263 Responses to “Sarah Palin Interview With ABC News: Schedule”

1. Below The Beltway » Blog Archive » Palin/Gibson Interview Schedule
   September 11th, 2008 @ 5:07 pm

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2. ACTivist
   September 11th, 2008 @ 5:50 pm

   Charlie is an idiot. He keeps trying to corral Gov. Palin to yes or no answers and it drives him crazy when he isn’t able to pin her down. Do you think that turn-around is fair play?

3. jacob
   September 11th, 2008 @ 6:39 pm

   ACT,
   He is not an idiot, its worse than that. Chucky-poo would NEVER ask Obama or Clinton such a question. “Are you qualified?”, and when she answers yes, he asks, “is that not hubris?” Nope, ‘idiot’ does not cover it ACT, not by a long shot.

   Charlie is a no account, worthless mouth-breathing bucket carrier for the Obama campaign. What a LOSER!!

4. Joe Budzinski
   September 11th, 2008 @ 7:28 pm

   Charles came off a little goofy with some of his repeat questions after she had given an answer, and she could have been stronger by simply saying “yes” to the question about across-the-border incursion into Pakistan, in my view. She’ll see the video and sit up straighter next time. Overall, she did good for the first time out.

5. dans
   September 11th, 2008 @ 7:56 pm

   Yes, I think so too. You could see her confidence building as the interview progressed.

6. davi lowman
   September 11th, 2008 @ 9:21 pm

   sorry – but sarah palin is the required “token female” that the republicans hope will save them. unfortunately, she’s not impressive enough, nor experienced enough, nor intelligent enough to impress the millions of americans that are sick of republican crap.

7. Roger
   September 11th, 2008 @ 10:25 pm

   First time out? Wait wait wait. This apparently is suppose to be a woman with ALL THIS EXPERIENCE more than Obama more than McCain and you mean to tell me she can’t even do an interview without being nervous? If your saying that she failed because this was her “first time out” than your admitting to the fact that she is indeed UNTESTED. Charlie did an excellent job. He didn’t get a straight answer so he asked her again. She couldn’t even give a direct response to The Bush Doctrine. Only after Charlie read it to her in Wikipedia fashion could she even muster the intelligence to even response coherently. She even contradicted McCain’s own words!!!! McCain stance on Russia does not involve conflict, shes talking about going in there and defending Georgia at all cost. And Israel can do whatever they have to do to protect themselves?!!! No really this is just getting scary.

   I truly hope a lot of undecided voters saw this today.

8. Linda B
   September 11th, 2008 @ 10:25 pm

   Hey, davi, tell your finger to check its GPS, ’cause its nowhere near the pulse.

9. Linda B
   September 11th, 2008 @ 10:28 pm

   Roger, Have you seen any of Obama’s interviews with O’Reilly?

10. me.com
    September 11th, 2008 @ 10:45 pm

    Electing Palin/McCain would be like sending the Beverly Hillbillies to the White House.

11. Jack
    September 11th, 2008 @ 10:54 pm

    Actually, the VP lives at the Naval Observatory, not the White House.

12. me.com
    September 11th, 2008 @ 10:54 pm

    You know, my sister’s a hockey mom with three kids and she does a pretty good job with the family budget (economy). How about if we call her and she if she’d like to be Secretary of State? (She has worked as a secretary).

13. dans
    September 11th, 2008 @ 11:11 pm

    ” impress the millions of americans”

    Davi seems to set the bar pretty low for Americans if they expect them to be impressed by the likes of Obama/Biden.
    Can someone, anyone name just ONE Obama accomplishment ? Note, autobiographies do not count. Just ONE ?

    I find the “token female” comment very belittling. Imagine the outcry if someone referred to Obama as a “token”.

14. dans
    September 11th, 2008 @ 11:22 pm

    Wow, the sounds of liberal Democrats crapping their pants ! To quote Alvin Lee “lovely, lovely, lovely”.

    Are these comments above all you guys got as far as an argument ? It is, isn’t it ?

    More breaking news, Biden is not the only plagiarist on the Democratic ticket…

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74881

15. Joe Budzinski
    September 11th, 2008 @ 11:26 pm

    If your sister is a governor and former mayor, send her in, I would consider her for the job

16. sherry Denecker
    September 12th, 2008 @ 12:01 am

    I have been a democrat all my life but will be voting McCain/Palin this time around. I love McCains experience and strength and thought Palin did an excellent job on both her interview and relating to the average person. Do I think she can be President? Absolutely. But I am banking on the fact that McCain will in fact win this election and go on to serve more than one term. As for Palin being the “token female” as one prior response stated, that may be but then that seems to be the theme of this election. By the way, I too would like to hear the above respondents give examples of Obamas acomplishments instead of just badmouthing with no substance. But I guess that might be all you have to work with. McCain and Palin Rock!

17. Joe Budzinski
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:42 am

    Palin looked really good in the 11:30 version of the interview: Thanks to ABC for the much cleaner editing.

18. michael keller
    September 12th, 2008 @ 8:33 am

    Really? I can’t even believe there are people still taking this seriously. The thought of this woman being president is simply comical.

19. athena
    September 12th, 2008 @ 8:46 am

    This is Quayle–in drag–all over again!!!!!!!!!. OMG!!! What in the world?!!!!!!! I thought that was a nightmare from the past that I would not have to tell my grandchildren about, but now we have the female version of Dan Quayle????? I feel like crying endlessly, for the fate of this country…!

20. sherry Denecker
    September 12th, 2008 @ 8:52 am

    Well, I am a democrat who is unconvinced of Obamas experience. And since Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT and not president lets just compare apples to apples and not apples to oranges. John mcCain will be president and I am certain will be able to serve his term plus probably a second. Can anyone give me examples of Obamas experience to McCains or even Palins for that matter. Can’t wait for the debates. McCain will be in his element as a natural honest speaker to the people. Obama has great speeches but little substance to back it up. He would make a fabulous preacher but as for experience to lead the country he is sadly lacking. Instead of badmouth comments why don’t you democrats (Of which I once was) try giving a convincing argument as to why they think Obama should win. As far as I can see (and I have watched the issues closely) three out of four of the nominees have experience. McCain, Palin and Biden. Unfortuately Obama is not in that group. While community service is a wonderful, admirable field to work in, it doesn’t make the guy who organizes the Empty Bowls food program in our community fit to lead the country. I too am a community organizer but you certainly shouldn’t go and cast a vote for me on election day. Again, please elaborate on Obamas experience, perhaps I am missing something….. though I doubt it. This is a job interview and not a civil rights movement. The experienced candidates will win.

21. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:07 am

    Dan Quayle was a mayor ? Which city ? Dan Quayle was a governor ? From which state athena ?

    Ironic that Obama’s bio pales in comparison to Quayle’s..

    Anybody, just ONE Obama accomplishment ?

22. BariUmbama
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:18 am

    Just so you know, last night I parsed, um, WATCHED the governor’s interview on ABC. Um, when the question was asked about the former soviet state of Georgia, I was very concerned about the answer to the question of upholding our obligations under the NATO treaty. When asked if war with Russia was an option, Governor Palin responded “perhaps”, which is something we all should be concerned about.

    Let me start by saying, and I want to be perfectly clear on this, my answer to this same question is “maybe”. Um, there is a significant difference between me and my opponent on this issue and the American people need to be aware of this.

    Why just last night, Michele and I were talking about Georgia. I happened to mention the president by name, and she responded by saying “George AHH ! George AHH!”. So yes, I am very informed of recent events in Georgia.

23. Cathymac
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:27 am

    Dans, Obama has been campaigning for 18 months, can recite all the world leaders, spit out every sound bite of the left and inspires millions worldwide. Isn’t this all we need in a President?

    Athena, keep on crying. I’d cry too if I were you.

24. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:34 am

    Cmac, yes, the only qualification BO has that Quayle does not, is his skin color.

25. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:52 am

    Seems the Obama Fan Club has found our little nook..

    http://www.youtube.com/v/GjBJxZEjb1o

26. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:54 am

    Indeed,dans. Let’s look at Dan Quayle’s experience before he became VP:

    Dan Quayle’s political career began when he was elected to the United States Congress in 1976 at age 29. He was elected to the United States Senate at age 33. On January 20, 1989 he took the oath of office as the 44th Vice President of the United States at age 41.

    So, before he was elected VP, he had been in the House of Representatives for 4 years, and had been in the Senate for 8 years.

    O’Bama doesn’t hold a candle to Quayle.

    VOTE CONTENT OF CHARACTER, NOT COLOR OF SKIN

27. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:07 am

    All those “credentials” made Quayle qualified??? How about a silver spoon in his mouth? Don’t you know that’s what got him through high school? But when push comes to shove, it’s about what really is in the person, thinking ability, brilliance, wisdom– that would gain the trust of the people. Now to refresh the mind of a few unprivileged to have beheld the marvel that was the past VP, here are some brilliant “Quayle Quotes”…part of history now, which NO ONE can erase. I can see many like these coming from “Palin Paltz”, I mean “Palin Waltz”:

    “Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific. It is IN the Pacific. It is a part of the United States that is an island that is right here.” (Hawaii, September 1989)

    “What a terrible thing to have lost one’s mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is.”
    Vice President Dan Quayle winning friends while speaking to the United Negro College Fund

    “You all look like happy campers to me. Happy campers you are, happy campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you will always be.”
    Vice President Dan Quayle, to the American Samoans, whose capital Quayle pronounces “Pogo Pogo”

    I still laugh when I see just three of the many stupidities that came out of Quayle. They also had to keep him “guarded” so he did not open his mouth again.
    Quayle and Palin share the same idiotic genes. Different schooling, but same genes. You know, you can go “through” school–It doesn’t mean the school goes through YOU.

28. Cathymac
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:11 am

    Poliponeso, Please don’t start a tit for tat on verbal gaffes, Obiden is the the king of gaffes and some of them are pretty offensive.

29. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:16 am

    Hey, history is what it is. Quayle was insult to anyone intelligent enough to know their geography. Humans are not perfect, but if you put yourself on government, public positions, you should at least know world geography? Don’t you think???? Oh-but wait- Palin said she knew about Russia because you can see it from an island in Alaska!!! There you go!

30. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:19 am

    What Poliponeso is saying is that we should not measure those by those things that are measurable.

    In other words “ZERO”..

31. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:32 am

    “Measurability”…. that’s a relative term. Do you HONESTLY think someone that replies that they know Russia because they “can see it from an island in Alaska” is qualified to be VP or potential VP??? You must be living in Mary Poppins land.
    Read again: Anyone without world geography knowledge is not fit for VP or potential President. Not to mention what should be part of that knowledge, world economics, world structures, proficiency as a public communicator, organizational capacity, political skill, vision of public policy, cognitive style, and emotional intelligence: A well-balanced individual who possesses a wide variety of talents, abilities, and skills that elicits respect and not laughs from not just US citizens, but the world, as we live in a global economy, not Alaskan, not unbalanced. She’s totally unbalanced. She’ll probably be sent to a lot of funerals with guards to protect her from being questioned. Oh wait–unless McCain buys the ranch…. then it will be scary for us, and the world.

32. Julia Grace
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:42 am

    Interesting that the media has never *grilled* Obama, the PRESIDENTIAL nominee (no less), on his foreign policy experience/stance. Since he appears to be the media ‘darling’, why WOULD they put him in such an awkward position? Makes sense. The bias is becoming more and more obvious…Thankfully, discerning, intelligent Americans see through the smoke and mirrors Gov. Palin was great!!! She is so ready to be president if needed. Mr. Obama just does not have the experience. He was in the senate for 3 years and 2 of them trying to get elected. He only made 1/100 of a decision, a group decision at that! Gov. Palin has way more executive experience/had to make more decisions on a DAILY basis. Three out of four of the nominees have experience: McCain, Palin and Biden. Unfortuately, Obama is not in that group.A community organizer is an honorable job, but does not provide the necessary experience to be PRESIDENT. In addition, Sarah has proven herself to be a team leader, reaching across party lines. She has an 86% approval rating in AK (75% among democrats!) McCain/Palin ‘08!!

33. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:49 am

    Well, O’Bama seems to think that there are 58 states, and that either Alaska or Hawaii is not one of them. Two gaffes in ONE BREATH!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

34. J.B.
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:51 am

    As any human being can see, that Gov Palin was reading scripted answers to Charlie’s questions. She answered several questions the same exact way when asked to elaborate on what she was saying. If she can dance around questions now, imagine if she is in the white house and a crisis happened such as 9/11, could she ever be honest or direct when issuing information to the American people. I’m all for women in the White House, but this is clearly not the woman/person that can do the job.

35. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:54 am

    Since you brought up Russia, the voters appear to have very clear views on this :

    “WASHINGTON (AFP) — US voters believe by a two-to-one margin that Republican White House candidate John McCain is better qualified than his rival Barack Obama to deal with a resurgent Russia, a new poll found on Tuesday.”

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hezVTZmXwAQXb5LWvNsk4q7HGkDw

    Anybody, just ONE Obama accomplishment ?

36. J.B.
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:56 am

    As for grilling people. O’Reilly grilled Sen. Obama as much as he could, and Sen Obama handled his questions with great poise and confidence. O’Reilly would never grill McCain/Palin in the matter as he did in that interview. And in no way Charlie Gibson was forcefull nor did he badger Gov Palin, he was very biased and I commend him for that by staying in the middle. She could not handle his questions nor did she look comfortable as she spoke without a written speech in front of her, and clearly the answers she gave were scripted as she kept repeating her own words with NO clarification. Gibson even had to ask her, HUH?

37. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:58 am

    This is an eyeopener:
    http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/520272.html

38. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:01 am

    Oh, Palin has MANY MANY accomplishments that is why after accusing Obama in ads of being a “star” they have :

    “…..handled their vice-presidential pick like some celebrity who will only deign to give an interview if conditions are favorable. McCain campaign manager Rick Davis told Fox News Sunday, Palin would take questions “when we think it’s time and when she feels comfortable doing it.”

    Palin has accused Barack Obama of being a me-first celebrity candidate for president. At least he has been facing media questions for the past 18 months.

    Here are some of the questions Palin should be answering, for Alaskans and the rest of the country:
    http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/520272.html

39. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:03 am

    Here is the ABC interview w/ Palin.

    I do not recall ABC’s grilling Gov. Clinton about his foreign policy experience when he was running for president.

40. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:09 am

    poliponeso-

    “Anybody, just ONE Obama accomplishment ?”

    Was my question, why are you choking on it so ?

41. J.B.
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:11 am

    If you really believe in the McCain/Palin ticket, you obviously believe that this country has been ran the correct way for the past 8 years, considering that they are “yes” men of the Bush Administration. You clearly are blinded of all the economic woes around this country and prefer things to remain the same or worse. It’s really a shame to see people that think that this country is in a better place than 8 years ago and you continue to remain in your homes turning your head the other way of what America has really turned into.

42. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:11 am

    No, jack, not on ABC. He was grilled all over the place before that. She’s been on the public light for less than 2 weeks.
    Do you HONESTLY think she should be treated with deference? Since when is the candidate for VP and potential President been treated as such???? Get real.
    While I agree that we should speak to her in a decent fashion, I have no problem giving respect when earned. However, NO ONE, whoever, he or she is, running for the Second Highest Office in our land, should be treated with Deference as suggested by her Rovian handlers. That is not fair to the other three people on their respective tickets…they have been grilled and vetted by the press for the last 20 months. Sarah doesn’t get a pass because she has a pregnant daughter who isn’t married, she doesn’t get a pass because Trig has special needs…she needs to “woman up” to the Press and discuss her Bridge to NoWhere flipflops; she needs to be asked the hard questions on national affairs, national security, and the national economy. This is no longer an Alaska state issue….there are about 400 Million of us in the lower 48, less your 600,000+, who do not know your Governor and we do deserve some “straight talk” on the political issues of the day that are important to us down here in the lower 48 or do you believe any administration only represents the one view of those who voted for them…. get in the present with honest eyes.

43. Cathymac
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:13 am

    Dans, this is P’s other work on another blog, he is a talented and dedicated Palin basher. Give him his props!

    http://whitenoiseinsanity.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/abc-interview-sarah-palin-is-an-empty-suit/#comments

    See comment #7.

    P: Please defend YOUR candidate, answer the questions posed to you.

44. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:24 am

    No, poliponeso, I am only saying that Gov. Clinton was NOT so grilled. If you have evidence to the contrary, do show us.

45. Joe Budzinski
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:26 am

    Anybody see the GMA portion of the interview today? I forgot to DVR it.

    I thought the Nightline version last night came off pretty well (except for Palin’s posture), much better editing job than the World News broadcast.

    She is doing really well all things considered. I can’t wait to see what this does for the McCain polling number. I think they could air 60 minutes of Sarah Palin walking down the street and McCain would gain 5 percentage points.

46. Joe Budzinski
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:29 am

    Oh by the way did anybody notice that the battle to control the House of Representatives is suddenly competitive? I thought that was an interesting nugget.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congress-Suddenly-Looks-Competitive.aspx

47. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:32 am

    SO…. Dans, Bush had ALL that experience before becoming President. Is that why he did such a great job??? Hm. Well well well.

    I’m not in the habit of getting into this, but perhaps to stop right here: First off, I wonder how many people could name the accomplishments of more than a handful of senators. That’s partly because most people aren’t experts on the U.S. Senate, but also because there are 100 senators. A bill is written and sponsored by at least a few of them, and passed with a majority. Even John McCain, whose record in the Senate is exemplary, can only take partial credit for McCain-Feingold, or McCain-Lieberman. McCain’s record is one of compromise, not autocratic accomplishment.

    That’s one reason why so few senators get to be presidents. The job of president is that of a manager and an executive. Senators, on the other hand, work only in coalitions. What’s more, power in the Senate is mostly a function of seniority; a first-term senator can’t accomplish much.

    It’s an easier question to answer about a governor or a vice president. But that doesn’t mean that governors make better presidents. People love to throw around the word “experience” when they talk about who should be president, as if any experience on the planet could possibly prepare you for the job.

    That said, Obama has, obviously, lots of accomplishments: he was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, he taught constitutional law for 12 years, he wrote the incredible Dreams from My Father and, of course, he’s given some amazing speeches.

    Some of his legislative accomplishments are noteworthy, only not on a national scale. He was a successful community organizer. As Illinois state Senator, he, according to the New York Times, “helped deliver what is said to have been the first significant campaign finance reform law in Illinois in 25 years. He brought law enforcement groups around to back legislation requiring that homicide interrogations be taped and helped bring about passage of the state’s first racial-profiling law. He was a chief sponsor of a law enhancing tax credits for the working poor, played a central role in negotiations over welfare reform and successfully pushed for increasing child care subsidies.” He also spoke out against the war in Iraq, which, at the time, appeared to be pretty risky.

    Oh, and should I add to this, he gives great interviews, without the need of scripts. Scripts for Obama?? That would be below dignified or what a serious prospect for President or VP would do. A dignified prospect relies on their own intellect and knowledge of world matters to fend for themselves. Now, that shows there’s a mind, that shows a great potential leader. And I’m an independent, believe or not, more like an observer if you will.

48. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:32 am

    JB, you really have no clue how far off base you are do you..

    “If you really believe in the McCain/Palin ticket, you obviously believe that this country has been ran the correct way for the past 8 years,”

    I absolutely do not, especially in the last two when gas went from $2.50 to $4.00, on the watch of a Democratically controlled congress.
    Bush has made many mistakes, and many here have bashed Bush far worse than Obama. It is because of the last 4 years, and more importantly the last two that I, an Independent, am voting McCain/Palin. Most of our current problems have arisen since the 2006 elections, America has gone downhill while Nancy has her hair done, and Harry does whatever Harry does. Now you want to give us a president who stands in front of a mirror all day admiring how good he looks ?

    “You clearly are blinded of all the economic woes around this country and prefer things to remain the same or worse.”

    What woes ? The GDP growth was 3.3% last quarter, Bushes plan is working, and oh yeah, BO wants a Bush plan, part deaux.

    “Anybody, just ONE Obama accomplishment ?”

    Was my question, why are you too choking on it so ?

49. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:34 am

    JACK:
    The toughest grilling you can get in this is Bill OReilly on FoxNEWS. Or did you miss that one? Both Hillary and Obama have been grilled by him. You know he is relentless.

50. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:46 am

    Joe, yes, I did see it and it was improved over the earlier piece. Did you catch McCain at Columbia, running on FOX ?

    They both were good interviews. Think Sarah is handling things well in light of how hard Obama’s bull terriers have been after her. Contrast that with Biden, the heat has hardly been turned up on him, and he is whining how Hillary would have been a better pick. I saw that and thought ‘wow, McCain’s VP pick has more balls that Obama’s!’.

    Can’t imagine what she will be like under the tutelage of the old war horse McCain for 4 or more years.

51. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:48 am

    I was unaware that Bill O’Reilly ever interviewed Gov. Clinton. Please show us.

52. J.B.
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:58 am

    This one is for Dan:

    You mentioned what woes does America have?
    Since you stated that the GDP has grown 3.3%, you obviously have yourself distant from the woes I’m referring to. The fact remains that there are an overwhelming amount of foreclosed homes in this country, that education is clearly down, and there is no help financially for students to go to college, or the main fact that the unemployment rate is the worse Americans have seen since the Great Depression. We are not in a depression but a RECESSION. Where the value of a dollar is minimal to nothing at present day. The fact that the Middle Class has resulted into being unstable and it is the McCain/Palin ticket that is trying to turn the country into the “HAVE” and the “HAVE NOTS”. You clearly cannot tell me you are voting for McCain/Palin ticket, instead you are voting for the Party. Which is fine, if that’s what you want to do. But look into the reality of America, the Bush Administration has divided us as a country, and will continue to do so voting that way.

53. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:59 am

    Joe, re #45, no, I had not seen that, thanks dude !

    Only one thing would make me happier than retiring Bush and Speaker Pelosi in the same election, retiring Bush and Pelosi AND REID!!!

54. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 12:31 pm

    JB,

    Recession ? Do you know what a recession is ? Do you know during the Bush admin, we have only had only one quarter of negative GDP growth ? Do you know which quarter of which year ?

    Foreclosures ?, and this has exactly WHAT to do with Bush ? This is more of question for your local officials, ‘why did you approve all this new home construction creating a glut in the housing inventories?’.

    Why are the increases or decreases in foreclosure rates not proportional to the unemployment rate ? Why are the increases or decreases in foreclosure rates not proportional to the GDP growth rate ? Reason, too many purchased homes that they could not afford, and market speculators are baling out due to the drop in home prices. We new as far back when Clinton was pres the real estate bubble would burst, we just did not know when. A Loudoun County official told me a story recently about a McMansion he had recently visited. He said he walked into this million dollar home, and it was furnished with lawn furniture. These folks bought a house they obviously could not afford. This house went to foreclosure.

    Education is down ? What, did Bush kill Student Loans and Pell Grants?Odd you mention that as in 2007 Bush actually proposed to increase Pell Grant awards. Public school enrollment is at an all time high, student achievement is increasing year after year.

    Oh yeah, I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary..

    PS, it was Q4 of 2007..

55. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 12:36 pm

    JB, forgot to add :

    “McCain/Palin ticket that is trying to turn the country into the “HAVE” and the “HAVE NOTS”.”

    It’s not a question of haves and haves not.. It is a question of earners, and earners not. It is a question of takers, and takers not.

    I guess when you say have nots, I assume you are referring to those that feel it is the government’s job to provide everything to them.

56. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:06 pm

    JACK,
    Do you mean Senator Clinton?

57. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:12 pm

    Re. the Bush Doctrine, Sarah was correct :

    Wikipedia :

    “These principles are sometimes referred to as the Bush Doctrine although the term is often used to describe other elements of Bush policy and is not universally recognized as the single concept….
    …The Bush Doctrine could potentially be defined in many different ways[24] as there is no known, official, “Bush Doctrine” as per the White House, the Republican party, or as announced or endorsed by the Bush Presidency”

    It is not the singular philosophy that Charlie thinks it it, but multi-faceted. Asking him to be more specific was a reasonable reply.

58. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:25 pm

    Actually, we are not in a recession, either, which is defined as two consecutive quarters of declining GDP. We have not even had ONE under Bush: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/GDP.txt (Sorry, dans, but not even in 2007.)

    Dans makes a good point about those who earn and those who do not. The point extends to “who improves productivity, and who does not.” Let us say that a man has started a landscaping company, and hires a worker to push a lawnmower. The owner later buys a larger riding mower, and twice as many lawns can be done in the same amount of time. Who should reap the reward for that improved productivity, the man who invested his money in the more expensive lawnmower, or the man who can now sit instead of push?

59. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

    No, I said GOVERNOR, and I meant GOVERNOR. When was GOVERNOR Clinton grilled about his foreign policy experience?

60. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:40 pm

    Jack,
    You’re talking about Mr. Clinton, the Rhodes Scholar, who went to Oxford, married to Senator Clinton who was the 1st Lady for 8 years???? That would be President Clinton. Senator Clinton, his wife, has never been Governor.

61. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:51 pm

    jack, I said one quarter of negative GDP growth in Q4 2007, sorry if I was not specific enough.

    Our last recession was something like 1991 ?

62. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

    No, polyp, I’m talking about GOVERNOR Clinton, who BECAME president. When was GOVERNOR Clinton grilled about his foreign policy experience?

63. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 2:12 pm

    Jack- alias Amoeba, when you learn to address PROPERLY the presidents (past and present) of the U.S., then I’ll dignify this with a reply. Otherwise, you’re not worthy. GO BACK TO 1st GRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He is PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON.

    Dorks should be off THESE premises. FCOL!

64. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 2:16 pm

    Oh, amoeba, alias Jack– Ahem, not sure if you knew but you’re a Rhodes Scholar, who went to Oxford, you pretty much can sit at ANY chair…. not just in the U.S., but the world, and win ‘em all…!! Count if you would how many Presidents have come with such a pedigree. Nitwit.

65. Vanessa
    September 12th, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

    One thing was evident in C. Gibson’s interview – he is one of Obama’s followers. He would not dare ask the questions of a male that he did of Sarah Palin. I am so sick of people asking about her qualifications – what are Obama’s qualifications? What were the qualifications of some of our other VP? One person said she was the token female, well is Obama the token black person? In my opinion Palin has more experience in dealing with people since she has been a socer Mom. Do you know how vicious those Moms are? This race has shown me that people still want to put women in a square box and never let them out and this makes me very sad for my daughters and my granddaughter. Women need to ban together and fight this prejudice.

66. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 2:42 pm

    Vanessa, read #46.

    I am a woman, independent. I’m an observer. And you have to be blind to NOT SEE that Palin would be spectacularly unqualified for the job of vice president even if McCain were immortal. But the prospect of her suddenly being thrust into the leadership of the free world has got to leave everyone but the most loyal, talking-point-equipped partisans deeply chilled.

    This is not a question of her politics. And it has absolutely nothing to do with her gender. It’s not even strictly speaking a question of experience. Conceivably, somebody with even less experience than Palin could meet what everyone should be able to agree is a basic requirement for the office: That she or he has given serious thought to the national and international issues of our time.

    Is there any evidence that Palin is anything other than an utter neophyte when it comes to issues such as Iraq, the economy, health care, and domestic and foreign policy generally?

    Palin’s lack of the most basic prerequisite for the job should be the dominant message of the news coverage. Instead, her selection was hailed as a “bold move,” with her lack of qualifications relegated to the status of a Democratic complaint.

    What possible reason is there to nominate someone so lacking for the vice presidency? In this case, of course, it couldn’t be more obvious that Palin’s selection has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with governance. Palin’s gender and her hard-right credentials were clearly seen by McCain’s top advisers as just what the campaign needed.

    Whether that was a clever or suicidal political calculation remains to be seen. It’s certainly looking more and more like it was a reckless one. But it doesn’t just strain credulity — it pulverizes it — to suggest that she is the best and most qualified person McCain could find for the job.

    By the way, bullies are also vicious. I am a woman, and she insults my intelligence as a human being and as a woman (can’t imagine how much Hillary Clinton cringes) when I hear ask: “What do you mean by that?” –referring to Bush’s Doctrine. Oy vey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

67. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 2:59 pm

    I was not talking about PRESIDENT Clinton, polyp, but GOVERNOR Clinton. Pay attention. When was GOVERNOR Clinton, who at the time was NOT YET PRESIDENT, grilled about HIS lack of foreign policy experience?

68. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

    No one grills a Rhodes Scholar. Or if they do, they know what they’re in for, amoeba.

69. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 3:22 pm

    Sarah Palin PALES(pun intended) as “governor” with the resume President Clinton had when Governor of Arkansas. He was a Rhodes Scholar! Do you know what that means? Google it.
    SP has a Journalism degree from some obscure university that allowed her to do Sports Casting in some small channel.
    When did she ever become interested in becoming educated. No, she became a moose-shooter, and a hockey mom. A FAR CRY from a Rhodes Scholar. So, there you have it. You get what you pay for. In the “hot chair” of, any interview chair, where there’s no script or teleprompter she will become shreds.
    NO ONE should put themselves in that position because they’re a hockey mom or a pitbull with lipstick. aha ha ha! And if they do, then they can stand the heat. NO COMPARISON HERE between these TWO! Dimwit!!!

70. Lovisa
    September 12th, 2008 @ 3:24 pm

    poliponeso

    What a welcome addition to this blog. Hope you stay with it!

    An aside – Picking “the most qualified for the job” statement brings to mind old Daddy Bush who boldly stated that Clarence Thomas was indeed the most qualified for the supreme court.

71. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 3:32 pm

    Thanks Lovisa!!
    Yeah, I remember Clarence and the can of coke!!… a ha ha ha
    Funny how/when people define “qualifications”… isn’t it??? Hm…. like how fair is it to those born with a silver spoon like Dad Bush to be qualified (even if they’re not sure where Hawaii is located) as opposed to the hard-working black gentleman who busted his butt, got all kinds of awards, but color or social class doesn’t allow him to “win” bec. of qualifications???!!! Give me a break. That’s why Europe and the rest of the world laughs at us!! It is time this country wakes up!!

72. Linda B
    September 12th, 2008 @ 4:03 pm

    How interesting that Clarence Thomas should be brought up in a post about the press’ treatment of Palin.

73. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

    “the hard-working black gentleman who busted his butt, got all kinds of awards, but color or social class doesn’t allow him to “win” bec. of qualifications???!!!”

    Yes, polyp, that WAS how the leftists treated Clarence Thomas, wasn’t it?

    As for your wonderful Rhodes Scholar, he seems to have gotten something backwards:

    Selection committees are charged to seek excellence in qualities of mind and in qualities of person which, in combination, offer the promise of effective service to the world in the decades ahead.

    http://www.rhodesscholar.org/brochure.html

    Clinton, getting it backward, insisted that people service HIM. Then he lied about it in court. (Did they teach him THAT at Oxford?) As a result, he is the only President to be legitimately impeached.

74. Cathymac
    September 12th, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

    Curious that the left is still perpetuating the coke can myth, further that Biden was a key player in the trashing and backstabbing of Thomas. Things have come full circle.

75. The Bulletproof Monk
    September 12th, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

    What a comically-enlightening addition you have with poliponeso. I haven’t laughed at someone’s delusions this much in months. Thanks for the giggles, girl.
    I’ve always held that democrats were too slow to truly understand economics and that they readily slurp up reports from the MSM…..and here’s the proof joining us right here, right now!!

76. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 6:08 pm

    There are better “delusions” out there, BulletMonk, and very well said:

    The thought that an old “resentful warhorse” like McBush (errr. Macain) and a “religious rapture junkie” would be in a position to act out on these ideals is a SCARY one indeed!

    If one looks at what drives these people it would behoove them to THINK before they vote for them. McCain is the kind of guy that has plenty of anger stored up about not “winning” in Vietnam and is obviously hell-bent on payback even if its with someone on the other side of the planet. All he knows is that he needs to “win” no matter with whom or where it may be. His side-kick (Palin) is an ideal pick for a guy like McCain in that she believes (and would like to speed up) that the “end days” are upon us and can hardly wait to get into the clouds with her harp. Somewhere in her conscious (or subconscious) as with most Evangelicals lies this illusion that they have a first class ticket to heaven. A “nuclear holocast” is their ticket!

    WHAT A TEAM!”

77. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 6:24 pm

    You’re right, polyp, that IS quite an impressive delusion you have going there. Are you enjoying it?

78. ACTivist
    September 12th, 2008 @ 7:24 pm

    Monk,
    “What a comically-enlightening addition you have with poliponeso.”
    I’m with you. We haven’t had such ignorance in quite awhile. This must be the “new” generation voter we need to worry about-no sense, no logic and no clue. And she aligns herself with NoVisa! Now we’re in REAL trouble!

79. ACTivist
    September 12th, 2008 @ 7:28 pm

    polyclad,

    A name caller right out of the gate. I guess abuse gets your point across. I’m with you on the “no experience” thing. After all, we made a community organizer our first president for 2 terms. He organized the militia and he didn’t know crap about politics but he did know integrity and the rights of the citizens. So does Gov. Palin. I guess those 2 examples trump your Chicago thug and the lying Rogue Scholar. Ooops! That was one of them fraudian slips!

80. Greg L
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:44 pm

    Geez, what is it that brings these psychos out? I’ve had some deranged nutbag saying we deserved 9-11 because of how someone’s great-great grandfather treated indians, and you have the folks thinking that McCain has been holding back anger since 1974 or so, just waiting until he was elected president so he could exact his revenge on Ho Chi Minh.

    I can just imagine John McCain riding the lead tank into Ho Chi Minh City, sporting a shovel so he can dig up some guy who has been dead for thirty years and beat up the long-ago lifeless corpse. Is that really the nightmare that infests the liberal mind of late?

    I guess Palin induced mass psychosis in liberals over the past two weeks or so. The left has collectively gone beyond being a few nuggets short of a happy meal, and are now missing the damn bag as well.

81. joe
    September 12th, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

    Mass psychosis – excellent summation of what we are seeing.

82. Anna
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:35 pm

    Anyone who follows politics somewhat knows what that is. It is very disappointing that someone like her could even be considered as VP. It’s funny how the Republican party states that “most Americans do not know what the Bush Doctrine is.” Well…most Americans are not VP material. Obviously the person who is going to lead this country must be above and beyond the average person, and possess SOME basic political knowledge.

    It is an alright shame that our nation and a Republican party would endorse such a candidate. Truly what has the republican party come to. I am embarrassed to call myself a republican.

83. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:45 pm

    Anna, what do you think the Bush Doctrine is ?

84. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:48 pm

    Greg L,

    “Geez, what is it that brings these psychos out?”

    A 14 point slip in the polls will do it every time. Guess moveon.org put out an email alert to their minions to start hitting the blogs to get their drivel out..

85. poliponeso
    September 12th, 2008 @ 10:48 pm

    Anna, well said…!! but perhaps some here will also consider your comment “delusional” as well . ha ha haha… the majority is always scary, but usually always wrong.

86. dans
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:00 pm

    poliponeso, I see you got one too…

87. jack
    September 12th, 2008 @ 11:54 pm

    “I guess Palin induced mass psychosis in liberals over the past two weeks or so.” –Greg

    No, psychosis is required to be a leftists in the first place. What else could explain their nominating the LEAST EXPERIENCED candidate in the race? No, before Palin, their psychosis was preoccupied with gazing, hypnotized, into O’Bama’s eyes. They see Palin as a threat to their messiah, so they turn their psychosis into attacking her.

    “the majority is always scary, but usually always wrong.” –Polyp

    It’s this thinking that leads the leftists to totalitarianism. Anyway, “usually always” is an oxymoron, as is “O’Bama’s experience.”

88. sherry Denecker
    September 13th, 2008 @ 9:27 am

    I am a democrat who will be voting for McCain/ Palin. She gave an excellent interview and answered questions on the same level of accuracy that Obama did.( and she’s only running for VP) The only difference I can see between the two is her love of country. I don’t know about the rest of America but I grew up in the old school where you were taught to love, respect and honor your flag and country. When a presidential candidate can not put his hand on his heart and pledge to the American Flag and to America I question his motives, his integrity and his patriotism. I myself have no intentions of voting for an inexperienced, non-patriotic person who has spent the last twenty years listening to racially hate motivated messages from his former preacher (whom he abandoned to get votes). Perhaps Obama was oversees as a child getting his foreign policy experience when we were all learning the Pledge of Allegience and its meaning.

89. poliponeso
    September 13th, 2008 @ 11:48 am

    Jack – do i dare say i detect a hint of racism in your obtuse Obama blind statement/s… but hey, people like you is what makes the world laugh at us as “the land of the free”. hm. there will always always (how do you classify, that aliteration. who cares) be such, which for instance 500+ yrs ago staunchly believed the world to be flat. you would be in that group. tsk tsk tsk.
    i consider “usually always” poetic license. + love e.e.cummings, as well. are you going to criticize my lack of punctuation, or capitalization, or syntax. go ahead be small. i know “amoeba” was appropriate.
    oh, and “leftist to totalitarianism” is more of an oxymoronic blind view (love that one: “blind view”) of basic human rights, as opposed to nationalistc fanaticism, nee facism. the latter is small people, small minds. the former is larger, broader, and intricately related to what makes us human beings. which is not a flag or skin color for starters.

90. Lovisa
    September 13th, 2008 @ 12:25 pm

    What a petty comment at the end, sherry!

    Are you insinuating that Obama is unpatriotic in some way?

91. jack
    September 13th, 2008 @ 12:50 pm

    “do i dare say i detect a hint of racism in your obtuse Obama blind statement/s”

    You can say whatever you want, polyp; but your saying something does not make it truth. Leftists are well-known for sprinkling the “racist” label about like it’s salt on french fries.

    “i consider “usually always” poetic license.”

    Ah, well, then you must also consider “O’Bama’s experience” poetic license too — it makes just about as much sense as “usually always.”

    >> are you going to criticize my lack of
    >> punctuation, or capitalization, or syntax”

    I could. But the more you use the grammar of an idiot, the more people realize that you ARE an idiot.

    >> “leftist to totalitarianism” is more of an
    >> oxymoronic blind view… of basic human
    >> rights

    For once, we agree. And yet, how many times has the leftist worldview ended in totalitarianism? Since not all people are equal in ability, and those who are may put forth different levels of effort, equality of outcome, which is the leftist ideal, must be enforced by the government.

    In fighting for equality, not of opportunity but of outcome, the leftists become the very thing they claim to hate. If a man is not entitled to the fruits of his labor, but they can be taken from him by the state and given to those who expend no effort, how can he be said to be free?

92. jack
    September 13th, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

    Gee, Lovisa, why would someone who is friends with an unrepentant member of the Weather Underground ever be thought unpatriotic?

93. jacob
    September 13th, 2008 @ 1:40 pm

    Wow, I lose my internet connection for two days and all this breaks lose on the blog. Kewel.

94. The Bulletproof Monk
    September 13th, 2008 @ 1:53 pm

    The lie that Obama has even a lint’s weight more experience than the #2 person on the Republican ticket is hilarious.
    Palin had an $11 BIL budget and 156,000 employee Government to administrate.
    Where is Obama’s comparable?

95. poliponeso
    September 15th, 2008 @ 8:33 am

    L’argument ” manque d’expérience ” souvent évoqué pour critiquer la candidature de Barack Obama, formé par la célèbre université Harvard, ( qu’en serait-il si c’était le contraire ? ) est un faux débat. Qu’on me cite une seule preuve d’expérience de l’actuel président en exercice Bush, élu à la Maison Blanche par hasard, ou celle de ses prédécesseurs. Il est temps que l’Amérique sorte de ce genre de raisonnement si elle veut montrer au monde l’exemple d’une vraie démocratie.

