Obama v. Palin II
September 4th, 2008 by jacob
As Governor Palin had to deal with the following …
- a 11 Billion Dollar budget
- 15,000 state employees
- a large energy industry economy
- tax policy
- education, transportation and environmental issues
- taking on her own party’s good ol’ boy network
Why are her two years of wrangling this frontier state held in derision but the 150 days Barak was in the Senate, make him experienced enough to be president?
As a mayor of her home town she also had to deal with a budget, the town council, the sheriff, the schools, roads etc. Is this less complicated than being a community activist? Is this experience to be dismissed when ‘community activist’ is held up for admiration?
As someone who ran a small business Palin had to deal with all the hassles of handling a business, both real and those the government levees on the small business. In this she has experienced the frustration many Americans have felt due to our governments intrusiveness. Palin having felt the impact of excessive taxation and regulation, delivered tax relief to her state.
Obama was a community activist. What is a community activist?
Definition: Community organizers and activists work on the local level to create positive social change. They help communities come together to solve problems.
examples of community activists are Cesar Chaves and Al Sharpton. Another definition comes from wiki:
Community organizing is a process by which people are brought together to act in common self-interest. While organizing describes any activity involving people interacting with one another in a formal manner, much community organizing is in the pursuit of a common agenda. Many groups seek populist goals and the ideal of participatory democracy. Community organizers create social movements by building a base of concerned people, mobilizing these community members to act, and developing leadership from and relationships among the people involved.
All things considered it sounds a lot like political campaigning, something Obama has been doing for close to 20 months now, since being elected to the Senate.
At the University of Chicago Obama was a professor of law. This involves teaching law, and writing about law. There is no executive experience in this work, regardless of the difficulty or challenge. This is something that would help someone to become a legislator maybe, or certainly a judge.
Obama could be president, but he is not more qualified for the position than Governor Palin.
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September 4th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Governor Palin appears to be just what we need. She’s young, charismatic, and has the pop culture appeal to get people interested in her, and thus in McCain and the Republican campaign.
In short, she seems to be a great compromise between the appeal of both candidates. She has experience like McCain (though not as much, of course). She also has the potential to be a political celebrity like Obama, she can attract a younger vote, she can swing independents with witty speeches.
I also think it’s great that McCain picked a woman. She’s an every woman, unlike Hillary, and women vote in higher numbers than men.
September 4th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
It wasn’t two years, it was 20 months, and during 9 of those months she was pregnant.
September 4th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
And as we all know, when a woman is pregnant she is lost to the world and utterly useless.
Can we invite your wife over here to continue the discussion, BlackOut? I would most enjoy that.
September 4th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
i think this experience arguement is silly, the background of both obama and palin show they can lead, face adversity and that they understand people. it’s about, as it has been from the beginning, policies.
by the way, anyone else notice the heart song playing in the background tonight? she’s didn’t give the speech tonight and she’s the running mate, doesn’t that seem a little strange.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Only 20 months ? How many months were Obama and Biden governors, or mayor, or any other executive management position ?
Let’s see, even if we take away her 9 month pregnancy, 11 months is still more than 150 days..
September 5th, 2008 at 6:33 am
What has O’Bama ever lead? A protest march?
September 5th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
I don’t understand why being a community organizer has become a blotch on one’s record. With examples like Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King etal, and for me, the people in my home owners ass’n who organized our neighborhood watch.
If you’re a community organizer for a good cause, that’s admirable IMO. And I believe Obama gave up a wellpaying job with a lawfirm, which he could easily have gotten considering his excellent record at Harvard Law School, in order to improve the lives of those less able to make a decent living.
Is that shameful in any way?
It seems to me that being a mayor of a town or city is very much being a community organizer!
September 5th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
And what does his own website say about his “community organizing”?
(I understand 100,000 of them were alive, too.)
Compare conducting a voter-registration drive with commanding the Navy’s largest fighter squadron.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
“And I believe Obama gave up a wellpaying job with a lawfirm”
That’s not actually looking bad when he loses…unless, like Bill Clinton, they DISBAR him for actions in REZKOGATE!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Jack
If you read what I wrote you’ll see that I’m not comparing the two in this respect.
