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		<title>By: AliciaR</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10646</link>
		<dc:creator>AliciaR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time...
Let me preface this by saying that I am a 43 year old mother of two. My elder son was diagnosed with autism about 14 months ago. Thanks to the “No Child Left Behind Act” http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020108.html  and a whole bunch of my own personal advocacy on his behalf, he is currently in a good school with an individual education plan. (Republicans do have a social conscience despite what you read in the media or on CNN). I started my own business 8 years ago as an independent contractor while pregnant with my second child. And I can honestly say that because of the women who fought for access to an education and the right to vote long before me, I have wage parity with my male counterparts. In fact, I earn more than the majority of the men in my brokerage.
 
I find the veiled criticism of Governor Palin&#039;s home life by bringing the topic to the stage to be discriminatory. Such comments and questions about whether there is time for her to be a parent if she accepts office have never been asked of Senator Obama. It&#039;s the classic double standard and it is coming from the party who claims birth of the feminist movement. It is deeply disturbing.
 
Did I ever suffer from gender discrimination? Absolutely. After receiving my bachelor&#039;s degree in college, I had to go to work as a file clerk in an office near the division where I wished to work in order to break the ceiling (to be considered for another position) because the organization had a policy of hiring from within. Unlike some of the men that were hired in my work group fresh out of college, I wasn&#039;t given that opportunity until I had proven myself a dedicated and intelligent employee in the secretarial pool across the hall for several months. I chose to table my opinion about working beneath my education level, and did the smart thing to effect change from within. Ultimately, with the same resume plus months of experience in the department next door, I was granted the interview I had sought previously but wasn’t previously granted. With a strong interview and the character reference and testimonial about my work ethic from the clerical supervisor, I made the cut and was offered the position.
 
Even after I was hired to my new position, I found that some of the greatest resistance and sexism came from the older women in my office. They would gossip about my hair being too long, my skirts being too short, the fact that I was single in a small town, all superficial inappropriate things and nothing to do with my job performance.  I was a threat in a skirt. They never spoke about the males who were hired at the same time that I was in this same catty manner. I have lived through it. It wasn&#039;t fun. But I do believe that in many cases it is better now than in years past, but clearly it isn&#039;t over.
 
The early years in my career were in the public sector and my talents were ultimately recognized and rewarded with increases in my job classification to a level 3 supervising appraiser before transitioning into a private sector position. For 5 years, I remained a threat in a skirt to a certain segment of the older (lifer public employees) who held the high positions in my office. 
 
While looking for the blog “Women against Biden” and I found this site. I can’t believe that in such a sexist and spiteful maneuver Hillary Clinton was spurned and passed over Biden- the man cheated in college as his protege Ted Kennedy also did. How can one tout an ivy league education when one admittedly cheated to get his diploma? Interesting.
 
I found Chelsea Clinton’s words about her mother at the convention moving. This decision against one of the top female role models in the nation demonstrates the Obama camp’s poor decision making and sexist way his campaign shut her out. She was too threatening. Although Biden was vocally critical of Obama during the primaries, “The presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training.”He now apparently has changed his tune providing he is on the ticket to train Obama. They chose a less threatening running mate because Hillary Clinton knew too much for their topsy turvy ticket. Instead of a dream team, this is now the sleep team. 
 
As for Palin, I find her story inspirational and compelling. Obama has less executive experience and he is running for President. Governor Palin is the true feminist icon. Her political identity is her own. No man carved the path for her. She’s not married to the establishment literally or figuratively. Palin is the genuine article, a self-made natural leader. 
 