96. poliponeso
    September 15th, 2008 @ 8:54 am

    To all GOP fanatics who think great thinkers are potential totalitarians:

    If The United States was looked at as a Corporation with 51 sub-companies, the American people would be the Board. The Board is in charge of Hiring/Electing the CEO and CFO. Before anyone is given these very critical positions there would be a very thorough interview process. References would be checked and re-checked. Any questionable rumors would be scrutinized before this person was “hired”.
    Can you imagine interviewing for an executive position, or really any position for that matter, and telling the interviewer “I will answer questions when I am ready and when you show me deference”? I think you would be laughed right out the door and never considered again. The interviewer(s) has/have every right to ask questions that are relevant to the job because it will have an effect of the company’s future, financial and otherwise, if this person is given the job.
    Let’s get real people, Ms. Palin has applied for the 2nd highest job at our company! I do care what her thoughts are on aspects that directly affect our “employees”, “stockholders”, “customers”, “competitors”, et al. I have every right to ask questions as does the other Board members whether you like them or not.
    When you are asking me to give you one of the most important positions in the “company” I must think of the “company” first. That includes questions of judgment, priorities, and the applicant’s ability to handle challenges. Our “company” is in trouble and we need a strong “team” to fix it. The future of the “company” depends on this critical decision. The Board cannot just depend on what is stated on the resume… I mean how many times have people “stretched” the truth on those?
    So I am sorry if some folks are upset that I want answers but as a Federal tax payer I have the right to ask them. This is our “Company” and it is our obligation to make sure whomever is chosen for these critical positions are the best we can find. We have already made the mistake of believing the resume and look where that got us.
    All I ask is for everyone to think of this in these terms and I hope you might understand why I want to know if what is on the resume is real or not. Any CEO, CFO etc candidate would be given the same treatment, whether they were a man or woman. And they certainly would not be asking for “deference”.

97. jacob
    September 15th, 2008 @ 9:00 am

    poliponeso,
    “L’argument ” manque d’expérience ” … la candidature de Barack Obama, formé par la célèbre université Harvard… d’une vraie démocratie.”
    AAARRRoiow iiikkkpphht ack spleeeee!! And furthermore!! “Ppppthththtttt!! EEeooow Barak Peeeyooooo ackkkk.

98. poliponeso
    September 15th, 2008 @ 9:11 am

    Jacob, do you like to hear from a potential President of a nation that they know Russia…. because…”hey, I can see it from an island in Alaska?????” I STILL can’t get over that one. Is Dan Quayle all over again. Now that’s “PHHHHHTTT!!! EEWWWW! ACCCCKKK! Bad bad testament of criteria.

99. jacob
    September 15th, 2008 @ 9:12 am

    poliponeso,
    “To all GOP fanatics who think great thinkers are potential totalitarians”
    no one here does, the trouble with your thesis is:
    1. you think Obama IS a great thinker
    2. you build right wing strawmen to knock down instead of engaging us on the issues

    to continue you very analogy is flawed …
    “f The United States was looked at as a Corporation with 51 sub-companies, the American people would be the Board.”
    No, (Wrong again) if America was a corporation with 51 sub companies, the American people would be the stock holders who ELECT the board. Since you ovbiously don’t have a clue as to how a corporation function the rest of the castle you constructed during you tirade, is now built on a cloud. C’ya when you come back to earth.

    “So I am sorry if some folks are upset that I want answers but as a Federal tax payer I have the right to ask them.”
    Stop reading our minds, you are terrible at it. I do not presume to know why or IF others are angry at you. I for one am not. I think in my case ‘bemusement’ would cover it better.

    As for Palin v. Obama the difference in the questions is startling. Go read the transcripts. Palin was treated like crap, Obama was given the beneifit of the doubt, and given softball questions to boot. Go read the transcripts, the difference is what is sinking MSM.

100. Cathymac
     September 15th, 2008 @ 9:12 am

     I spit in your general direction! Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of silly persons!

     Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!

101. jacob
     September 15th, 2008 @ 9:14 am

     Poli,
     “Now that’s “PHHHHHTTT!!! EEWWWW! ACCCCKKK! Bad bad testament of criteria.”
     ROTFL. Well, at least you do have a sense of humor. I see a possible gleam of hope here.

102. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 9:20 am

     “Great innovators and original thinkers and artists attract the wrath of mediocrities as lightning rods draw the flashes.”

     - Theodor Reik, American Psychoanalyst and Author, 1888-1969

103. jacob
     September 15th, 2008 @ 9:27 am

     Poli,
     So the guys at Enron and Jimmy Carter are great thinkers? Most the US, which includes ther mediocrities, hated both of the two aforementioned does that amke them great thinkers?

     I have a question for you. Since given the quote you choose indicates you think Obama is a great thinker, aside from being the first Black Democratic Congressional Candidate, what has Obama done in his career that is notable, let alone great?

104. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 9:33 am

     Jacob, I am re-posting #47, so spare you the scrolling.

     SO… Bush had ALL that experience before becoming President, notable?? Hm. Is that why he did such a great job??? Well well well. What really does it take then?? Honestly ask yourself?

     I’m not in the habit of getting into this, but perhaps to stop right here: First off, I wonder how many people could name the accomplishments of more than a handful of senators. That’s partly because most people aren’t experts on the U.S. Senate, but also because there are 100 senators. A bill is written and sponsored by at least a few of them, and passed with a majority. Even John McCain, whose record in the Senate is exemplary, can only take partial credit for McCain-Feingold, or McCain-Lieberman. McCain’s record is one of compromise, not autocratic accomplishment.

     That’s one reason why so few senators get to be presidents. The job of president is that of a manager and an executive. Senators, on the other hand, work only in coalitions. What’s more, power in the Senate is mostly a function of seniority; a first-term senator can’t accomplish much.

     It’s an easier question to answer about a governor or a vice president. But that doesn’t mean that governors make better presidents. People love to throw around the word “experience” when they talk about who should be president, as if any experience on the planet could possibly prepare you for the job.

     That said, Obama has, obviously, lots of accomplishments: he was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, he taught constitutional law for 12 years, he wrote the incredible Dreams from My Father and, of course, he’s given some amazing speeches.

     Some of his legislative accomplishments are noteworthy, only not on a national scale. He was a successful community organizer. As Illinois state Senator, he, according to the New York Times, “helped deliver what is said to have been the first significant campaign finance reform law in Illinois in 25 years. He brought law enforcement groups around to back legislation requiring that homicide interrogations be taped and helped bring about passage of the state’s first racial-profiling law. He was a chief sponsor of a law enhancing tax credits for the working poor, played a central role in negotiations over welfare reform and successfully pushed for increasing child care subsidies.” He also spoke out against the war in Iraq, which, at the time, appeared to be pretty risky.

     Oh, and should I add to this, he gives great interviews, without the need of scripts. Scripts for Obama?? That would be below dignified or what a serious prospect for President or VP would do. A dignified prospect relies on their own intellect and knowledge of world matters to fend for themselves. Now, that shows there’s a mind, that shows a great potential leader. And I’m an independent, believe or not, more like an observer if you will.

105. dans
     September 15th, 2008 @ 9:52 am

     Why do these backward thinking people keep bringing up Bush ?

     “SO… Bush had ALL that experience before becoming President,”

106. jacob
     September 15th, 2008 @ 10:22 am

     Poli,
     I will read you post and respond. A brief perusal indicates that the answer to my question, regarding the great thinking of Barak, was something about Bush. As I said, that was a glance. I will answer your repeated post later ( I am at work now ), your patience would be appreciated.

107. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 10:38 am

     Dans, Who should we bring up, uh…. Caligula? Miterrand?? Gorbachev?? Pinochet?? I mean, who’s THIS NATION’S current President????????? Didn’t you learn in school to look back and see what you can learn, so as to not repeat the SAME MISTAKES?… But alas, like one of my favorite poet/songwriters put it: “history will teach us nothing.” (BTW, if you don’t look back, you can’t look forward. I’d hate to be driving on the same road you drive… or maybe you DO use the rearview mirror—or wait, from what you said, looks like you just drive “forward.” Forward thinking. Brilliant.

108. dans
     September 15th, 2008 @ 11:26 am

     pol,

     Bush is irrelevant to any McCain v Obama debate and you know it. You are simply parroting your party line, changing the debate because you know unless you reframe it, you crash and burn.

     We can no more look at Bush, or Caligula et al. to determine what McCain will do as president, as we could Obama and McGovern. If you are saying that Obama and McGovern IS a valid comparison, well then, ‘I’ll be your huckleberry’.

     I have to take anything you post with a grain of salt. You have described yourself as an independent, yet you are posting the same drivel in blogs all over the net. Appears you have your own little Sarah Palin jihad fantasy trip going on.

     Yes, I do use the rear view mirror, but all I see is the rear end of liberals like yourself, headed in the other direction.

109. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 12:25 pm

     dans, is “dans” for “dans le cirque” ???
     - you sure sound like it – way off!!!!!
     I won’t be wasting any more fonts w/ you.

110. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 1:10 pm

     Anyone got a clue of where this comes from?
     “And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.”

111. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 1:16 pm

     I guess my idealistic aim (which will probably prove futile in the end) would be that people open their eyes to the fact that we are human beings FIRST, then citizens of the country we happened to be born in. We should have the humility to ASK OURSELVES if we are serving the interests of a few–because of staunch, rigid pride in NATION, or are we for HIGHER interests that transcend nationalistic boundaries. Some said it very well elsewhere:

     “We are seeing the effects of 8 years of the worst administration in U.S. history, but I’m sure some will try to blame this on Bill Clinton, the only feasible excuse they can come up that will rally the Christian conservatives. A McCain victory in November could spell the end of America’s reign of supremacy.

     …. Whoever wins in November is in a no-win situation. If Obama wins, in four years, when things get even worse (and they will; don’t think this crisis ends with Lehman Bros.). People will be begging for a change in political leadership. Then Rove’s candidate (Jeb Bush??) can ride in on a white horse.
     What a joke.”

112. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 1:21 pm

     Anyone ever compare Rome and the U.S.?

113. Cathymac
     September 15th, 2008 @ 1:38 pm

     Rome has better spaghetti.

114. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 2:19 pm

     Cathmac, Not in gastronomic terms, yum!!, But, uh… as empires, ROME as the empire of the world circa 700 B.C. to 500 A.D? Any parallels with the modern day empire, i.e., U.S.A.?

115. Wolverine
     September 15th, 2008 @ 2:30 pm

     WOW!! Poliponeso must be in a real panic over the prospects of his candidate in November!
     Such ranting and raving! Such insults! Such a fine example of a BHO supporter! And partly in French as well! Calmez-vous, mon ami. Je ne suis pas dans mes petits souliers!

116. Joe Budzinski
     September 15th, 2008 @ 2:35 pm

     We’ve had some interesting threads here before but this one ranks right up there. Thanks for entertainment, guys

117. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 2:41 pm

     wolf,
     i do not side with any party. if you were a thorough reader, you would have caught that as well. i decide who to “spend fonts” on or not– when i see there’s no depth. not a matter of insulting first; others came first and hit me; I just reacted, but do not perpetuate it.

     i just see the world is starting to crumble– this is how empires fall, and give way to other empires. unfortunately, there will NOT be any human-ruled empires after this one.

     En plus, mon opinion est que travailler trente-cinq heures par semaine est excessif!!!

118. dans
     September 15th, 2008 @ 2:49 pm

     “Any parallels with the modern day empire”

     I assume you are referring to the recent toga party in Denver ?

     “in French as well!”

     You all prove Omaba wrong again, Americans CAN say more than merci beacoup !

119. dans
     September 15th, 2008 @ 2:58 pm

     Wolverine, yes, it is clear she does not side with either party, she just likes to disparage one, and praise the other..

     Only 35 hours ? You must work in a public education system..

     n’est-ce pas ?

120. Wolverine
     September 15th, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

     So, Poli, you seem to be defining yourself as a frantic debater, albeit an objective one, who is on the edge of succumbing to fatalism over the future of this old orb.

     Alas, to tell the truth, when you lead off your serious commentary with insults, I really have a hard time bringing myself to read the rest of your argument. When you got to the part about Bill Clinton’s purported status as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, I was laughing so hard that I spilled coffee on my keyboard. If Clinton was a “scholar” when he was at Oxford, then my real name is Obama.

     By the way, a wolverine is not a wolf.

     And what in tarnation does working more than 35 hours a week have to do with all this? Oh, I forgot. The French and their obsession about short work weeks — the solution to all the world’s ills. Vive la France — what it used to be, that is.

121. jacob
     September 15th, 2008 @ 3:49 pm

     Poli,
     you are partisan. get over it. No one would mistake you for a middle of the road type. Obama supporter. Accept who you are.

122. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 3:49 pm

     wolverine
     Pronunciation:
     \ˌwu̇l-və-ˈrēn\
     Function:
     noun
     Inflected Form(s):
     plural wolverines
     Etymology:
     probably irregular from wolv- (as in wolves)

     My last words to you: I’d rather be a fatalist who speaks the truth, than an optimist full of lies. Bon voyage!