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My question was and is: “Why is it demeaning to be a community organizer”?
They are important in our society, aren’t they?
Of course McCain was a GREAT FIGHTER SQUADRON COMMANDER but he could probably also be a great community organizer.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
“McCain was a GREAT FIGHTER SQUADRON COMMANDER but he could probably also be a great community organizer.”
THAT’S MY NEWEST BUMPER STICKER RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
You’re welcome!
September 5th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
just heard a good point. Jesus was a community organizer, pontius pilate was a governor.
September 5th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
So, helping 150,000 Blacks register to vote (How is that organizing a community, anyway?) is similar to Jesus’ ministry?
Oh, and Pontius Pilate was appointed, not elected.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Lovisa,
‘“Why is it demeaning to be a community organizer”?’
There is NOTHING wrong with being a community organizer. The issue was the dismissive attitude toward Palin because the was ‘just a Mayor.’ At which point I would ask “Why is it demeaning to be a Mayor” The left started this crap Lovisa, not Palin.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Yep, jacob, it’s always the other guy. Gives you such a good, warm feeling inside.
Good night!
September 5th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Jack, I was scratching my head over that one also..
September 5th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
el jefe,
I guess you could call a minister a ‘community organizer’. But it is a bit of a stretch.
Frankly there is nothing wrong with being a community organizer, but it is no more a job than being a mayor. Getting people registered to vote is honorable. But so is running a town, and I would argue that running a town is probably more unpredictable than running registration drives. Both are occupation worthy of respect.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Ouch, ouch, ouch!
Take that, and that, and that you imbecile (me, of course)
How about cup of chamomille tea to lower your blood pressure. It’s a relaxant and sedative, so it is often
taken against insomnia and anxiety.
It also calms the digestive tract and eases the spasms of irritable bowel symptoms.
Now I’m REALLY going to bed.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:40 am
jacob,
Depends upon what and who exactly the “community organizer” is organizing. Take for example events in Herndon, with the “community organizers” involved with setting up the day labor site. These “community organizers” actually did a very costly disservice to their community.
Some “community organizers” , like some change, is good, but there is always a flip side.
“eases the spasms of irritable bowel symptoms”
I’ll have to try some of that tea the next time I watch BO giving a speech..
September 6th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Well, well, what do you know? jacob’s very nasty retort to me isn’t here any more. ??????
September 6th, 2008 at 7:54 am
“el jefe said:
September 5th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
just heard a good point. Jesus was a community organizer, pontius pilate was a governor.”
I love this as it is so telling of the Obama campaign, so now Obama is just like Jesus? The Lord Barack Obama, huh? I thought so.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:18 am
I know, Lovisa, I was wondering what you were going on about!
As for you, Cmac, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blurt that out. The truth is, you, and all the other Palin/McCain enthusiasts, continue to show yourselves to be some of the MOST HYPOCRITICAL this election season. LipFlap/ACTor being one of the worst offenders. Keep it up, I say. In the mean time, may the candidate who sticks to the issues win!
September 6th, 2008 at 8:35 am
“may the candidate who sticks to the issues win!”
I think that would leave us with LaRouche as president.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Kevin,
did you see my reply to your second question regarding Palin’s daughter?
September 6th, 2008 at 8:40 am
You know what, Jacob, I did. I spent a long time mulling it over, actually, and it caused me to reflect on my upbringing, my parents, my failed marriage, my parent’s successful marriage, etc. I appreciate your thoughtful reply, I just didn’t have an equally thoughtful response.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Kevin,
that’s fine, its just that with all the traffic the last few days, I just wanted to make sure you knew you had been replied to.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Thanks, I think there’s one of dans out there floating around too. I’ll have to find it!
September 6th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Linda B,
Ouch! OK, lets rephrase “the sane candidate who sticks to the sane issues”
September 6th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Kevin, I fell into your “trap,” how amusing. We McCain/Palin supporters are all so predictable aren’t we?
