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	<title>Comments on: Illegal Immigration Is John McCain&#8217;s 800 Pound Gorilla</title>
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		<title>By: Marjorie</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/17/illegal-immigration-is-john-mccains-800-pound-gorilla/comment-page-1/#comment-10966</link>
		<dc:creator>Marjorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal immigration will be here after the election.

Hopefully Sarah Palin will help McCain put it in retrospect of how the American people feel about illegal’s for him.

If not than all counties though out the United States need to do what Prince William County has achieved, 

Cancel all support, period.  Force them back to Mexico. Hire Americans once again and rebuild our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal immigration will be here after the election.</p>
<p>Hopefully Sarah Palin will help McCain put it in retrospect of how the American people feel about illegal’s for him.</p>
<p>If not than all counties though out the United States need to do what Prince William County has achieved, </p>
<p>Cancel all support, period.  Force them back to Mexico. Hire Americans once again and rebuild our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVa mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoVa mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally just read and don&#039;t post - but reading Wolverine&#039;s posts really hit me.  I am a 30 something mom - so I cannont relate to his military experience.  (Have a husband and sister that served in the Army though.)  However - the whole ping pong analagy fits me perfectly.  Would love to just run away never to deal with all this political garbage again.....but have 2 kids and want to be aware enough to help make sure there is a USA for them when they are older.  Just really frustrated....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally just read and don&#8217;t post &#8211; but reading Wolverine&#8217;s posts really hit me.  I am a 30 something mom &#8211; so I cannont relate to his military experience.  (Have a husband and sister that served in the Army though.)  However &#8211; the whole ping pong analagy fits me perfectly.  Would love to just run away never to deal with all this political garbage again&#8230;..but have 2 kids and want to be aware enough to help make sure there is a USA for them when they are older.  Just really frustrated&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/17/illegal-immigration-is-john-mccains-800-pound-gorilla/comment-page-1/#comment-10899</link>
		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure does,  me, my family is from Lansing, with kin in Saginaw and Grand Ledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure does,  me, my family is from Lansing, with kin in Saginaw and Grand Ledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolverine</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/17/illegal-immigration-is-john-mccains-800-pound-gorilla/comment-page-1/#comment-10895</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolverine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dans, since I was just a wee lad able to pick up a football, the most despised word in my personal lexicon has been &quot;Buckeye&quot;.  Answer your question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dans, since I was just a wee lad able to pick up a football, the most despised word in my personal lexicon has been &#8220;Buckeye&#8221;.  Answer your question?</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/17/illegal-immigration-is-john-mccains-800-pound-gorilla/comment-page-1/#comment-10889</link>
		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolv, let me add :

&quot;leave this damned place&quot;

Many did, this is why Ashburn grew so fast, Their crime is as bad as if not worse than ours. Your time in boots probably taught you one thing, if you run, your adversary will likely follow. Sometimes, it is best to lock-and-load, and hunker down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolv, let me add :</p>
<p>&#8220;leave this damned place&#8221;</p>
<p>Many did, this is why Ashburn grew so fast, Their crime is as bad as if not worse than ours. Your time in boots probably taught you one thing, if you run, your adversary will likely follow. Sometimes, it is best to lock-and-load, and hunker down.</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
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		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolv,

I believe with the rape case &quot;mum&#039;s the word&quot; at LCSO, for no other reason that if the perp was illegal, and LCSO did not try to find this out when they had him in custody, this opens up LoCo to a massive lawsuit by the Ironwood victim. Based upon this, I believe the county will never go public with his immigration status. If this victim wants to sue the county, I&#039;l be happy to write a check to contribute to a &quot;Law and Order Litigation&quot; fund.

I know the current board&#039;s view about immigration being a federal problem. But, when they stick their heads in the sand, they fail to see one absolute truth :  Our problems in Loudoun are their problems.
This is their job, this is why they were elected. This is what they don&#039;t get.  Show me the case law where immigration is only a federal problem.

I too thought about moving, but I am not going to let this chase me from my home. So I got involved. After 2 years of hard work, my neighborhood is bouncing back.

Government is failing us at all levels, but that which we feel the most is the local level, as like it or not, McCain&#039;s statement &quot;I am divorced from day-to-day affairs&quot; is 100% accurate. Any Washington pol that say&#039;s otherwise is lying through his or her teeth.