     “Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong.”
     Thomas Jefferson

123. jacob
     September 15th, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

     poli,
     having read your comment #47 which was the answer to my question in comment #103, I now respond.

     “SO Bush had ALL that experience before becoming President, notable?? Hm. Is that why he did such a great job??? Well well well. What really does it take then?? Honestly ask yourself?”
     I take that then to mean Obama has nothing to distinguish himself.

     What a pitiful answer. Obama is trumpeted by the left as the best thing since sliced bread. The right looks over and see’s an empty suite that can give a good teleprompter speech. I ask one obama’s supporters, and all I get is in effect “Bush Sucks”. No one here disagrees with that, but what does it have to do with the question?

     “That said, Obama has, obviously, lots of accomplishments: he was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, he taught constitutional law for 12 years, he wrote the incredible Dreams from My Father and, of course, he’s given some amazing speeches.”
     OK, now you are beginning to answer the question. Obama was the head of a college law review, wrote an auto-biography (very kennedy-esque, {tre-chic}), and is a good public speaker.

     The above is good resume padding for a college president, not the US president.

     Come to think of it, do the above three make Obama MORE qualified than Governor Palin how? Palin had an $11B annual budget and 15000 employees?

     “Some of his legislative accomplishments are noteworthy, only not on a national scale.”
     Agreed, but if you are willing to see Obama’s actions on the statewide stage in such a light, why do you spit on Palin who also is impressive in her statewide office?

124. ACTivist
     September 15th, 2008 @ 4:46 pm

     polyclad,

     You can be amusing in an ignorant way but as we used to say in the 60’s-”you’re a real downer!” Now if I am reading your fatalism correctly (as you will probably deny which will solidify my beliefs) you are crying out for help and sound very suicidal. The world will be here for hundreds of years to come so calm down. Get help. If you need support-ask. I will surely get the right people to contact you.

125. Jack
     September 15th, 2008 @ 5:58 pm

     “O’Bama was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review….”

     …but we’re not playing the race card!

     If you had just said he was the President of the Harvard Law Review, I might be more impressed. However, in these days of “affirmative action” (discrimination against Whites and Asians), we have to ask whether he was chosen for the content of his character or the color of his skin.

     Furthermore, he was a Senior Lecturer. How many classes did he teach, anyway? He said, “I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution.” Right. O’Bama supported the DC gun ban as being constitutional.

     In any event, both of those sound like experience relevant to being on the Supreme Court, not President of the United States.

     VOTE CONTENT OF CHARACTER, NOT COLOR OF SKIN

126. poliponeso
     September 15th, 2008 @ 10:56 pm

     Activist,
     Sorry to pop your bubble… The planet/world WILL be here for hundreds, thousands of years, but in better conditions. However BEFORE that happens, something pronounced by the Almighty will have to take place…it will happen sooner than you think:

     “And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.

     But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

127. The Bulletproof Monk
     September 15th, 2008 @ 11:08 pm

     poliponeso…
     Would you stop playing the race card??. Martin Luther King was a Republican, after all.

     http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500

128. Jack
     September 15th, 2008 @ 11:11 pm

     Let me ask you something, Polyp: Is there any place and time you would rather live than here and now? When and where has is ever been better than it is now?

129. Wolverine
     September 16th, 2008 @ 1:46 am

     Poli, mon ami, please go to your local library and ask the librarian to help you find some books on mammals. Take a look at a picture of a wolf and then a picture of a wolverine. The “irregular” source of the word is an entirely human foible. In any case, where I come from it’s beaucoup easier to deal with a wolf than one of those smaller but extremely vicious critters. Ce n’est pas pour rien que les sportifs de l’U-M s’appellent “The Wolverines”!

130. The Bulletproof Monk
     September 16th, 2008 @ 1:49 am

     Even the Bulletproof One thinks again before treading to close to the wolverine den.

131. ACTivist
     September 16th, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

     Polyclad,
     Don’t venture outside in a thunderstorm and be careful how you deal with the almighty (you are talking about Obama, wee?<-that’s english for oui)

132. J.B.
     September 17th, 2008 @ 2:09 pm

     I was in this conversation earlier, and i’ve been reading the rest of what everyone has wrote. The more we keep learning about McCain/Palin the more spaced out they come off. I mean for real, McCain invented the Blackberry now?!? WTF?!?
     It makes me shake my head at the American people can honestly think that the McCain/Palin ticket would be the best idea for OUR country.

     Honestly, Gov Palin herself scares me of what she could do. Think about it, if she can’t answer us now, imagine if an American crisis comes along she would continue to lie or script herself.
     And it’s not the fact that she’s a woman, but the Republicans could have picked a better candidate than her. I mean seriously, you honestly wouldn’t trust your kids around this woman or her Presidential running mate.

     And I keep hearing that Obama is not qualified, I mean you can say that, it’s your opinion, but at least he has the ability to uplift OUR AMERICA INSPIRATIONALY, (this is clearly true) such as JFK, MLK, or what Bobby Kennedy would have done.
     Please don’t be blind Nov. 4th

133. jacob
     September 17th, 2008 @ 2:12 pm

     J.B.,
     Uplift? You want uplifting go to church. Obama is a student of Saul Alinsky. You want someone who thinks raising taxes, and engaging in class warfare is a good thing then pull the lever for the guy. But do it with your eyes open. Go look up Alinksy. Please don’t be blind Nov. 4th

134. dans
     September 17th, 2008 @ 2:46 pm

     JB,

     “And it’s not the fact that she’s a woman”

     It’s because she’s an anti-abortion women. The left knows that Palin can knock down the main pillar of the Democratic platform, abortion..

135. J.B.
     September 17th, 2008 @ 2:56 pm

     I’m not gonna debate too much on this ’cause you should know the facts, but i’ll reply. Obama is going to cut taxes for 95% of working Americans. Jacob, if you are fortunate to be in that other 5%, congratulations, you’ve done well for yourself but i’m sure that you are blinded to the everyday struggles the other 95% Americans have to go through each day.

     And Dan, if your asking my opinion on the issue of abortion, i do believe killing a child is not right, BUT who am i to tell a woman that she can’t. Same with homesexuality, believe me i’m far from gay, but who’s to say that they can’t do something. Then they’ll start saying what Jews or Blacks can and can’t do. (I think that might be too deep for this conversation) but you see my point

136. J.B.
     September 17th, 2008 @ 2:58 pm

     Oh i forgot, and yes, i do want a leader that will inspire myself or my children, you don’t? America needs an icon to look towards, we’ve seen our successes in past history when America did

137. dans
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:11 pm

     JB, actually no, I wasn’t.

     Obama’s hollow, redundant speeches are anything but inspiring.

     The presidency is the icon, not the person.

138. ACTivist
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

     J.B.,
     Instead of substance you want fluff? You are saying wish on a star and feel good while you are waiting for that wish to come true (which never does). If you want uplifting for your children then show them that you aren’t a sheep. You can be scared of someone’s success in politics but feel good about another’s lack of it. Bah for me, will ya?

139. J.B.
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

     Dan, clearly i don’t know you but i would assume if you are not at least inspired nor commending Obama’s efforts for change then you are just as divorced from true America as McCain is, which is unfortunate. I admit that you’re a smart person, i’ve read what you’ve had to say, but please don’t be naive and believe that McCain won’t give us another four years of the same policies.
     For example, McCain is speaking about regulating all these companies, when he has been in years past the most de-regulator in his party. And i know right now that you are thinking of a comeback that focuses on Obama, which is fine, but think about what i just said. I just don’t want more of the same rhetoric that we’ve had in the past, at least be open to that!

140. ACTivist
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:28 pm

     Dan,
     The borg collective is trying to assimilate you-don’t fall for it. I know you are intelligent but you have a weak mind towards sympathy. What do you think the J.B. stands for; JUST BORG!

141. J.B.
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

     so clearly your talking to me, so TALK to me. You obviously don’t even know why you are voting the way you are, i’ve read what you’ve had to say as well, it’s just what you’ve been instilled with that sways your vote, instead of a clear open mind.

     BTW, don’t insult my intelligence again

142. J.B.
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:34 pm

     so clearly your talking to me, Activist so TALK to me. You obviously don’t even know why you are voting the way you are, i’ve read what you’ve had to say as well, it’s just what you’ve been instilled with that sways your vote, instead of a clear open mind.

     BTW, don’t insult my intelligence again

143. dans
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:42 pm

     JB,

     Talking about change, and making an effort for change are two entirely difference concepts.

     Big words are not big deeds..

144. dans
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:45 pm

     ACT, I don’t know anything about multiple personality disorders.

     Everyone walks around the house dressed like mother, right ?

145. J.B.
     September 17th, 2008 @ 3:57 pm

     So Dan, do you believe the counterpart McCain will change America?
     BTW, I love how the Repub’s have stole the Demo’s quote for “Change”

146. dans
     September 17th, 2008 @ 4:44 pm

     JB,

     Every president changes America, that is the paradigm. Do I believe McCain will provide more positive changes than his rival? Yes, their records lead one to this conclusion.

     Change or reform ? Again, two entirely different concepts. Change undefined, is not really change, is it ?

147. ACTivist
     September 18th, 2008 @ 3:35 pm

     J.B.
     “so clearly your talking to me, Activist so TALK to me.”

     I did. Remark #38. You didn’t respond.

     “BTW, don’t insult my intelligence again”

     You did that to yourself when you started trashing Palin and praising Osama-bama. People with blinders that don’t understand issues, character, the economy or world events go blindly to the voting booth and pull a lever for someone that “sounds good or makes them feel good.” Get real. That is EXACTLY what tears this country down. I will always vote substance and what is best for the people (small gov’t)-not lies that can’t come true (big government and entitlements). J.B., it is libs like you that keep stealing the money out of my pocket and destroying my freedoms and quality of life. Sometimes you just have to hold your nose when you pull that lever. GOD will give you eternal life but you have to work for it everyday. Satan will promise you anything now but you will burn in hell for eternity. Want to feel good or do you want to live right? Show me intelligence in your arguement and I will give you that respect regardless if I agree. There is no respect for lip-service!

148. Jack
     September 18th, 2008 @ 4:40 pm

     “Obama is going to cut taxes for 95% of working Americans. Jacob, if you are fortunate to be in that other 5%, congratulations, you’ve done well for yourself but i’m sure that you are blinded to the everyday struggles the other 95% Americans have to go through each day.”

     So, J.B., what do you think the top 5% do with their money, stick it under their mattresses? No, they either spend it or invest it. Either way, it does more for the economy than filtering it through useless government officials who will give it to those who do not produce anything.

149. J.B.
     September 19th, 2008 @ 8:29 am

     Let’s look at the educational background of our two options then:

     Obama:

     · Occidental College – Two years.

     · Columbia University – B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.

     · Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

     Biden:
     · University of Delaware – B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.

     · Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)

     vs

     McCain:

     · United States Naval Academy – Class rank 894 of 899

     Palin:

     · Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester

     · North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study

     · University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism

     · Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester

     · University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in journalism

     Now, . . who would you “hire”?

     - You mean to tell me a Havard scholar is less qualified than a person ranked 894 out of 899 in their class and a person that it took 7 years to get a B.A.?

     Give me a break, you do what want

150. Cathymac
     September 19th, 2008 @ 9:59 am

     JB, Are you serious with this “analysis?” Don’t worry, I am doing what I want, and it is not voting based on an elitist academic ranking. As for Palin’s 7 years, ever heard of working your way through college? Millions of people do it every year, maybe you should get out more.

151. Joe Budzinski
     September 19th, 2008 @ 10:13 am

     Gosh with such an education it’s amazing he is such a narcissistic dope. “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for”?? I guess that tells you something about what higher education has devolved down to. And that’s not even getting into the corruption part and the overall smarmy morals. What a waste. He could certainly learn some things from Sarah Palin.

152. dans
     September 19th, 2008 @ 10:40 am

     JB, not sure how much hiring you have been responsible for, but having done this for several years myself..

     “Now, . . who would you “hire”?”

     experience, every time.

153. J.B.
     September 19th, 2008 @ 10:47 am

     I am aware of people that work their way through college, but typically these people do not run for president/vice president. I just think the Repub’s could have chosen someone that was better qualified.
     And speaking of me getting out more, when dealing with education, i’m around people that can’t even get a chance to go to college or receive a proper education.
     With the issues, McCain/Palin ticket wants to give students vouchers to go to the schools of their choice, which absolutely does not do anything for the child, all it is, is shoveling shit. Also, Palin is against sex education within schools, i believe if her or her daughter would have received this education you would not have an adulterer like she is nor a teenage daughter pregnant. These are the issues that are important for our children’s future.
     If you really believe that these two uneducated, anti-education, anti-abortion, de-regulating candidates are the best fit for our country, then so be it. I’m not hear to sway your vote, only to get you think what you’re voting for.

154. Joe Budzinski
     September 19th, 2008 @ 10:52 am

     I think we have officially struck a nerve with ol’ JB.

155. Jack
     September 19th, 2008 @ 10:53 am

     “I just think the Repub’s could have chosen someone that was better qualified.”

     They did — they nominated someone who is better qualified than O’Bama.

156. Jack
     September 19th, 2008 @ 11:01 am

     It really is amazing that JB, who cannot string a sentence together without getting the cases of the pronouns wrong or screwing up the subject-verb agreement, is only concerned with college degrees and not with experience. I have known some VERY intelligent people that did not even get High School diplomas, and I have known some real morons with doctorates.

