Gracias Gringo!

Jack,

“Besides those three, can you think of any other reason one might be ineligible to vote?”

How about number 4 being those here legally that haven’t obtained citizen status yet.

What you all fail to realize, is that I am a conservative; I am anti-gay marriage, pro-gun, fiscally conservative, pro tax breaks, among other things. I am what you call a “compassionate conservative”, or better yet, a conservative with a brain and not a tape recorder for a mouth. I care about the civil liberties of the Hispanic community notice the word civil in “civilian” A civilian under international humanitarian law is a person who is not a member of his or her country’s armed forces. The term is also often used colloquially to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by law enforcement agencies, which often use rank structures similar to those of military units. Illegal Immigrants also have human right as well.

As I have said before, I do not support illegal immigration; this is a violation of law. One who cares about humanity must however try to under the cause of it. Let’s face it, it was easier for your European ancestors to migrate to this country then it currently is for people of color. That is the only reason that Caucasians are the majority demographic in this country. The immigration system must be reformed, and the process must be made easier, faster, and fair for all. However, we cannot go crazy let everybody in, there must reasonable quotas in place. Stringent security measures also need to be in place to ensure we are not allowing criminals in this country.

I take offense to being labeled a liberal wacko because I care about humanity. If you get caught up on the facts, and not think out of the box, you’re just a marketer of the paradigm. Why are you so selfish? Why is it that Joe resorts to making fun on Hispanic surnames to support is anti-immigration stance? Why is it that anti-immigration people see it perfectly feasible to break up happy homes? Why is it that you can’t solace in a “diplomatic” solution to the problem? I know why, because deep down, while you may not be racist, you do not believe in a “melting pot community”, or diversity. You want to stay in your all white communities. You probable dislike black people, along with all other minorities. You need to realize that America is changing, and fast, a black man is poised to become President, minority groups are growing everyday, and soon you will be the minority. Face it, and get with the program!

There are many black hispanics my friend. Don’t lump hispanics into one description.

A negro ex-panic is still a Negroid. A caucasian African is still a Caucasoid. Don’t mix nationalities with race.

Jacob, think you left out closet racist..

“ex-panic is a racist term…try Hispanic”

I spelled it incorrectly. It should read “ex-spanic” as in no longer Spanish! If you want it to be racist then that is fine with me. I stopped paying attention to what you care about when you started your BS. Bob, you are a moron!

BTW a TRUE conservative would never back Osama-bama knowing what a committed LIBERAL he is. You know, it’s funny you saying you are a conservative. I think you meant to say that you are a progressive, right? <= That’s a winkie face-as in pulling the wool over ones’ eyes as you wish to do.

B.S.:

I’m still waiting for an answer to my question. The Spanish and their descendents have South America, Central America, and Mexico. Why do they want to come here?

“B.S.:

I’m still waiting for an answer to my question. The Spanish and their descendents have South America, Central America, and Mexico. Why do they want to come here?”

Spanish are people from Spain. I do not understand your question.

If your asking why Hispanic people want to come here, it is the same reason “euro’pions” came here. To live the American Dream.

I am a defected conservative if that makes you all feel better. A liberal would not support gun rights? I am a outspoken advocate for gun rights. I am anti-illegal immigration to! That why I am for securing our borders.

The reason why I am so staunchly against you all, is because you some how are living this fantasy that you can deport all the illegals in this country, or take away there legitimate employment and they will just leave on their on accord.

This, I believe, is foolish to assume. If you talk to any criminologist about what happens when indigent people cannot find employment, they will tell you that typically you see large amounts of them participating in criminal activity.

In essence, your strategies only exacerbates the problems we face in Loudoun and does not rectify them.

I think amnesty for working, non-criminal illegal aliens is the right solution. We need to know who they are in order to hold them accountable for their actions. My purpose is to invoke real discussion between two hard opposing sides.

For too long our government has been using propaganda to get the public to back propositions.

Now I am using propaganda to get the public to see the propositions are a load of horse sh*t!

“Hispanic” == “of Spanish origin”

(So, Brazilians are NOT Hispanics.)

What’s to understand? Why can they not live the “American Dream” in South AMERICA, Central AMERICA, and Mexico (which is, of course, in North AMERICA)?

Because all these countries are poor. The government system is broken, and in many instances corrupt. In the United States, there are many opportunities for them to support their families here and abroad. Most of them are hard working people who do the jobs you won’t do. Like field work, or cleaning.

You know I think many of you should at least once in your life take the opportunity to talk to one of these illegal immigrant families and let them tell you. I have done it and it really helped me understand them.