This is an electric and history making election, no matter what your political beliefs are. It&#039;s about time that there was a woman on the ticket for national office. 24 years since Geraldine Ferraro is too long to wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time&#8230;<br />
Let me preface this by saying that I am a 43 year old mother of two. My elder son was diagnosed with autism about 14 months ago. Thanks to the “No Child Left Behind Act” <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020108.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020108.html</a>  and a whole bunch of my own personal advocacy on his behalf, he is currently in a good school with an individual education plan. (Republicans do have a social conscience despite what you read in the media or on CNN). I started my own business 8 years ago as an independent contractor while pregnant with my second child. And I can honestly say that because of the women who fought for access to an education and the right to vote long before me, I have wage parity with my male counterparts. In fact, I earn more than the majority of the men in my brokerage.</p>
<p>I find the veiled criticism of Governor Palin&#8217;s home life by bringing the topic to the stage to be discriminatory. Such comments and questions about whether there is time for her to be a parent if she accepts office have never been asked of Senator Obama. It&#8217;s the classic double standard and it is coming from the party who claims birth of the feminist movement. It is deeply disturbing.</p>
<p>Did I ever suffer from gender discrimination? Absolutely. After receiving my bachelor&#8217;s degree in college, I had to go to work as a file clerk in an office near the division where I wished to work in order to break the ceiling (to be considered for another position) because the organization had a policy of hiring from within. Unlike some of the men that were hired in my work group fresh out of college, I wasn&#8217;t given that opportunity until I had proven myself a dedicated and intelligent employee in the secretarial pool across the hall for several months. I chose to table my opinion about working beneath my education level, and did the smart thing to effect change from within. Ultimately, with the same resume plus months of experience in the department next door, I was granted the interview I had sought previously but wasn’t previously granted. With a strong interview and the character reference and testimonial about my work ethic from the clerical supervisor, I made the cut and was offered the position.</p>
<p>Even after I was hired to my new position, I found that some of the greatest resistance and sexism came from the older women in my office. They would gossip about my hair being too long, my skirts being too short, the fact that I was single in a small town, all superficial inappropriate things and nothing to do with my job performance.  I was a threat in a skirt. They never spoke about the males who were hired at the same time that I was in this same catty manner. I have lived through it. It wasn&#8217;t fun. But I do believe that in many cases it is better now than in years past, but clearly it isn&#8217;t over.</p>
<p>The early years in my career were in the public sector and my talents were ultimately recognized and rewarded with increases in my job classification to a level 3 supervising appraiser before transitioning into a private sector position. For 5 years, I remained a threat in a skirt to a certain segment of the older (lifer public employees) who held the high positions in my office. </p>
<p>While looking for the blog “Women against Biden” and I found this site. I can’t believe that in such a sexist and spiteful maneuver Hillary Clinton was spurned and passed over Biden- the man cheated in college as his protege Ted Kennedy also did. How can one tout an ivy league education when one admittedly cheated to get his diploma? Interesting.</p>
<p>I found Chelsea Clinton’s words about her mother at the convention moving. This decision against one of the top female role models in the nation demonstrates the Obama camp’s poor decision making and sexist way his campaign shut her out. She was too threatening. Although Biden was vocally critical of Obama during the primaries, “The presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training.”He now apparently has changed his tune providing he is on the ticket to train Obama. They chose a less threatening running mate because Hillary Clinton knew too much for their topsy turvy ticket. Instead of a dream team, this is now the sleep team. </p>
<p>As for Palin, I find her story inspirational and compelling. Obama has less executive experience and he is running for President. Governor Palin is the true feminist icon. Her political identity is her own. No man carved the path for her. She’s not married to the establishment literally or figuratively. Palin is the genuine article, a self-made natural leader. </p>
<p>This is an electric and history making election, no matter what your political beliefs are. It&#8217;s about time that there was a woman on the ticket for national office. 24 years since Geraldine Ferraro is too long to wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Lovisa</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10203</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Reps worship Sarah - some Dems worship Barack.
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Me, I&#039;m like the Muslim, Mohammed Ali, THE GREATEST!

On your knees you non-believers.  Lovisa rocks!
Lovisa rules!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Reps worship Sarah &#8211; some Dems worship Barack.<br />
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<p>Me, I&#8217;m like the Muslim, Mohammed Ali, THE GREATEST!</p>
<p>On your knees you non-believers.  Lovisa rocks!<br />
Lovisa rules!</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
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		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Idol worshipping is taking over - each party has its own messiah.&quot;

Sorry, but I can&#039;t agree with this. If you believe this, then you have a very dim view of those around you. 

Maybe if you spent less time around Democrats, your outlook would improve ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Idol worshipping is taking over &#8211; each party has its own messiah.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but I can&#8217;t agree with this. If you believe this, then you have a very dim view of those around you. </p>
<p>Maybe if you spent less time around Democrats, your outlook would improve ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lovisa</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10201</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idol worshipping is taking over - each party has its own messiah. 

