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		<title>By: Boost Mileage</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-11531</link>
		<dc:creator>Boost Mileage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Post. Thanks for the info&lt;a&gt;:)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Post. Thanks for the info<a> <img src='http://novatownhall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </a></p>
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		<title>By: ACTivist</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8325</link>
		<dc:creator>ACTivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll,

Our oil exporters could stop that flow a lot easier than we could start drilling for new.  I would never want to see a release of the SPR as a temporary solution.  It only means that we fill up the reserve at higher prices than before.  With ducks in a row (expedite new leases, implament new refineries and issue permits for new nuke plants) a planned release would send OUR oil prices down for domestic use and help OUR economy in so many ways.  And, yes, economic hardships or not, the govt controls that reserve to be used and distributed as THEY see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll,</p>
<p>Our oil exporters could stop that flow a lot easier than we could start drilling for new.  I would never want to see a release of the SPR as a temporary solution.  It only means that we fill up the reserve at higher prices than before.  With ducks in a row (expedite new leases, implament new refineries and issue permits for new nuke plants) a planned release would send OUR oil prices down for domestic use and help OUR economy in so many ways.  And, yes, economic hardships or not, the govt controls that reserve to be used and distributed as THEY see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the 1/2 troll</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8320</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric the 1/2 troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

That is why I wrote this:

I MIGHT accept that the SPR needs to be maintained so we can meet domestic needs when there is a true disruption of petroleum and not to respond to price changes since we really do not have a “shotage” or disruption in supply of crude - it is just expensive. But it is undeniable that releasing crude from the SPR will drive down crude prices (and a lot faster than leasing land off the coast of Florida or Virginia) and US economic impact is the reason for the SPR.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>That is why I wrote this:</p>
<p>I MIGHT accept that the SPR needs to be maintained so we can meet domestic needs when there is a true disruption of petroleum and not to respond to price changes since we really do not have a “shotage” or disruption in supply of crude &#8211; it is just expensive. But it is undeniable that releasing crude from the SPR will drive down crude prices (and a lot faster than leasing land off the coast of Florida or Virginia) and US economic impact is the reason for the SPR.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8289</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

&quot;“Established in the aftermath of the 1973-74 oil embargo, the SPR provides the President with a powerful response option should a disruption in commercial oil supplies threaten the U.S. economy.”&quot;

Where is the disruption in our oil supplies ?  I have yet to see one gas station with a &quot;NO GAS&quot; sign. You ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>&#8220;“Established in the aftermath of the 1973-74 oil embargo, the SPR provides the President with a powerful response option should a disruption in commercial oil supplies threaten the U.S. economy.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is the disruption in our oil supplies ?  I have yet to see one gas station with a &#8220;NO GAS&#8221; sign. You ?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jacob, 

Actually I wasn&#039;t, I just wasn&#039;t discussing them here. Need to save some talking points for our next meet at the watering hole.

Am I the only one getting thirsty around here ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jacob, </p>
<p>Actually I wasn&#8217;t, I just wasn&#8217;t discussing them here. Need to save some talking points for our next meet at the watering hole.</p>
<p>Am I the only one getting thirsty around here ?</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8280</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll,
&quot;The market knows that Congress needs to enact legislation and it also knows how unlikely that is.&quot;
With congress sitting on its hind quarters, pressure needs to be applied.  With the executive order removed, one of the gates is down.  Hope springs eternal in the mind of investors, that why they are investors.

But you are right, if congress refuses to act then the price will go back up.  However, I am not sure congress can&#039;t be made to budge, GWB still has his stuttering pulpit, and this is a great issue with which to beat the other party with. :)

With $4 a gallon gas people want us to drill.  The Democrat party ignores this at their peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll,<br />
&#8220;The market knows that Congress needs to enact legislation and it also knows how unlikely that is.&#8221;<br />
With congress sitting on its hind quarters, pressure needs to be applied.  With the executive order removed, one of the gates is down.  Hope springs eternal in the mind of investors, that why they are investors.</p>
<p>But you are right, if congress refuses to act then the price will go back up.  However, I am not sure congress can&#8217;t be made to budge, GWB still has his stuttering pulpit, and this is a great issue with which to beat the other party with. <img src='http://novatownhall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>With $4 a gallon gas people want us to drill.  The Democrat party ignores this at their peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the 1/2 troll</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8277</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric the 1/2 troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He did not remove the executive ban till his more recent announcement. Which could be seen as he was not just posturing, but actually ‘doing’ something. Fair enough?&quot;

Possible but unlikely, Jacob, for the reason I outlined above.  The market knows that Congress needs to enact legislation and it also knows how unlikely that is.  As I said, a highly unlikely explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He did not remove the executive ban till his more recent announcement. Which could be seen as he was not just posturing, but actually ‘doing’ something. Fair enough?&#8221;</p>
<p>Possible but unlikely, Jacob, for the reason I outlined above.  The market knows that Congress needs to enact legislation and it also knows how unlikely that is.  As I said, a highly unlikely explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the 1/2 troll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric the 1/2 troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The strategic reserve has nothing to do, really, with the economy. It is there mostly for military needs.&quot;  

That would be the naval petroleum reserve and the inventory maintained by the Defense Fuel Supply.

