, which is the rule I’d follow if Roberto’s scenario presented itself, and if it was light enough for me to see shooting center mass. If it is dark I also would not wait for the intruder to present a gun first, I’d shoot first.
I am not aiming at a leg or shoulder so that they can get up, run into my kid’s room and do them harm.
That sounded kind of mixed up, if I can see center mass, that is where I am shooting. If I can’t see and the situation warrants it, I would probably still shoot.
That’s a good way of putting it: Either the situation warrants it, or it does not. In the fist case you shoot to kill, in the second you do not shoot.
Pulling that trigger anywhere except on a range is going to bring a whole heap of trouble into your life no matter the circumstances, so it better be the only possible choice.
There is something about a woman talking about shooting center mass that gets me all goose-pimpley!
You’re weird, ACTivist!
I mean “funny” weird, of course.
Center of mass, yes, that is why many practice with an 8×10 sheet of paper, approximates center of mass fairly well.
What would I do ? What the NRA teaches. Assuming time permits, round up the family into a safe room, typically a bedroom, We defend the perimeter of the safe room while one family member calls 911. Anyone entering this safe room will be assumed to mean harm to the occupants, and we will shoot to prevent entrance. Two shots center mass minimum if using a pistol. The last thing I want to do is go down stairs and leave my family undefended, or worse if they become witnesses to my murder. A very good book on this and other topics is In the Gravest Extreme.
In Virginia, you may meet force with force, unless of course you were an instigator of the conflict. From our friends over at VCDL :
n McCoy V. Commonwealth, 125 Va. 771, 776, 99 S. E. 644, 646, Judge Burks,in speaking of the difference between justifiable and excusable homicide in self-defense, quotes with approval the following: “The rule may be briefly stated thus: If the accused is in no fault whatever, but in the discharge of a lawful act, he need not retreat, but may repel force by force, if need be, to the extent of slaying his adversary. This is justifiable homicide in self-defense. But if a sudden fight is brought on, without malice or intention, the accused, if in fault, must retreat as far as he safely can, but, having done so and in good faith abandoned the fight, may kill his adversary, if he cannot in any other way preserve his life or save [980] himself from great bodily harm. Vaiden’s Case, 12 Graft. (53 Va.) 717, 729.”
Gilbert vs. Commonwealth (‘98) covers much of the same ground.
http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavtx/2527971.txt
“However, we should consider allowing english speaking, illegals, who have been illegaly (sic)working in this country for 5 years or more, who have had no criminal convictions to stay.”
Why? If someone has been breaking the law for five years, they should be allowed to stay, but someone who has only been breaking the law for one year is deported? That is simply illogical.
I say deport anyone found here illegally, and confiscate all their property.