     When I graduated from college, those of us that had had co-op jobs all had job offers. None of those who had not been co-op students had any job offers. Our place in class did not matter one bit. We got the degree, which many had not. We were hired for our experience, not our grades.

     Similarly, McCain’s place rank at the Academy is irrelevant. He graduated. That’s the way the military works, too. You graduate, you are an Ensign. Your rank in class does not matter.

157. J.B.
     September 19th, 2008 @ 11:13 am

     Jack, in alot of ways i do agree with you. You do not need a degree to be successful. Does it help absolutely!
     But experience does not gain you access, and in reality McCain’s experience is hurting him. Meaning, his past experiences in which the ways he’s voted is extremely hurting him.
     DE-REGULATOR

158. J.B.
     September 19th, 2008 @ 11:17 am

     I’m confused…take a read

     * If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.
     * If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive.

     * If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.
     * If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.

     * If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
     * If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.

     * If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.
     * If you’re husband is nicknamed ‘First Dude’, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

159. Cathymac
     September 19th, 2008 @ 11:27 am

     JB said: “I am aware of people that work their way through college, but typically these people do not run for president/vice president.”

     Wow JB, let the common masses stay home – why would they dream of becoming President, I mean really WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE? Let’s forget about the content of someone’s character, or their disciplines, or ability to lead, serve the public or succeed. The rubes need to stay home and vote for the elitists.

     Yikes.

160. jacob
     September 19th, 2008 @ 12:08 pm

     J.B.,
     You mean when Obama was with ACORN he found THAT MANY DEAD people to become Democrats!?!
     http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=
     Wow!!! That is brilliant

161. dans
     September 19th, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

     It is becoming crystal clear that JB has never been in a position where she had hiring responsibility. She obviously favors style over substance.

162. dans
     September 19th, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

     “I think we have officially struck a nerve with ol’ JB.”

     Think so, given her prior comment that she works 35 hours a week, plus her emphasis on education over experience, she is part of the education industry.

     I also assume she is saying what her union rep tells her to say..

163. J.B.
     September 19th, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

     I never said i was a female, and still no one can defend the fact of these records being acceptable for You, Me, and America

164. dans
     September 19th, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

     JB, this was an assumption based upon your writing style and content. If I am incorrect, not the first time, and likely not the last.

     Given what you have posted here, I think that which others can defend should most assuredly be your last concern..

165. ACTivist
     September 19th, 2008 @ 2:31 pm

     jb,
     “spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor”

     John Lott went to school with Osama-bama. Read what he has to say about his “professorship”.

     “spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million ”

     Which 4 years in the U.S. senate were those?

     “serving on the Foreign Affairs”

     Really? Isn’t that why he picked Biden’s experience to run on the ticket-because Osama-bama has none?

     “while raising 2 beautiful daughters”

     What about Palin’s children? Are they chop liver in your eyes? Or are you just prejudice AND racist?

     Osama-bama wants to raise every tax immaginable so that we can get a gratis check. Biden espouses that it isn’t patriotic unless those with the most money give to those “middle-class” folks. What is middle-class? 95% of the working people of America will get relief. Only 65% of the people in America work. So 95% of those 65% will get “free” money…from where? And Osama-bama is qualified to be president because he is a CEO of a corporation-BHO Inc. Well, he has taken in 400 million dollars of people’s money and is just about broke (except for the 9 million dollars transfusion from the Hollywood elite). Manages money VERY well.

     You made a statement about intelligence before to me. I would like to correct my response to you. Not only are you ignorant, you are dangerous too. Anti-constitution=anti-American. What does that make you? And since you don’t want to respond to me, please put some red dye #15 in a sink full of water and stick your head in it. That way when your head explodes from my demeaning comments I can have an aerial display of the final moment. Have a nice socialist life.

166. poliponeso
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 8:18 am

     JB,
     Ignore all the empty words/attacks. You’re on the side of reason. Smile.

167. poliponeso
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 10:27 am

     “So well said by
     M.J. Rosenberg – September 22, 2008, 10:00AM

     I’ve been wondering if it is possible for Obama to outsmart expectations and win.

     I am not sure he can.

     The reason is simple. The McCain camp uses Obama’s verbal dexterity and intelligence against him. The whole point of portraying him as “uppity” or “The One” or “the messiah” is to turn his strongest attributes into negatives. This is not unique to Obama. Jews, women, Asians, gays, African-Americans and other “minorities” are often ridiculed for being “articulate” or “smooth” or “good talkers.” In a country that now celebrates mediocrity, the worst sin is to be seen as part of an elite. Hence, the Palin phenomenon. Her mediocrity is her biggest (only) strength.”

     We have four days to help inoculate Obama against this phenomenon. I’m not sure how we do it. I am sure however that the Obama team has a plan. I just hope it understands that Obama really has two things going against him on Friday. One, he is very bright. Two, John McCain clearly isn’t.

168. Cathymac
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 10:38 am

     Poli, Women are not a minority. Further, I seem to recall many people calling Bill Clinton “smooth” and a “good talker” and he was a middle class white guy originally. Where was all the indignation?

169. jack
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 10:56 am

     Polyp — “The One” is hardly articulate when his teleprompter goes out.

170. poliponeso
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 11:22 am

     Someone tell Sarah that Grand Rapids is in Michigan?!!!??? W.I.T.W.???

171. poliponeso
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 11:27 am

     Okay, I must quote Elmer from Seattle:

     “All McCain and Palins speech writers should be fired. Palin made a smashing debut and the advisers were so surprised they hit a home run they keep swinging for the fence. Now their batting average is zero. We all know sequels are never as good as the first movie. Even the hardiest conservatives don’t like stale bread. If she has nothing new to say in the age of instant news she is on the bridge to nowhere.”

172. Jack
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

     Would his last name happen to be Fudd?

173. poliponeso
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 1:10 pm

     Would Jack’s be Ripper?

174. poliponeso
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 1:26 pm

     “McCain’s choice for VP was all about energizing his failing campaign. No thought was given to who would be a SOUND choice to take over as president, should he become disabled or die.

     Country first????”

     J. Mehan, CA

175. Jack
     September 22nd, 2008 @ 2:36 pm

     Yes. Middle name THE.

176. poliponeso
     September 24th, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

     uh, she wore earrings shaped like the state of Alaska. C’mon, folks, is she a first grade teacher or a leader. When Condi is traveling the globe speaking to world leaders she looks professional. She’s not wearing ’statement’ eyeglasses, peep-toed shoes, just got out of bed hair and earring shaped like the US…Sarah looks like a nice lady and is probably real fun at a party, but she doesn’t belong on the political worldwide stage. Let’s give her a rest. Possibly she can go back to Alaska now…work on that pipeline…or whatever it is that she was REALLY up to there…

     Barb Gymer

177. dans
     September 24th, 2008 @ 2:30 pm

     But I bet she knows who was president during the depression..

178. Wolverine
     September 24th, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

     And Abe Lincoln looked like a bean pole with a skinny, craggy face, and, eventually, a scruffy beard. Harry Truman looked like an owl in an ill-fitting suit. William Howard Taft had to find chairs big enough for him to sit in. James Madison was so short he probably wouldn’t have been allowed on most of the rides at Disney World. George Washington had wooden dentures. Franklin Roosevelt couldn’t even walk without two canes and a wheelchair nearby. And poor Sarah Palin should be cast into the outer darkness because she wears Alaska-shaped earrings, “statement” eyeglasses, and “peep-toed” shoes? What would poor Poli ever say about a skinny black guy with oversized ears?

179. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 8:10 am

     Uh… in case you did not notice, the pointers about Sarah where not PHYSICAL attributes. You cross the boundaries of dignity when you start criticizing someone’s physical flaws or characteristics. What she wears, which was being pointed out are HER PRESENTATION CHOICES. Very different. Oh well, she’s taking Cliff Notes on Foreign Affairs 101, so there you have it.

180. Cathymac
     September 25th, 2008 @ 8:53 am

     Poli, You are being catty. I don’t judge people on the way they are dressed, how they wear their hair or what type of earrings they chose. I admit it is fun to poke fun at absurd clothing, etc, but I am not sure “peep-toe shoes” and “statement glasses (whatever the hell that means??)” are something to be bothered about. Get over it. Nothing I see detracts from Palin’s presentation, but if you have a problem with what she is saying, don’t blame it on her shoes and glasses – it’s called stereotyping and is everything the libs stand against, no?

     PS. I hate pantsuits, but Hillary looks better in them than skirts. I am not going to let my hatred of pantsuits obscure my opinion of her, not that my opinion is very positive.

181. dans
     September 25th, 2008 @ 9:12 am

     cmac, polli is a liberal, and as a liberal, style comes before substance.

     BO should get someone to teach him to tie a decent knot in his tie, but this is not the reason I believe he is grossly unqualified for the job.

182. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:21 am

     Style reflects substance; substance reflects style.

183. dans
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:37 am

     I believe many of our great thinkers would disagree with you. Not everyone believes their substance is defined by a Big Brown Bag.

     If you feel so strongly about this you really should get your guy to learn how to properly tie a tie..

184. Cathymac
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:38 am

     Poli, I don’t like your style of writing and I think you are a poopyhead. na-nanny boo boo!

185. dans
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:42 am

     cmac.. hahaha !!! As she says, her style reflects her substance..

186. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:48 am

     Cathmac, how many colleges did you go to?

     On another note, this is SO well said:

     “McCain knows that Petunia Palin can’t hold a candle to Joe Biden, and she’s showing herself to be a bigoted, radical airhead (have you seen her with her witchdoctor pastor?); so they are shielding her from the press and praying they don’t have to put her on the same stage as Biden, minus her cue-cards. It’s Lloyd Benson vs. Dan Quayle all over again. “I know Hillary Clinton; Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine; and you, Maam, are NO Hillary Clinton!”
     LBA7895

187. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:53 am

     Mcbush and Mcpalin need more time to study!

     My friends, your time is up!!!

     No extensions on this assignment, Mr. “i graduated 5th from the bottom of my class” and Ms. “i went to 5 colleges in 6 years”

188. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:54 am

     Obama should debate an empty chair representing McCain should he not show up on Friday. Biden should do the same if Palin backs out.

     As Letterman was saying this whole thing is really “smelly”.

189. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 10:56 am

     You saw that they asked to reschedule the presidential debate for the 2nd, the day of the VP debate? Subtle, very sophisticated strategy there…I am not sure I completely understand Campaign McCain’s maneuvering…just must be them being mavericky mavericks who do stuff… ha hah hahahhh ha

190. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 11:19 am

     How about: Ms. Palin, as a governor, has no responsibilities in DC for crafting bailout legislation. What about moving the VP debate up to this Friday and letting the Obama/McCain debate next Thursday, effectively switching the two debates around? The Obama campaign clearly has no problem with Obama being in Washington all day on Friday and then flying out to Ole Miss; presumably Mr. Biden would agree to do the same.
     phoenix81

191. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 11:27 am

     Mitt must be miffed, Palin’s appalling, Giuliani drooling, Huckabee stuck up a tree. McCain no brain. This is total circus with its sideshow jugglers, whining supporters and third rate populism has to be dragged into the light of day. Playing the public as pawns in a power grab – the same team stabbing each other. Implode GOP – leave the country out of it, withdraw and forfeit the election – that would be the patriotic thing to do!

     Trust McCain/Palin on nothing. We want debates. We want to see who can handle hard times, bad times, good times. Don’t let that Iran pres laugh on us. Well, half the world is already.
     argent1

192. Jack
     September 25th, 2008 @ 11:36 am

     “I know Hillary Clinton; Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine; and you, Maam, are NO Hillary Clinton!”

     Indeed. Palin was elected on her own merits — not as the first lady.

     BTW, the really amusing point of that was it was Bentson that was trying to be Johnson and Dukakis, Kennedy — it was the Boston-Texas ticket all over again.

193. Jack
     September 25th, 2008 @ 11:40 am

     “Mcbush and Mcpalin need more time to study!”

     Right — that’s why McCain asked for 10 town-hall meetings around the country and O’Bama ducked. Actually, Tres. Sec. Paulson asked Sen. Graham to call McCain, because he though McCain could get the Republicans in line with the bailout. Where’s O’Bama, the supposed leader of his party? Out campaigning. “Call me if you need me.”

     Even Bill Clinton said McCain was acting in good faith here.

194. Jack
     September 25th, 2008 @ 11:41 am

     “What about moving the VP debate up to this Friday and letting the Obama/McCain debate next Thursday, effectively switching the two debates around?”

     Did you forget that Biden is also a Senator. (Apparently, O’Bama has forgotten HIS job.)

195. dans
     September 25th, 2008 @ 11:42 am

     “Obama should debate an empty chair representing McCain should he not show up on Friday. Biden should do the same if Palin backs out.”

     Yes they should, if they do, that would give Obama and Biden a 50% chance of winning these debates..

196. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 11:53 am

     Under no circumstance will they allow sarahp to speak openly again, let alone debate. She must be kept under wraps, because she is simply in over her head.

     But in the bizzaro world of the Republicans, she’s the perfect uterus for the job.
     DocJerome

197. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 12:00 pm

     “If a majority of the American people refuse to face the fact that we are in a “monumental financial crisis” one that requires executives who took more than one course in economics and got a better than ‘D’ grades, then we deserve to fail. No one’s future is guaranteed but there are ways to give ourselves the chance to survive and prosper. The election of Sarah Palin isn’t one of them.