 Wonder who Lou forget-his-last-name will come up with when he has the Independents on his show?  A lesser messiah.  A satyr maybe.

Cathymac 

It&#039;s hard to admit that there might be others more perfect me (sorry, that should be &quot;I&quot; in perfect English). I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.  -   My only fault is my modesty!  

You know the old song:  &quot;Oh Lord, it&#039;s hard to be humble, when you&#039;re perfect in eveeerry waaay....&quot;

.....but I&#039;m doing the best that I can.

Nacissistic navel gazers.  Oh the visions in my inner eye...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idol worshipping is taking over &#8211; each party has its own messiah. </p>
<p> Wonder who Lou forget-his-last-name will come up with when he has the Independents on his show?  A lesser messiah.  A satyr maybe.</p>
<p>Cathymac </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to admit that there might be others more perfect me (sorry, that should be &#8220;I&#8221; in perfect English). I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.  &#8211;   My only fault is my modesty!  </p>
<p>You know the old song:  &#8220;Oh Lord, it&#8217;s hard to be humble, when you&#8217;re perfect in eveeerry waaay&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;..but I&#8217;m doing the best that I can.</p>
<p>Nacissistic navel gazers.  Oh the visions in my inner eye&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10199</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
The left is inherently a pack of narcissistic navel gazers.  Care to bet what really bothers the left is that Palin actually did change things where ever she governed, where as His One-ness only talks about it.  &#039;I am the one you have been waiting for!&#039;, is all to true.  I have been waiting for something like this.  It is the same expectation of someone in CA waiting for a earth quake of 9 on the Richter scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
The left is inherently a pack of narcissistic navel gazers.  Care to bet what really bothers the left is that Palin actually did change things where ever she governed, where as His One-ness only talks about it.  &#8216;I am the one you have been waiting for!&#8217;, is all to true.  I have been waiting for something like this.  It is the same expectation of someone in CA waiting for a earth quake of 9 on the Richter scale.</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10197</link>
		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovisa,

&quot;I don’t think Sarah Palin herself is looking to be canonized, but it seems that in some circles it has already happened. &quot;

I believe you are confusing her supporters with Obama&#039;s. Why is it that the left is so quick to accuse others of that which they are guilty of themselves ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovisa,</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t think Sarah Palin herself is looking to be canonized, but it seems that in some circles it has already happened. &#8221;</p>
<p>I believe you are confusing her supporters with Obama&#8217;s. Why is it that the left is so quick to accuse others of that which they are guilty of themselves ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lovisa</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10196</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jacob really dislikes me, doesn&#039;t he?

dans - 

I don&#039;t think Sarah Palin herself is looking to be canonized, but it seems that in some circles it has already happened.  She does not give the impression of being a &quot;here I am - lucky you!&quot; type, rather she comes through as true &quot;can do&quot; type.  I rather admire her for her for her ackomplishments.

That, however, doesn&#039;t mean I can&#039;t disagree with her. and I DO NOT want her to become vice president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jacob really dislikes me, doesn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>dans &#8211; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Sarah Palin herself is looking to be canonized, but it seems that in some circles it has already happened.  She does not give the impression of being a &#8220;here I am &#8211; lucky you!&#8221; type, rather she comes through as true &#8220;can do&#8221; type.  I rather admire her for her for her ackomplishments.</p>
<p>That, however, doesn&#8217;t mean I can&#8217;t disagree with her. and I DO NOT want her to become vice president.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathymac,
don&#039;t bother trying to explain the obvious.  It requires a level of honesty on the part of the recpient.  You won&#039;t find that in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathymac,<br />
don&#8217;t bother trying to explain the obvious.  It requires a level of honesty on the part of the recpient.  You won&#8217;t find that in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathymac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovisa, I agree voting for a woman just because she is a woman is stupid, but I don&#039;t think Gina is saying that. 

BTW, nobody is perfect, but some are more perfect than others - so get used to it:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovisa, I agree voting for a woman just because she is a woman is stupid, but I don&#8217;t think Gina is saying that. </p>
<p>BTW, nobody is perfect, but some are more perfect than others &#8211; so get used to it:)</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10192</link>
		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Governor Palin is looking to be canonized Lovisa, just elected. 