September 6th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Cmack, I wasn’t intending anything to be a “trap” at all. Heck, I wasn’t even the one who made the “Jesus was a. . .” statement. If you’re bristled by it (”all so predictable aren’t we?”) I’m sorry. The “Lord Barack Obama” statement of yours seemed intentionally attacking. I was just pointing out that the Repubs whine like they’re having their backs slowly broken but all they’ve shown is hypocrisy. You don’t see anyone comparing Palin to Joan of Arc. I think if you supported Obama from the beginning, the “Wow” factor has worn off. You guys are just in the beginning stages of your “Glory” phase. As usual, one step behind and playing ketchup.
When a candidate grows his base at the beginning of the campaign and then sits down to talk about the issues once the debate starts, only find that his opponent is suddenly giving himself an “image” makeover (and I think we all understand he needed one), you sort of scratch your head and wonder what’s going on and how you all got so lost? When your candidates, and party, move past their glory/image phase, I’m sure they’ll talk about the issues. I just hope it’s not too late!
September 6th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Here’s a lighthearted example (hopefully it comes through):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/daily-show-takes-on-the-s_n_123908.html
September 6th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Lovisa,
You once stated that you did not know who William Ayres was. Here is an excellent article explaining who he is.
Obama, Ayers, Dohrn and double jeopardy
By, Ellis Washington, wnd.com
Posted: September 06, 2008
1:00 am Eastern©
William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama’s Willie Horton.
~ Larry C. Johnson, former counterterrorism expert
I don’t regret setting bombs. … I feel we didn’t do enough.
~ William Ayers, N.Y. Times interview, Sept. 11, 2001
I don’t know about you, dear reader, but it vexes me to no end every time I see or read anything about Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn, co-founders of the radical ’60s anarchist group the Weather Underground.
Ayers and Dohrn are people who are very close friends to Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama, who over the years sat on various boards with Bill Ayers and to whose home Obama was compelled to make a pilgrimage at the beginning of his political career to secure their blessings and exploit their essential financial and political connections in Chicago.
To read more:http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74486
September 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Thanks for the link Kevin. Oftentimes it is entertaining to listen to or read the drivel of close minded folks on the left.
Loved this one :
“One strange Sarah Palin falsehood, which she acclaimed as truth yesterday and the campaign reaffirmed tonight in video was that she successfully auctioned a private jet she deemed unnecessary for the State of Alaska to maintain on eBay.”
It has been confirmed that the plane was put on eBay as she claimed. Again we see the left living in their own little fairy tale land, fabricating stories that their followers drink right up. I am reminded of the scene in the movie The Mummy when all of Imhotep’s followers filled the streets, glassy eyed, chanting his name in unison.
Wonder when we will see this “Obaaamaaa…Obaaamaaa..”
September 6th, 2008 at 11:55 am
I found this interesting link on Virginia Virtucon:
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/
September 6th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
dans,
hmmmm. Maybe you can help me find in that link where you got that quote?
Regardless, I’m not sure a Palin/McCain criticism amounts to a zombie Obama endorsement. Or an endorsement of Obama at all, does it? Whatev.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
HA! dans,
As if it made a lick of difference and as if it was actually an issue. . .I found the story you affixed to me or my comment (as though I was the one making the point) and you still can’t tell the story straight. Why anyone would care whether the plane actually sold on eBay I haven’t the slightest idea. However, it was not successfully sold on eBay (as if that matters at all. . .about anything).
Please don’t attribute things that have nothing to do with a link I actually DID post, to me. If I wanted to post a link about the story you you clicked through to, I would have. But even I can’t find the relevance in that story.
Is Huffington Post a particularly liberal “news” source? I don’t even know it’s reputation. Anyhow, I thought the video to which I did link was exactly as I said, lighthearted and a good example of the hypocrisy of the Repubs these days.
September 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
i thought the comment was funny, i was surprised it took so long for someone to see it as comparing obama to Jesus. but community organization does look a bit like ministry and early Christianity. not such a silly profession.
dans, are you seriously debating whether or not she sold a plane on ebay? if you watch that “drivel” you’ll see what has been the best part of this election. like kev pointed out, the hypocracy of some plain-mccain supporters is so absurd and obvious that it is funny.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
el,
“are you seriously debating ”
Kevin,
“Why anyone would care whether the plane actually sold on eBay”
I am curious about this as well, but the liberals are sure getting this wrapped around their axles. I have heard or seen this story at least a dozen times in the last two days.. Me, I don’t give a rat’s derriere. If you have a problem with the jet story, go take it out on your peers.