     Of course they want to avoid the VP debate. Sarah Palin is under-educated, unqualified and unprepared to debate my 20 year old daughter on international relations or economics… let alone Joe Biden, who possesses decades of experience. If I am wrong and she is somehow qualified, then her handlers must stop keeping her in a box, like Charlie McCarthy, only lifting her out for performances. then slamming the lid shut again. You can put lipstick on a pig but they cannot do a brain-transplant on Sarah Palin in time to make a credible showing of the unscripted intelligence required to understand the problems we face as a nation.
     joeyfoto

198. Cathymac
     September 25th, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

     Poli, Your college question is silly and you are still a poopyhead.

     I want Biden to “beat up” on Palin, I’m sure he’ll say something exciting like:

     “Honey, your a good lookin women and I love Alaska, heck, I helped purchase Alaska with Roosevelt during the Great Depression, but here in the lower 48, well, we don’t like your peep toed shoes and glasses, which makes you not fit for office. But I have one question for you sweetie, aren’t my hairplugs fantastic?”

     Will all the love Bill Clinton is pouring on McCain, I expect him to endorse him by the end of the day. THAT would be as fantastic as Biden’s hairplugs.

199. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 12:14 pm

     By the way you write, e.g., “your” as possessive instead of contraction of “you are”, without mentioning others, it tells it all. (sorry, you might have to look up “e.g.”)
     Ignorance + arrogance is lethal for a person, not to mention a country.

200. Cathymac
     September 25th, 2008 @ 12:24 pm

     Poli, What grown man equates misspelling “you’re” on a blog with ignorance and arrogance, or a college education?

     Are you really 23 and living in your parent’s basement eating cheetos? Is this all because I called you a poopyhead twice?

201. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 12:54 pm

     “This doesn’t smell right,” Letterman said. “This is not the way a tested hero behaves. Somebody’s putting something in his Metamucil.”

202. jack
     September 25th, 2008 @ 1:03 pm

     By the way you write, e.g., “your” as possessive instead of contraction of “you are”, without mentioning others, it tells it all. (sorry, you might have to look up ‘e.g.’)”

     This is from the idiot who in comment #89 said:

     i consider “usually always” poetic license. + love e.e.cummings, as well. are you going to criticize my lack of punctuation, or capitalization, or syntax. go ahead be small. i know “amoeba” was appropriate.

     Polyp cannot even find her shift key. And by the way, polyp, the comma goes INSIDE the quotation marks.

203. jack
     September 25th, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

     Letterman’s just pissed that he got stood up, so he had to pay his writers overtime to cover.

204. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

     ROTFLOL!!!

205. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

     “And for Friday’s debate: Should John McCain fail to show up, treat him like the NFL would the Jets if they stiffed the Bills. Forfeit to the Buffalo squad. Game not played — game over. A big W in the left-hand column.”
     –John Hanchette

206. Wolverine
     September 25th, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

     Poli, you missed the point completely. YOU are the one who injected “looks” into this discussion. I was simply trying to point out that “looks”, under normal circumstances, should be extraneous when it comes to choosing leaders, whether they are physical or a matter of selecting a shoe style. I guess my attempt at sarcasm didn’t click with you. I really do not oppose Obama because he has large ears. Truly I don’t. Come on!! And do you really think I was going negative on Honest Abe because of his physique? If you knew your history, you would be aware that it was the Democrats who did that!

     But then, you are just reflecting a rather unfortunate American trait. As I recall, FDR was never allowed to be photographed in a way which would show to the public his physical disability from his bout with polio. That became an issue even when building the memorial to him in D.C. I had hoped that we had finally gotten beyond that foolishness in our current public debates. But, if we are still to select our leaders based on the standards of Vogue or Gentlemen’s Quarterly, well…shame on us!

207. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 2:24 pm

     McCain had time for a one-on-one interview with Katie Couric yesterday (Wednesday) in New York while the details of the bailout were being hashed out in D.C. That makes his refusal to participate in this Friday’s debate look fishy. The presidency is a highly demanding, exhausting, challenging job–perhaps the hardest job in the world. If he can’t campaign and be a lawmaker at the same time, how can he be commander-in-chief?
     But wait… Palin is qualified.

208. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 2:51 pm

     Seems pretty clear to me that the lack of interviews is not due to the fact that Palin is a woman, but rather that McCain, et al, aren’t confident she will respond the way they want her to. Palin has only been part of McCain’s campaign a couple weeks and probably hasn’t had time to memorize the playbook.

209. dans
     September 25th, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

     Lack of interviews ? Did you leave the planet for a few days ? Gibson, Hannity, Couric ?

210. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 3:30 pm

     That makes me go crazy ROTFL!… now, now, you must be kidding or living in la-la land. Hannity doesn’t count, they call it the GOP interviewer. And Gibson and Couric’s? At both she was stiff and gaffed all over the place, like a person without intelligence to debate…
     the last one saying: “I’ll find them and bring them back to ya.”
     HUH??????…..Nice prospect for Vice President or President. It is so embarrassing for this country, half of the world is also ROTFL.

211. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 3:31 pm

     If you HONESTLY think sarahp is qualified, then you deserve everything that choice will bring.

212. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 3:39 pm

     About the fundraiser in Wyoming:
     Who in their right mind would give money because they’re inspired by this woman?

     “I don’t know…but i’ll try ta find some, and i’ll get back ta ya.”

     Ugh.

213. poliponeso
     September 25th, 2008 @ 3:46 pm

     This sums it up:

     “Who is kidding whom here. Words spoken do not make utterances true. The lie is that the McCain campaign cannot afford (financially or politically) to have Palin speak for herself or the party, or be on her own, because she has nothing intelligent to say. No grasp of the issues. No passing marks for third grade English. No coherent sentences.

     It would be campaign suicide to allow her to leave his side now. Couric’s interview was an easy one that she failed miserably. Maybe they have finally learned that for the next 6 weeks they have to keep her muzzled – or pick a new VP.”

     Ouch.

     S. Goode

214. poliponeso
     September 26th, 2008 @ 8:42 am

     “The woman running for GOP VP is personable but clueless as to national issues and flits about in a kind of giddy way more typical of one who has been designated PTA Mom of the Year. Her interview with Gibson was lacking in substantive responses from her, her playing patty-cake with Hannity on the Fox TV propaganda mill was ludicrous, and finally her interview with Couric exposed Palin as singularly incompetent. The clear prospect of Palin succeeding McBush should he become disabled from performing the functions of his office is frightening.”
     Janus

215. J.B.
     September 26th, 2008 @ 1:37 pm

     Okay, i’m joining back into this conversation. Polyp i’ve liked what you’ve said over the last couple of days. My 2 cents is regarding the Couric interview, I mean seriously Palin is not even a discussion anymore, everyone can see that she’s not as intelligent as everyone believed. And Mccain, where do i start, he makes this big ordeal about going to Washington, and when he does, he is not prepared and if that’s not enough, he doesn’t even say anything. He’s trying to pull every play in the playbook to get into office.

     NOTE TO REPUBILICANS: YOU CANNOT STALL YOUR WAY TO NOVEMBER 4TH, THERE’S NO WHERE TO HIDE!

216. Jack
     September 26th, 2008 @ 2:39 pm

     You’re a bit behind the times, J.B. — McCain is going to the debate: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-debate27-2008sep27,0,137995.story

217. J.B.
     September 26th, 2008 @ 3:09 pm

     i realize he’s going to the debate, he was going all along, just another plot for attention. But we’ll talk monday after his embarrassment tonight, which i’m sure he’ll do something out of left field that will keep us talking about why he shouldn’t be president.

218. Jack
     September 26th, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

     Yeah, like the fact that he saw this economic debacle coming years ago, cosponsored legislation to head it off, and had it shot down by Democrats?

219. The Bulletproof Monk
     September 26th, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

     JB, are you applying for local idiot?
     McCain’s STRONG SUIT is debates, son.
     He could do it in his sleep. But what I find more satisfying is that ‘ol McCain DERAILED a 20% portion to ACORN of a $700 BIL bailout getting anywhere near passage….single handedly (Barney Frank gave him specific props).
     He just etched ANOTHER place in history for “the Maverick”.

220. The Bulletproof Monk
     September 26th, 2008 @ 6:16 pm

     I am truly enjoying the liberals across the country RABIDLY demonstrating their ignorance.
     I made a list of personal aqaintances, so I do not forget in the future who the dumbasses are.

221. dans
     September 26th, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

     “another plot for attention.”

     Actually no. John McCain actions were to move his party along on this. He sent a message to his party that this issue is more important than the campaign. As the party nominee for POTUS, the defacto party leader, this is the message that he sent to get things rolling, and to help ensure we have a bill that doesn’t sell the taxpayers down the river. This is called LEADERSHIP.

     Obama’s response ? Let my party underlings handle the biggest challenge facing the country today.

222. Jack
     September 26th, 2008 @ 7:57 pm

     Uh, dans? O’Bama IS the party underling.

223. The Bulletproof Monk
     September 26th, 2008 @ 9:26 pm

     One gets the picture of young O’bama sitting back with his feet up a table talking on the phone “Yo, call if you need me, dawg.”

     That’s REAL LEADERSHIP right there….

     The thought of Bam Bam’s perception of “leadership” scares ther hell outta me.

224. dans
     September 26th, 2008 @ 11:30 pm

     Jack, yes, I forgot, he is a junior Senator. Does this mean Pelosi wears the pants ?

225. Jack
     September 26th, 2008 @ 11:57 pm

     Wrong chamber, dans, but yes, she is third in line right now.

226. poliponeso
     September 29th, 2008 @ 8:34 am

     From the UK. ‘Cause you know, the world’s watching!

     McCain’s next stunt…

     Well, it’s a new week, and it’s time to start pondering what the McCain campaign’s next stunt might be.

     The Times (UK) offered a good one yesterday: Bristol Palin and what’s-his-name may get married before the election. The article notes that she turns 18 on October 18. Money quotes:

     “It would be fantastic,” said a McCain insider. “You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.”…

     …”What’s the downside?” a source inside the McCain campaign said. “It would be wonderful. I don’t know that there has ever been a pre-election wedding before.”

     Whether this is one crackpot in the campaign just dreaming or something more than that we don’t know. But honestly. We’ve really heard it all now. If this actually happens, it will verify every worst thought any person could have had about John McCain and Sarah Palin and then some. It will be evidence not merely of their cynicism, but truly of some kind of disease in their brains, some form of sociopathy that I think most Americans will see for what it is.

     Back on planet Earth, though, the stunt possibilities are still virtually limitless. It’s just not possible to predict, because to be able to predict, you’d have to be able to think like these people, and no normal human can do that. So we’ll just need to wait.

227. squiddy
     September 29th, 2008 @ 9:00 am

     “Back on planet Earth …”

     Oh, so you’ve been there?

     The problem here is, I can’t tell if you’re just trying to be funny, or are simply weird.

     I’m kinda rooting for ‘weird’, because if you’re trying to be funny, then, I have to say, your sense of humor is just sad – someone really should have told you – it might seem cruel, but in the long run, it’d have saved you from many embarrassing social situations.

     Mental disorders, (speaking of “disease in their brains”), on the other hand, can be come by honestly – shaken baby syndrome, organic brain diseases, exposure to toxic substances.

     So if anyone asks, just say “mental disorder” – at least then we can feel sorry for you.

     You’re welcome.

228. poliponeso
     September 29th, 2008 @ 10:24 am

     “Pandora’s box has been opened and we all see the real Sarah Palin and we are unimpressed. And as much as you’d like to think otherwise, you’re not going to change any thinking person’s opinions with such a laughable defense. Until Sarah Palin started talking, I was really worried about a McCain presidency. Now I’m only casually worried because there are so many people who are led so easily by the conservative propaganda machine.

     I have to say I do love watching the extreme right trying to salvage what they can from this disaster. If Palin’s daughter has a wedding in the next three weeks or so, I wonder how many Americans would vote McCain/Palin just because they like weddings…. Many Americans are dumb enough to do just that. Scary times, my thinking friends.”
     Den Gran

229. dans
     September 29th, 2008 @ 11:03 am

     “Pandora’s box has been opened”

     Yes it has, We have someone named poliponeso with her 60s flashbacks trying to pass herself off as a thinking person.

     Polly want an Omaba ?

230. poliponeso
     September 29th, 2008 @ 11:38 am

     “The very thing that appalls us about Sarah Palin — her discomfort in the realm of reason — is her main selling point. This is so mind-boggling that you have to take a minute to let it in. Take a deep breath. Read that sentence again. Face it: Sarah Palin represents what many people want: a retreat from reason; a regression to childhood.

     Inarticulateness is the weapon of the authoritarian in this way: To speak clearly is to risk being understood and thus disagreed with. To speak clearly is to invite debate. To obfuscate and muddle is to avoid disagreement and debate and force the issue to one of power. The refusal to speak clearly is an invitation for issues to be resolved by power alone: I don’t have to speak clearly because you have no choice in this anyway. I’m going to do what I’m going to do.

     It can also be a trait, I think, of the sensing type who has not developed her weaker side. She has not learned to imagine how profoundly ludicrous it seems to the rest of us that physical proximity would constitute intellectual understanding.