I MIGHT accept that the SPR needs to be maintained so we can meet domestic needs when there is a true disruption of petroleum and not to respond to price changes since we really do not have a &quot;shotage&quot; or disruption in supply of crude - it is just expensive.  But it is undeniable that releasing crude from the SPR will drive down crude prices (and a lot faster than leasing land off the coast of Florida or Virginia) and US economic impact is the reason for the SPR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The strategic reserve has nothing to do, really, with the economy. It is there mostly for military needs.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That would be the naval petroleum reserve and the inventory maintained by the Defense Fuel Supply.</p>
<p>I MIGHT accept that the SPR needs to be maintained so we can meet domestic needs when there is a true disruption of petroleum and not to respond to price changes since we really do not have a &#8220;shotage&#8221; or disruption in supply of crude &#8211; it is just expensive.  But it is undeniable that releasing crude from the SPR will drive down crude prices (and a lot faster than leasing land off the coast of Florida or Virginia) and US economic impact is the reason for the SPR.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll,
He did not remove the executive ban till his more recent announcement.  Which could be seen as he was not just posturing, but actually &#039;doing&#039; something.  Fair enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll,<br />
He did not remove the executive ban till his more recent announcement.  Which could be seen as he was not just posturing, but actually &#8216;doing&#8217; something.  Fair enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the 1/2 troll</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8273</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric the 1/2 troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob #34 - I agree with you on all three points.

On #31 - If you are saying the $10 drop in oil prices are due to Bush&#039;s call to drill off shore, why didn&#039;t THAT happen in June when he first called for it?

WASHINGTON, DC, June 18, 2008 (ENS) - President George W. Bush today called on Congress to expand domestic oil production to lower record high oil and gas prices by lifting a ban on oil exploration in the Outer Continental Shelf that has been in place since 1981.

I really think the argument Dan and McCain are trying to make is so unlikely that it is surreal.  The markets sometime DO respond to rhetoric BUT not like this.  The rhetoric has to signal a real CHANGE coming in the market - this one is just more of the same as far as the market is concerned.  This sort of price change is due to an ACTUAL change in the supply/demand equation.  Much more likely the dollar gained, demand shrank, or production increases have been realized.  Also just as likely that speculators did not like the recent legislation being passed and have decided to take their money off the table.  But it is not about the Bush/McCain off-shore production rhetoric that much is clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob #34 &#8211; I agree with you on all three points.</p>
<p>On #31 &#8211; If you are saying the $10 drop in oil prices are due to Bush&#8217;s call to drill off shore, why didn&#8217;t THAT happen in June when he first called for it?</p>
<p>WASHINGTON, DC, June 18, 2008 (ENS) &#8211; President George W. Bush today called on Congress to expand domestic oil production to lower record high oil and gas prices by lifting a ban on oil exploration in the Outer Continental Shelf that has been in place since 1981.</p>
<p>I really think the argument Dan and McCain are trying to make is so unlikely that it is surreal.  The markets sometime DO respond to rhetoric BUT not like this.  The rhetoric has to signal a real CHANGE coming in the market &#8211; this one is just more of the same as far as the market is concerned.  This sort of price change is due to an ACTUAL change in the supply/demand equation.  Much more likely the dollar gained, demand shrank, or production increases have been realized.  Also just as likely that speculators did not like the recent legislation being passed and have decided to take their money off the table.  But it is not about the Bush/McCain off-shore production rhetoric that much is clear.</p>
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		<title>By: ACTivist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACTivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The strategic reserve has nothing to do, really, with the economy.  It is there mostly for military needs.  If the economy needs oil  a to survive at a moments notice then our military needs to be on alert.  We will get back to transportation and electricity when we start drilling our own oil but until then the military must be able to run.  THAT would be an emergency.  THAT is the major function of the reserves.  And don&#039;t be fooled by what is written.  Since when is something written the true meaning of what is intended?  Okay, the second amendment.  I knew that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strategic reserve has nothing to do, really, with the economy.  It is there mostly for military needs.  If the economy needs oil  a to survive at a moments notice then our military needs to be on alert.  We will get back to transportation and electricity when we start drilling our own oil but until then the military must be able to run.  THAT would be an emergency.  THAT is the major function of the reserves.  And don&#8217;t be fooled by what is written.  Since when is something written the true meaning of what is intended?  Okay, the second amendment.  I knew that.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the 1/2 troll</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8271</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric the 1/2 troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, Dan, you wrote:

&quot;What I AM saying, that to the consumers who have to pay this $4 a gallon, yes, this is more important than oil as a national security issue.&quot;

And what I am saying is that it appears that McCain shifted his position in response to $4 gas over national security and THAT does not make sense.  As I said, I do not believe McCain puts price at the pump over national security SO (at least in 4/07) he must not have felt that off-shore drilling would do anything to boost domestic production (and therefore improve the national security situation).  So why does he think NOW that off-shore drilling WILL make a difference?  My answer - he doesn&#039;t, he just thinks he can score political points against Obama by saying he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, Dan, you wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;What I AM saying, that to the consumers who have to pay this $4 a gallon, yes, this is more important than oil as a national security issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>And what I am saying is that it appears that McCain shifted his position in response to $4 gas over national security and THAT does not make sense.  As I said, I do not believe McCain puts price at the pump over national security SO (at least in 4/07) he must not have felt that off-shore drilling would do anything to boost domestic production (and therefore improve the national security situation).  So why does he think NOW that off-shore drilling WILL make a difference?  My answer &#8211; he doesn&#8217;t, he just thinks he can score political points against Obama by saying he does.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8269</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll,
calling it hogwash does not make it so.  read comment #31</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll,<br />
calling it hogwash does not make it so.  read comment #31</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/07/20/democrats-the-no-energy-party/comment-page-1/#comment-8268</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, Troll,
Both of you are missing some important points here: 
1. the more money we pay per barrel the greater the pool of money to siphon off and put into the pocket of Al Qaeda, the Whahabi madrases etc. 
2. The more we pay per barrel the greater our trade deficit, the poorer we get relative to the rest of the world, the less we are able to deal with
2.a economic problems
2.b military problems
3. The more we pay per barrel the more we are seen as slave to the product.  We are beginning to look like junkies, the really hideous part is the product we seek is right under our noses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, Troll,<br />
Both of you are missing some important points here:<br />
1. the more money we pay per barrel the greater the pool of money to siphon off and put into the pocket of Al Qaeda, the Whahabi madrases etc.<br />
2. The more we pay per barrel the greater our trade deficit, the poorer we get relative to the rest of the world, the less we are able to deal with<br />
2.a economic problems<br />
2.b military problems<br />
3. The more we pay per barrel the more we are seen as slave to the product.  We are beginning to look like junkies, the really hideous part is the product we seek is right under our noses</p>
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		<title>By: Eric the 1/2 troll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric the 1/2 troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:

&quot;Not sure if you have been paying attention, but the price of oil has dropped significantly in response to Bush’s executive order rescinding the ban on offshore drilling.&quot;

Not sure if you are paying attention but that is a bunch of hogwash as I just pointed out over the last ten posts.

&quot;All that Pelosi and Reid have to offer is drawing down the strategic reserve, thereby INCREASING oil as a national security issue.&quot;

I thought you just said that price at the pump  and national security are two separate issues that should not be merged?  Oh, and you may want to look into what the SPR is for - from the DOE website:

&quot;Established in the aftermath of the 1973-74 oil embargo, the SPR provides the President with a powerful response option should a disruption in commercial oil supplies threaten the U.S. economy.&quot;

Let&#039;s see commercial oil supplies are not meeting demand and it is threatening the US economy....hmmmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>&#8220;Not sure if you have been paying attention, but the price of oil has dropped significantly in response to Bush’s executive order rescinding the ban on offshore drilling.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure if you are paying attention but that is a bunch of hogwash as I just pointed out over the last ten posts.</p>
<p>&#8220;All that Pelosi and Reid have to offer is drawing down the strategic reserve, thereby INCREASING oil as a national security issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought you just said that price at the pump  and national security are two separate issues that should not be merged?  Oh, and you may want to look into what the SPR is for &#8211; from the DOE website:</p>
<p>&#8220;Established in the aftermath of the 1973-74 oil embargo, the SPR provides the President with a powerful response option should a disruption in commercial oil supplies threaten the U.S. economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see commercial oil supplies are not meeting demand and it is threatening the US economy&#8230;.hmmmmm&#8230;.</p>
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