What I really feel sorry for is the fact that the alien criminals mostly pray on their own, and because the public sentiment against the illegal aliens, they do not get the best service from Law Enforcement. Many of them are afraid of Law Enforcement, especially those departments that have implemented 287-G.

Jobs that Americans won’t do ?

I am willing to bet that there are a great many more American citizens cleaning their homes than illegal migrants.

I am also willing to bet that nationwide, there are more American citizens in hotel and landscaping employ than illegal migrants. Once you get away from major metropolitan areas, these jobs that Americans won’t do, Americans are doing.

Did you hear about the guy in Texas that shot and killed 2 illegals robbing his neighbors’ house. The grand jury refused to indict him. You’re all for freedom of guns and their legitimate use, right Bob?

If someone breaks into your house, illegal or not, you should have the right to defend your property. That why I like Texas and Geogia so much. In virginia there is no right to defend against property.

“We had to spend several hours at Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport last week and it is amazing the jobs Americans will do in a state that has passed legal hiring legislation

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/fulltext/sb529.htm”

I am for this type of legislation. However, we should consider allowing english speaking, illegals, who have been illegaly working in this country for 5 years or more, who have had no criminal convictions to stay.

The notion that all household with illegals are filled with 10 unrelated men is a myth.

There are many households where there is a farther and a mother, with children who were born here, who have American friends, are going to school, ect. It would be wrong to ask the whole family to leave icluding the children.

Deporting illegals who are not working, and are criminal is the way to go.

I not saying lets make them citizens, I am not in favor of that. I am just saying lets make them legal to work via a green card or someting simular. Then they are nolonger a liabilty to our goverment resources as they will be paying taxes.

Illegal are hurting, and helping our economy.

They are helping by allowing american companies to compete with international outsourcing.

Hurting beacuse they are not paying taxes. Even though, I have heard that some do, I don’t know how that would be possible.

One final note, I will say that our indignant people here in America are affected by illegal immigration to a certain extent. But one must ask their self, is this because our indignant people don’t help themselves first. These illegal workers are hard working people; they want to work, sometimes 16 hour days.

You can go down south and see indignant whites, who can’t read or write, are not working, on drugs, and engaging in criminal activity as well. But they are apart of the majority in this country, what is wrong with that picture?

I believe most Police Officer’s are trained to shoot center mass, which is the rule I’d follow if Roberto’s scenario presented itself, and if it was light enough for me to see shooting center mass. If it is dark I also would not wait for the intruder to present a gun first, I’d shoot first.

I am not aiming at a leg or shoulder so that they can get up, run into my kid’s room and do them harm.

That’s a good way of putting it: Either the situation warrants it, or it does not. In the fist case you shoot to kill, in the second you do not shoot.

Pulling that trigger anywhere except on a range is going to bring a whole heap of trouble into your life no matter the circumstances, so it better be the only possible choice.

You’re weird, ACTivist!

Center of mass, yes, that is why many practice with an 8×10 sheet of paper, approximates center of mass fairly well.

What would I do ? What the NRA teaches. Assuming time permits, round up the family into a safe room, typically a bedroom, We defend the perimeter of the safe room while one family member calls 911. Anyone entering this safe room will be assumed to mean harm to the occupants, and we will shoot to prevent entrance. Two shots center mass minimum if using a pistol. The last thing I want to do is go down stairs and leave my family undefended, or worse if they become witnesses to my murder. A very good book on this and other topics is In the Gravest Extreme.

In Virginia, you may meet force with force, unless of course you were an instigator of the conflict. From our friends over at VCDL :

n McCoy V. Commonwealth, 125 Va. 771, 776, 99 S. E. 644, 646, Judge Burks,in speaking of the difference between justifiable and excusable homicide in self-defense, quotes with approval the following: “The rule may be briefly stated thus: If the accused is in no fault whatever, but in the discharge of a lawful act, he need not retreat, but may repel force by force, if need be, to the extent of slaying his adversary. This is justifiable homicide in self-defense. But if a sudden fight is brought on, without malice or intention, the accused, if in fault, must retreat as far as he safely can, but, having done so and in good faith abandoned the fight, may kill his adversary, if he cannot in any other way preserve his life or save [980] himself from great bodily harm. Vaiden’s Case, 12 Graft. (53 Va.) 717, 729.”

Gilbert vs. Commonwealth (‘98) covers much of the same ground.
http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavtx/2527971.txt

Terrific post,Maybe I will sign up to your rss.