     Why does she get away with exercising her particular magic? Moms exercise power without explanation. We trust them because they are moms. We are children. So we trust them.

     As we become adults, study the law and history and begin to run our own affairs, we become accustomed to sharing power by reasoning with each other.

     Our intellectual disciplines allow us to agree or disagree about realities separate from ourselves. You are a lawyer. You are trained in the law. The law is built of ideas that we can agree about in a general way. We can agree what most laws mean. We can talk about them. One reason you are so appalled by Sarah Palin may be that every time she opens her mouth she repudiates this tradition.

     When a person will not articulate her positions well or clearly, she is asserting a kind of power; it is not possible to predict what she is going to do. She does not allow us to know her. We generally do not let such persons make decisions for us. We do not like to give power to them.”
     C. Tennis

231. Jack
     September 29th, 2008 @ 12:02 pm

     Where are you getting this garbage, polyp? You keep quoting people with no references at all, and some of them are apparently responding to things you have not cited.

232. J.B.
     September 29th, 2008 @ 1:08 pm

     Jack, he may be quoting someone that you don’t know, but it makes perfect sense.
     Gov. Palin is clearly out of league, each interview she does, she shows how much she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. You have experience just because your in between Russia and Canada? Please…save the empty rhetoric for someone that can understand the non sense that’s coming out of your mouth.
     Even her citizens of Alaska don’t trust her, have you seen all the pictures of people that don’t support her in her own state!
     And as for the racist remark in 228, since Obama is Black he has to talk that way….
     America has always been scared of an intelligent positive Black Man

     What about what was actually said

     “I’ll have to find ya sum, and get back to ya”
     -Gov Palin

     What is this King of Hill??!!??

     As for McCain being the Maverick, even leaders from both parties said neither candidate needed to be there. When McCain did go, finally, he didn’t even say anything. What you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time…

     BTW, if this wedding actually happens, it will be an underlying move by the Repubs.

     Here’s a thought 1 – when did he become the fiancé and there is no visible ring?????; 2 – dude is 18yrs old and daughter just turned 17yrs old – meaning she got pregnant at 16yrs old. So why is he not in jail; that’s rape. Because the African American young man downsouth was sent to prison for consensual sex with a young white girl – and they are the same age as Palin’s daughter and “fiancé” ………………

233. poliponeso
     September 29th, 2008 @ 2:15 pm

     “I have to say that McCain’s body language and demeanor throughout the entire debate really painted a very clear picture for me…and lets just say i will NOT be voting for him. Because when it comes down to it, yes, I listen to the arguments and weigh each one’s “plan” for this and “plan” for that but at the end of the day I’ll be voting for the candidate that had the decency to acknowledge his opponent by looking him in the eye.”
     mchmiel8

     The ‘maverick’ has a small mind, small manners, he’s a small person, to not appear dignified, honorable, and acknowledge the presence of a human being. Please. Back to the dungeon! He’s not fit to lead with dignity: he doesn’t have any. ugh!

234. poliponeso
     September 29th, 2008 @ 2:58 pm

     “Sarah Palin scares the beegeesus out of me. She comes off as so completely arrogant, incompetent and willing to say anything to get elected with that trademark (I know something you don’t) smirk. She reminds me of Bush on steroids. Ugh!

     It would be an unmitigated disaster if Sarah was ever forced to fill McCain’s shoes. Since the day he selected her I’ve been questioning his ability to govern. He simply has judgment that has been totally corrupted by personal ambition.”
     M. Mungia

235. Wolverine
     September 29th, 2008 @ 3:21 pm

     Talk about scaring the “beegeesus” out of somebody! Poli’s middle name must be “Vitriol.”
     Now she’ll have to go hunt for the dictionary again!

236. poliponeso
     September 30th, 2008 @ 8:23 am

     The Brilliance of Sarah Palin —
     Astute Observations on the Economy

     “That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, we’re ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh — it’s got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reigning in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.”

     Ugh!!!!

237. Cathymac
     September 30th, 2008 @ 8:44 am

     Poli is a woman? I started ignoring she/he/it’s remarks, if I want to read nonsense I know where to find it.

238. Jack
     September 30th, 2008 @ 9:09 am

     Amen to that, Cathy. No sources, no sense. Just a polyp in my….

239. dans
     September 30th, 2008 @ 9:31 am

     Some of these posts by poli seem out of context and unrelated to any actual discussion. I am wondering if some of this is machine generated.

240. Joe Budzinski
     September 30th, 2008 @ 9:59 am

     The vast majority of it is a waste of time, which I think is the whole idea.

     Cmac is taking the right course.

241. poliponeso
     September 30th, 2008 @ 10:51 am

     “The 1950’s were an aberration in social and economic history, and even then far more married women and mothers worked than Americans realize. Who were the schoolteachers, the nurses, and the secretaries? They weren’t all single women. Our nostalgia for the 50’s is based on false premises.

     Europeans, living cheek by jowl with other countries and cultures and having endured centuries of divisive religious conflicts, know better than we do that confusing religion with politics is a recipe for trouble. They’ve got their problems, no doubt about it, but their countries are more mature than ours is, and they are naturally less impressed by the sort of cartoonish, socio-religious window-dressing in which our politicians feel obliged to engage. Sarah Palin epitomizes our immaturity: someone whose credentials as a mommy and a devout Christian are more important than her education, knowledge, and experience. That’s embarrassing.”
     Eleonora27

242. poliponeso
     September 30th, 2008 @ 10:57 am

     “I think Americans (Republicans exactly) interest for Ms. Pain says a lot about their intelligence. I mean, I know many smart Republicans, but most of the smart Republicans misused their uneducated/ignorant fellows for their political interest. It is most hilarious to watch them on TV, especially Ms.Palin and republican voters during her fund-raising events. Even in developing countries, she will not survive as a politician.”
     Basel20

243. Joe Budzinski
     September 30th, 2008 @ 11:11 am

     She’s copying and pasting comments from the ABC news site. Like I said, waste of time.

     New NVTH rule: If a comment has “poliponeso” at the top, ignore it.

244. poliponeso
     September 30th, 2008 @ 11:20 am

     “As a result of her alarming interviews, doing better than expectations is no longer the bar for Sarah Palin. That ship has long passed. If she uses [good] English in her sentences, she has a good chance of exceeding expectations.

     At this point, the bar is that Sarah Palin must prove to a concerned American public that she is qualified to be a heartbeat from the presidency. Most especially under a 72-year old candidate with serious health issues.

     Sarah Palin must convince the American public that she can actually lead the nation. Not simply do better than expectations. At this point, there are primitive life forms that could do better than her expectations. She must convince Americans that she won’t destroy America.

     This is no simple task beyond even the obvious barriers. The first hurdle is that America is in the midst of its biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression, and people are especially desperate for serious leadership. The greater difficulty, however, is that after eight years of George Bush, Americans now understand what happens when you give the presidency to someone just because you’d like to have a beer with them, and are demanding substance, unwilling to risk the nation again.

     That’s where the bar is.

     Sarah Palin has to convince Americans that she can handle Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, North Korea, a crushing economic crisis, the $482 billion national debt, health care, education, the environment, nuclear proliferation, the housing crisis, global warming, immigration, abortion, the FBI, Armed Forces, CIA, and every single aspect of national security.

     That’s where the bar is.

     Forget even her childish insistence that she is experienced because she can see Russia. Giving her the benefit of the doubt for her deeper explanation that she really knows all about foreign affairs by reading books – she has to tell us what books those are. Americans will want to hear what books she has actually read about Pakistan, Iraq, China, Russia, Iran, Latin America, and Venezuela that have made her an accomplished expert. As she claims.

     That’s where the bar is.

     After fearfully avoiding the danger of all major press interviewers, merely wanting to ask her opinion…she has to convince Americans that she can face down the leaders of Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.

     That’s where the bar is.

     And she set is herself.

     It is a bar that focuses on John McCain. Because he chose her. He put America at risk. It was his craven act that put America Last.

     The bar isn’t to beat low expectations. The bar isn’t to show that Sarah Palin can stand for 90 minutes while continuing to breathe. The bar is for Sarah Palin to convince Americans, who have seen her flounder and are at this point terrified of the consequences, that she can actually be President of the United States.

     That’s where the bar is.”
     –R.J.Ellisberg

245. dans
     September 30th, 2008 @ 11:39 am

     Problem is joe that she posts this drivel, and it pushes meaningful comments off of the contents sidebar at the top right.

246. Cathymac
     September 30th, 2008 @ 11:54 am

     Poli – We can’t hear you! (fingers in ears ) La La La La La……….

247. poliponeso
     September 30th, 2008 @ 12:17 pm

     Ha ha ha. It’s not “me” you’re not hearing. It is other people, i.e., what the rest are saying– It does not surprise me you “don’t hear”–like you haven’t been “hearing” for the past 8 yrs.

248. Joe Budzinski
     September 30th, 2008 @ 12:21 pm

     Please everyone, stop responding to this idiot.

249. Joe Budzinski
     September 30th, 2008 @ 12:24 pm

     Dan, good point, action taken

250. Joe Budzinski
     September 30th, 2008 @ 12:27 pm

     Poli,

     You are spamming our site. We have only banned two people in three years but you are about to become the third if you do it again.

251. mr. whiskers
     September 30th, 2008 @ 1:08 pm

     c-mac just demonstrated the bush and repub response to criticism.

252. poliponeso
     September 30th, 2008 @ 1:36 pm

     You can shut “me” up, but not the truth.
     Best to you all.

253. Jack
     September 30th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm

     The thing is, polyp, it was NOT you. There is a difference between posting YOUR opinion, backed up by short quotes or links to sources, and just copying long tracts of garbage verbatim. The first is encouraged, the second is spam and possible copyright infringement.

254. ACTivist
     September 30th, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

     Haven’t had a chance to get back to speed with all that has happened but I can’t believe the crap I have been reading here. Are these liberals really that stupid and contemptable that they either refuse to believe the facts or they just can’t see the forest for the trees? You see the congress and how well it’s doing. Fortunately the Dems have a stink ticket where the Reps. only have half that. Bush is lame otherwise he would have been pushing for home energy NOW. If this election goes to Alfred E. Newmans muslim half-brother, we will be in such a mess that another country will just come in and buy us out. In the meantime the liberals need to go talk to theirselves in the mirror because the crap they’re dishing out here just isn’t washing. And if they are mad at something, turn that anger inward and walk in front of a bus “and decrease the surplus population!” Ebenezer Scrooge

255. Jack
     September 30th, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

     “Are these liberals really that stupid and contemptible that they either refuse to believe the facts or they just can’t see the forest for the trees?”

     In a word, Yes. That’s WHY they are liberals.

256. ACTivist
     September 30th, 2008 @ 4:10 pm

     Jack,
     I really find it hard to believe that non-mentally handicapped people could really be that stupid. This goes way beyond the limits of the “Twilight Zone”.

257. Jack
     September 30th, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

     “Liberalism is a mental disorder.” -Dr. Michael Savage

258. mr. whiskers
     September 30th, 2008 @ 6:37 pm

     “The [Catholic church] is rotten from the top to the bottom” dr. michael weiner

259. J.B.
     October 1st, 2008 @ 10:05 am

     My question is WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE STILL REFERRING TO MCCAIN/PALIN TICKET AS THE SAVIOR OF AMERICA. WAKE UP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW SHE IS NOT QUALIFIED, SHE CAN’T SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC AND HER OWN STATE DOESN’T WANT HER.

     THE TRUTH IS THAT THE REPUB’S WILL LOSE THIS ONE, BOTH DEMS/REPUBS ARE GOING AGAINST BUSH.

     SHE SHOULD JUST DROP OUT, BUT MCCAIN WON’T LET HER. THE DEBATE SHOULD BE THE FUNNIEST THING ON TV.

     YES SHE BOOSTED THE TICKET, BUT JUST HOW SHE RAISED THE TICKET, AT THE SAME SPEED SHE’S BRINGING IT DOWN!

     AGAIN, THE REPUB’S CANNOT STALL THEIR WAY TO NOV 4TH, SHE HAS NO WHERE TO HIDE ANYMORE, AND THE MORE SHE HIDES, THE MORE AMERICANS CANNOT TRUST HER.

260. J.B.
     October 1st, 2008 @ 10:06 am

     LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE YOU CANNOT BE THIS NAIVE TO THINK SHE IS NOT OUT OF HER LEAGUE!!!

261. Chris Hutcherson
     October 2nd, 2008 @ 12:40 pm

     Now that the Senate has passed the 700 billon bailout has McCains destiny been sealed?

262. J.B.
     October 2nd, 2008 @ 2:49 pm

     NO, HE WASN’T THE ONE RESPONSIBLE. THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE ARE! A PLAN HAD TO BE MADE, NO ONE WON. BUT OBAMA CAME OUT BETTER

263. The Bulletproof Monk
     October 9th, 2008 @ 10:39 pm

     “main fact that the unemployment rate is the worse Americans have seen since the Great Depression”

     OH REALLY?? This is the proof I needed to see. You ARE a 20 something living in your parent’s basement!!!!

     Look kid, I lived thru 1976-1980… and the Unemployment rate was a solid 15%. It is 6% now. You do the math (I haven’t met a democrat yet that has ever mastered basic addition or subtraction)

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