17 Responses to “Obama In Cat Fight”

1. ACTivist
   August 26th, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

   Implosion! The clip doesn’t bode well for McCain’t where he is “generally” aligned with Hilly but we knew this election was another “hold-your-nose” election. I believe that Osama-bama is going to take racism to a whole new level which will bring us back to before the Civil War. Way to go, Bore-rock. You’re an idiot and I guess that makes me a racist now because I don’t like you.

2. dan
   August 26th, 2008 @ 6:41 pm

   ACT, I think the point made was that McCain and Clinton are more centrist. This is a valid point.

   As such, I will only need to pinch one nostril when I vote..

3. Right Wing Kamikaze
   August 26th, 2008 @ 8:55 pm

   Let’s look on the brightside, the Democrats will be fighting a civil war while they’re trying to take on McCain. Let’s just hope it gets really nasty in October.

4. jacob
   August 26th, 2008 @ 11:57 pm

   Right Wing,
   You pegged it. The left is eating its young. The culture of grievance has given rise to this fiasco. From everything going on at this convention and around it, I see the two sacred cows goring each other (no pun intended). Woman v. Black. Since there is no white guy to blame directly, I just wonder how far this is gonna go.

5. el jefe
   August 27th, 2008 @ 1:49 pm

   where did foxnews find this one? i like the comment “if you take a narrow view of the issues” then clinton is closer to obama, but a broader view…i think there is some insight developing there. the clinton campagin was way, way more negative and they did more to inflame racial tensions than the obama campaign.

   but these supporters of clinton are simply upset they lost something, fairly, that felt they deserved and really should have won. but don’t be too optimistic, by the time of the election and after some coverage of mccain’s jokes, his affair that is as if not more disturbing than edwards’, and his pro-life stance, i think these clinton supporters will do what they expected obama supporters to do…get behind the candidate that supports their positions, and the best candidate.

6. jacob
   August 27th, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

   el jefe,
   This is the result of year of indoctrination into the cult of victimization. I am a victim! Has become a badge of honor. Now, when a grievance group does not get its way, well you can see that ‘the Chickens … have come home … to ROOST!’

   As for “i like the comment “if you take a narrow view of the issues” then clinton …”
   Are you being sarcastic? I can’t tell.

7. el jefe
   August 27th, 2008 @ 3:37 pm

   that ‘culture of victimization’ stuff sounds like a limbaugh line of dismissing people that are discriminated against (while weirdly claiming that you are a victim). this is nothing more than being a sore loser, and i’m sure many supporters are still upset. they should have won this easily and they lost it so closely. but this is not unique to dems.

   and i just thought it was a funny thing she said. if you have a candidate that shares the views of the person you supported and your own views, why would you support another candidate that is different in issues that are most important to you?

8. jacob
   August 27th, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

   el jefe,
   limbaugh shmimbagh. Yes or no, according to the Democrats, are African Americans victims of discrimination? Yes or no, are women the victims of discrimination. Yes or no, are Hispanics the victims of discrimination? And on and on. If you answered ‘no’ to any of the groups listed above, please explain. Your eligibility to join the Democrats may be revoked.

   As for the uniqueness of this phenomena, granted, but I think the cry baby factor, considering your three yeses above, is more evident. There are PUMA’s all over the place in Denver. I am NO McCain fan, but I think I am part of a far smaller minority than what is up in the Democrat party.

9. el jefe
   August 27th, 2008 @ 6:30 pm

   jacob, the answer to each of those is a yes. as they say, some things are true, whether you believe them or not. you try to explain how any of those can be a no.

   the lack of unity now is due to a close primary with two strong candidates, unlike the republicans, which had a about a dozen weak ones that turned out to be a run away. again, i’m guessing that the assault on mccain will come and as his beliefs become more apparent, the hilary voters will come around.

10. jacob
    August 27th, 2008 @ 10:11 pm

    el jefe,
    women as a group today make up 60% of the students in colleges. This is discrimination?

    As for blacks and hispanics there is no more Jim Crow. Can we agree on that? Are there knucklheads out there who hate people because of there skin, sure. But the days when such attitudes were socially acceptable are long over. Can we agree on that?

    Are we living with the legacy of the bad old days? OK. We have had two generation since MLK did his thing. (I have a dream!) and now a black guy is going to become become president in Nov. How biased are we then as a nation? Not as much as the race baiters like Sharpton would want us to believe. Can we agree on that?

    As for the second paragraph, I think McCain will lose, but not for the reasons you cite. I think the previous conversation is more interesting.

11. el jefe
    August 28th, 2008 @ 1:29 pm

    i would say legally there is no more discrimination for the most part. and discrimination by gender and race (and sexual orientation, religion, etc.) are each different. but even you seem to be conceding that it exists, by race anyway. as for sharpton, i’ve never understood him. there are people really struggling and he seems to bring all this media attention to people that seem to either be wrong or crazy. of course, that could also be media bias for sensational stories. things have certainly gotten better in my opinion, but to say discrimiation or bias does not exist is a little silly. in fact, i would say that seems to be part of the problem. i think of it in two ways. a key one is this, the appearance of a person brings all kinds of preexisting, subconcious biases and one of the first things that people notice about another person is their race.

    and i wish i could share you optimism and be sure obama is going to win this election. i’m pretty concerned.