Kevin, this link was right there on the link that you posted. You posted it, not me..
September 6th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
dans,
“Kevin, this link was right there on the link that you posted. You posted it, not me.”
let’s not outright lie now. It’s unbecoming of you and just bolsters the arguments that repubs attempt to distort the facts. You don’t like it when Dems do it; in fact, it’s what your basic argument is about. How, in one breath, you are willing to lambast a [nitpicky] group of individuals for splitting hairs and then indict yourself in the same crime, I am truly unaware. It’s your tangled mess to get out of, now, not mine.
Just keep clicking through on that site! I’m sure you’ll come across another story 5 or 6 clicks in that you’d also like to insinuate my support for. This is gonna get fun!
September 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Wow, you are unable to find a link, (hint, look for the string of blue letters), and I am lieing ?
I would have thought that as a member of the Charm City Four Sigma Society you would be able to sort this out without adult intervention.
Let me say it again :
“Me, I don’t give a rat’s derriere. If you have a problem with the jet story, go take it out on your peers.”
September 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Geez Kevin, lighten up. Congrats on being an initial follower of Obama, you get a mug and hat.
I hate to burst your bubble but I’ll be the first to admit, and many would agree, the flurry surrounding Palin’s nomination and speech will die down, now is the hard part. Our party is united and so is yours (I guess, you all seem cozy) so game on.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Yeah, Kevin, kudos on nominating the least experienced candidate in the entire field — in fact, the least experienced candidate since, uh, well… Has there been a less experienced candidate for President?
September 6th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Meh, the tickets are pretty much even, at this point. After the last 8 years, I’m not sure why anyone would ever vote for 4 more just like’m.
double thumbs up!
September 6th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
I’d tell all you know-nothings that a stark HALF of the big-ticket items listed on e-bay don’t end up selling on Ebay. They often go to the end of an auction without a bid, and thewn are sold to someone who saw them on Ebay. This is a normal ocurrence and happens hundreds of times every day.
September 6th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
The tickets are even in what regard, Kevin?
Experience? That’s laughable. First of all, O’Bama is at the top of the Leftist ticket. Even if he were running for VP, then Palin still has him beat hands down.
If Biden (who got a whopping 1% of the Iowa caucus votes) were at the top, how does he compare to McCain? While McCain was serving in the Hanoi Hilton, Biden managed to avoid serving. How bipartisan is Biden, the third most leftist Senator we have? Meanwhile, McCain has a rather lengthy, if somewhat irritating, record of working with the leftists in Congress to get things done.
But Biden is not at the top of the ticket. The empty suit, Mr. Present, is. Tell me, Kevin, how are these tickets in any way even?
September 6th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Jack, he’s in 90% agreement with the last 8 years. THAT isn’t the change we neeeeed.
(the more rhetoric you use, the more I’ll spit up)
Come to think of it, the tickets are NOT even. Only in your party does it matter who is at the top of the ticket. The fact is, the person at the top of your ticket is not right AND the person at the bottom of your ticket is not right. You guys shot yourself in the foot with that move; a move to shore up the base? Nobody (world included) but your group likes your base!
Obama can always consult his VP and advisers when he needs to. Heck, he has already shown his mad skills at dealing with other top leaders. What’s that? He doesn’t bully into every country telling them “my way or the highway”? Sounds like the perfect example of why people want him for pres. Look at how the Bush way of dealing with the world has gone so far. Even Bush regrets it! Dude is the lamest duck there ever was in the history of lame ducks. The most he can do these days is go to the Olympics and BEG Russia not to cause trouble.
AND your old man wants to continue the tradition! He is liable to send us into WWIII with as reckless as he is, exhaust our military by trying to take on the world at once with only 1/2 the forces and 1/3 of the spending on equipment (why they sent our troops to Iraq without any armor, let alone send them to Iraq at all is beyond me). McCain doesn’t support the vets. Jokingly singing “Bomb bomb Iran” and vowing to chase Bin Laden to the “Gates of Hell” does not a president make. AND once your old man kicks the bucket, Palin would be left wondering “Where in the WORLD am I? I’ve barely even left Alaska, let alone had to think about foreign policy!”