This is just one more thing that sets her apart from the Democratic ticket...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Governor Palin is looking to be canonized Lovisa, just elected. </p>
<p>This is just one more thing that sets her apart from the Democratic ticket&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lovisa</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10190</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina

Voting for a woman simply because she is a woman doesn&#039;t speak well for your integrity, and the same goes for blacks voting for Obama just because he is black.

A man can do as much for women as a woman can.  And for you to say 

&quot;...they can&#039;t see the big picture, set aside their conflicting grievances and MAKE A COUPLE OF CONCESSIONS.  in order to progress in such a big way.&quot; (big way?) shows you to be a person of rather flexible convictions.

We should trip over ourselves to elevate one of their (women) own to such a high position? -  Pretty soon somebody will demand sainthood for Sarah Palin, the PERFECT FEMALE.  Right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina</p>
<p>Voting for a woman simply because she is a woman doesn&#8217;t speak well for your integrity, and the same goes for blacks voting for Obama just because he is black.</p>
<p>A man can do as much for women as a woman can.  And for you to say </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;they can&#8217;t see the big picture, set aside their conflicting grievances and MAKE A COUPLE OF CONCESSIONS.  in order to progress in such a big way.&#8221; (big way?) shows you to be a person of rather flexible convictions.</p>
<p>We should trip over ourselves to elevate one of their (women) own to such a high position? &#8211;  Pretty soon somebody will demand sainthood for Sarah Palin, the PERFECT FEMALE.  Right!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathymac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure Gov Palin wears the scorn of NOW as a badge of courage.</description>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/03/feminists-against-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-10184</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why the feminists disagree with some of Sarah Palin&#039;s views, like abortion, and I understand their disappointment at loosing Hillary as the first female President, or Vice President. But, now they have a real chance to elect the first ever female Vice President. A woman who exemplifies so many amazing qualities, including her successes and 85% approval rating as Alaska&#039;s governor, mother of five, and the whole nine yards. In addition to breaking the glass ceiling, Palin can finally bring about tremendous reforms for women.
As International abuses keep coming to light regarding women&#039;s rights, including everything from burkas, to white slavery, to honor killings, you would certainly think that women would be tripping over themselves to elevate one of their own to such a high position. What a shame the feminists are so petty that they can&#039;t see the big picture, set aside their conflicting grievances, and make a couple of concessions, in order to progress in such a big way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why the feminists disagree with some of Sarah Palin&#8217;s views, like abortion, and I understand their disappointment at loosing Hillary as the first female President, or Vice President. But, now they have a real chance to elect the first ever female Vice President. A woman who exemplifies so many amazing qualities, including her successes and 85% approval rating as Alaska&#8217;s governor, mother of five, and the whole nine yards. In addition to breaking the glass ceiling, Palin can finally bring about tremendous reforms for women.<br />
As International abuses keep coming to light regarding women&#8217;s rights, including everything from burkas, to white slavery, to honor killings, you would certainly think that women would be tripping over themselves to elevate one of their own to such a high position. What a shame the feminists are so petty that they can&#8217;t see the big picture, set aside their conflicting grievances, and make a couple of concessions, in order to progress in such a big way.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>el jefe,
Are you claiming that Obama wasn&#039;t playing the race card when he said he didn&#039;t look like the presidents pictured on money? As Robert Shapiro once said, that&#039;d playing the race card &quot;from the bottom of the deck&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>el jefe,<br />
Are you claiming that Obama wasn&#8217;t playing the race card when he said he didn&#8217;t look like the presidents pictured on money? As Robert Shapiro once said, that&#8217;d playing the race card &#8220;from the bottom of the deck&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...a party that has voted against the Violence Against Women Bill.&quot;

Huh?
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The House passed VAWA with an overwhelming 415-4 vote for approval on September 8, followed by unanimous Senate approval on October 4. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a party that has voted against the Violence Against Women Bill.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
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The House passed VAWA with an overwhelming 415-4 vote for approval on September 8, followed by unanimous Senate approval on October 4.
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