12. jacob
    August 28th, 2008 @ 3:26 pm

    el jefe,
    “but even you seem to be conceding that it exists, by race anyway.”
    Yes, but you need to look hard to find it.

    “i wish i could share you optimism and be sure obama is going to win this election. i’m pretty concerned.”
    For me, that is not optimism, its pessimism. I think Barak needs some seasoning in the Senate and a trip to the governors mansion. He needs to learn how things work outside the confines of the legislative and activist worlds. He has been campaigning all his adult life. He needs to spend some time building/making something. Smart? Yes. Naive? Yes. Understands economics or forign affairs? No.

13. el jefe
    August 28th, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

    you don’t need to look that hard, you just have to think for a moment.

    this ‘experience’ and ‘foreign policy’ argument is really nonsense. they said it about w, clinton, i imagine reagan (though i was too young, but i know the extremist view stuff came up), and i’m certain about carter. no matter your politics, you would say some were good, some were terrible. and i know all of these guys ran states, but really each of them is known for policy accomplishments and failures. successes usually came from charisma and inate leadership qualities, and a little of lucky timing. i’m convinced experience really doesn’t matter, obama’s an extremely intelligent guy who will surround himself with experienced advisors. it’s really a matter of supporting their policies, and i agree much more with obama than mccain. you clearly don’t.

    correct me if i’m wrong, but i think everyone on here would prefer some charasmatic state legislator from virginia that promised to strickly enforce immigration laws, opposed same sex marriage, and ensured everyone could carry a concealed automatic weapon for protection over mccain, even though he has tons of seasoning in foreign and domestic affairs.

14. jacob
    August 28th, 2008 @ 5:40 pm

    el jefe,

    ‘this ‘experience’ and ‘foreign policy’ argument is really nonsense. they said it about w, clinton, i imagine reagan (though i was too young, but i know the extremist view stuff came up), and i’m certain about carter.’
    Ok. With Clinton it really did not matter. We where done with the old cold war, and the new one with Jihadist Islam had yet to ramp up. I do not recall it making ANY impact during that campaign because while he was a neophyte, the stakes where low, so we thought.

    For Reagan it did not come up because Carter was an idiot.

    For Carter, it did not come up all that much because we where in a post Vietnam-60’s hangover. We were dealing with inflation, and there was a malaise after Nixon. Carter managed to rehabilitate Nixon’s image. I thought that would have been impossible, but with Carter there was always the audacity of dope. Its been a long time, so you may have forgotten, but Carter seriously pissed off HIS OWN PARTY.

    “no matter your politics, you would say some were good, some were terrible. ”
    Agreed.

    “i’m convinced experience really doesn’t matter,”
    Of course you do, you are an Obama supporter. Look, think. Bush sr. was mediocre on a good day. But he was a foreign policy wonk. That is why his coalition was far more splendiforous than his sons. He KNEW the people in the stae department, not only his appointees, but the career guys. He KNEW the people on the other end of the line. Experience in foreign policy historically has matter hugely. For you to say otherwise means you are grasping at straws.

    “obama’s an extremely intelligent guy who will surround himself with experienced advisors.”
    Obama is bright, but the Democrats available to give advise are the ones who served under Clinton, like Gorelick. LOL. Look, you need a Sam Nunn, and I don’t see him coming out of retirement.

    “correct me if i’m wrong …”
    You are not wrong in this regard. I think immigration and security are linked via the open border issue. I want immigration to be legal. I want to KNOW who is coming into this country. go read …
    http://novatownhall.com/2008/05/12/time-for-a-party-iii/

    and follow the links, you will see what I think of McCain.

    Welcome to the site el hefty.

15. el jefe
    August 28th, 2008 @ 8:05 pm

    two thoughts reading your post. first, by conceding my last point you are really saying that experience really doesn’t matter in your selection. i’m not saying foreign policy doesn’t matter, but this experience with it doesn’t matter. i can’t think of anyone that was in republican field more experienced than mccain, so why wouldn’t you pick him? it’s policies and leadership, not experience. and bush sr.’s coalition was stronger because iraq invaded a country, that makes it a little easier to get other countries on board. by the way, what is the big issue with mccain?

    second, i’m glad to see someone so slack in their writing and they may exceed me in grammatical errors.

    now, time for the show.

16. el jefe
    August 28th, 2008 @ 8:05 pm

    two thoughts reading your post. first, by conceding my last point you are really saying that experience really doesn’t matter in your selection. i’m not saying foreign policy doesn’t matter, but this experience with it doesn’t matter. i can’t think of anyone that was in republican field more experienced than mccain, so why wouldn’t you pick him? it’s policies and leadership, not experience. and bush sr.’s coalition was stronger because iraq invaded a country, that makes it a little easier to get other countries on board. by the way, what is the big issue with mccain?

    second, i’m glad to see someone so slack in their writing and they may exceed me in grammatical errors.

    now, time for the show.

17. jacob
    August 28th, 2008 @ 9:01 pm

    el jefe,
    you liked your post so much you said it twice?

    “by conceding my last point you are really saying that experience really doesn’t matter in your selection”
    I misread ’state legislator’ and saw Governor, I am tired. My bad. Conceded, due to my laxity in this. Point jefe.

    “what is the big issue with mccain?”
    If you mean why I am not a big fan?

    My grammar in the comments is bad. I usually read better too.

    enjoy your show, your candidate ought to be 12 points ahead by tomorrow.

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