Obama/Biden have their faults, for sure. But no more than the Palin/McCain ticket. If anything they are actually doing it better. Your ticket and your party are really just a bunch of clowns, currently. You’re lost. You don’t know what you stand for or what you’re doing. You put someone who doesn’t even fit the platform at the top of the ticket. And then tried to make up for it by putting Palin in. Your party membership is shrinking, rapidly. Then, the first bit of panic that you’re losing you get and you copy the other party in a move to react. You guys are constantly one step behind. You understand the Obama campaign is actually onto something and so you want to copy it. (ROFL)
September 6th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
more on palin…
http://www.slate.com/id/2199362/:
What was her position on the surge?
“I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe.”
“I haven’t focused that much on the war.” Now that’s leadership!
September 6th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
See what I mean? Talk about a “community organizer”:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_on_el_pr/voter_registration;_ylt=AkGCH3HUK8.rNtiDcIfrCfVh24cA
September 6th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Indeed:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/johnmccain/ig/John-McCain-Pictures/Brokeback-McCain-and-Bush.htm
September 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Much better..
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobama/ig/Barack-Obama-Pictures/Brokeback-Obama.htm
Thanks for the link..
September 6th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
LOL, that is hilarious!
September 6th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Kevin, kevin, kev … in,
“he’s in 90% agreement with the last 8 years. THAT isn’t the change we neeeeed”
Boy. You KNOW better than that. ~90% of the votes in the senate are unanimous. These are votes that pertain to tuesday being nationaol aardvaark day. Or, we congradulate the NY Giants for winning the super bowl. Duh! Obama votes WITH bush about %89 of the time. Does that mean a vote for Obama=89%Bush?
September 6th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Jacob, jacob jaaaaaacob, you know I’m no good at math, that’s why I said I was touting rhetoric. Please explain yourself in more understandable (for us idiots) terms. I know nothing of tuesday being aardvark day. Help!
September 7th, 2008 at 9:04 am
el jefe: I heard that Palin overslept once, the horror, the horror…….
September 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Cmac, yeah, and think they are also pissed cause she wears skirts and not pant suits..
September 7th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
she probably did…quite a bit. it took her several colleges and about 6 years to get her degree. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-cvn-palin-education,0,1503213.story
September 7th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Hopefully you can explain whatever it is you mean by that, dans? Why would that make anyone angry? You’re really in the ether lately!
September 7th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I have just posted a glance of Obama’s “community organization” over at
http://thebulletproofmonk.blogspot.com/2008/09/obamas-actual-community-organization.html
And we go further into the ACORN violations. There is a breakdown of those violations and the outcome of each by Year/State somewhere on the net, but I haven’t found it yet.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Oh, dear, dear -
The vicious vixen is at it again!
September 8th, 2008 at 3:09 am
Gee whiz and golleee! Sarah did some college hopping and took all of six years to get her degree! Oh, whoa is us! Shame, shame, shame on her! But, then, she DID get elected the governor of a state and IS a national candidate for vice-president! Perhaps more of us should have gone the college hopping route?!!!
September 8th, 2008 at 3:11 am
That last should read “woe is us” I was composing while on horseback, darn it!
September 8th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Getting a little animalistic here, huh?
September 8th, 2008 at 8:27 am
kevin,
~90% of the senate votes are unanimous. that means obama also agreed with bush ~90% og the time. The charge that mccain is a bush clone based on that 90% voting agreement number is bogus because obama also voted with bush 90% of the time as did the rest of the senate.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Actually, I was under the impression that, until quite recently, Bush was unaware he could actually veto bills. So anything he signed and McCain voted for is, by the libs’ definition, a bill on which they agreed.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:27 am
“Hopefully you can explain whatever it is you mean by that, ”
Sorry Kevin, but I am not qualified to teach Gestalt 101.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
That’s just as I suspected.