Our day to day problems, such as the impact of illegal immigration , lies at the feet of the BOS and LCSO, no one else.  Supervisor McGimsey, from what I heard July 22, is a nut job, she has no clue what&#039;s going on, she is just saying what others on the BOS want her to say. Nobody can lecture we about Simpson and what he&#039;s not doing, I voted for the other guy.

Meant to ask, you a real Wolverine ? Me, I&#039;m from Spartan country..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolv,</p>
<p>I believe with the rape case &#8220;mum&#8217;s the word&#8221; at LCSO, for no other reason that if the perp was illegal, and LCSO did not try to find this out when they had him in custody, this opens up LoCo to a massive lawsuit by the Ironwood victim. Based upon this, I believe the county will never go public with his immigration status. If this victim wants to sue the county, I&#8217;l be happy to write a check to contribute to a &#8220;Law and Order Litigation&#8221; fund.</p>
<p>I know the current board&#8217;s view about immigration being a federal problem. But, when they stick their heads in the sand, they fail to see one absolute truth :  Our problems in Loudoun are their problems.<br />
This is their job, this is why they were elected. This is what they don&#8217;t get.  Show me the case law where immigration is only a federal problem.</p>
<p>I too thought about moving, but I am not going to let this chase me from my home. So I got involved. After 2 years of hard work, my neighborhood is bouncing back.</p>
<p>Government is failing us at all levels, but that which we feel the most is the local level, as like it or not, McCain&#8217;s statement &#8220;I am divorced from day-to-day affairs&#8221; is 100% accurate. Any Washington pol that say&#8217;s otherwise is lying through his or her teeth.</p>
<p>Our day to day problems, such as the impact of illegal immigration , lies at the feet of the BOS and LCSO, no one else.  Supervisor McGimsey, from what I heard July 22, is a nut job, she has no clue what&#8217;s going on, she is just saying what others on the BOS want her to say. Nobody can lecture we about Simpson and what he&#8217;s not doing, I voted for the other guy.</p>
<p>Meant to ask, you a real Wolverine ? Me, I&#8217;m from Spartan country..</p>
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		<title>By: Wolverine</title>
		<link>http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/17/illegal-immigration-is-john-mccains-800-pound-gorilla/comment-page-1/#comment-10883</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolverine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dans, the previous LCBOS voted in a fashion to go after the employers of illegal aliens.  The current LCBOS voted to reverse even that limited policy by a 5-4 margin.  The rationale from Supervisor McGimsey was that the issue of illegal immigration is a Federal problem.  So, given the record of the Feds on this issue, where does that leave the rest of us?  Between the anvil and the blacksmith&#039;s hammer.

Given the current makeup of the LCBOS, I think they may make some effort to tinker around the edges with tall grass cutting, zoning, and the like; but on the basic issue of illegal immigration they will probably leave us high and dry for political reasons.  You may have seen the report on the feeble trial attempts by zoning inspectors to ferret out overcrowding and end the transformation of Sterling Park  into one large, gang-infested flophouse.  What a laugher.  In the old days, if these guys worked for me, I&#039;d have fired their derrieres in a minute for incompetence.  That includes Kirby Bowers.  Like any captain, he should go down with his ship.

I don&#039;t know, Dans.  I&#039;m becoming very bitter about all this. I&#039;m just flailing around here, trying to figure out which way I should go in order to protect my own family.  It&#039;s a real quandry when you feel betrayed at every level of your own government.  My family has been begging me to just up and leave this damned place.  Not yet an option.  I&#039;m from another generation.  The adage that &quot;These Colors Do Not Run&quot; still means something in this house.

The Sheriff&#039;s silence on the rape detainee is a bit deafening.  Doesn&#039;t surprise me one bit.  Once they get their hands on a guy like this, the Sheriff&#039;s Office, like any other police agency, has to tread carefully so the defense attorneys and judges can&#039;t pounce.  I&#039;ll just let it go at that.  They&#039;ll tell us something when they can.  My principal concern now is that he may not really be the prowler everyone has been seeking but just an oversexed freelancer who messed up.

I&#039;m not trying to sway you or Monk or Stone or anyone else on the McCain issue.  Y&#039;all will do as you see fit, and so will I eventually.  I am curious, however, if anyone besides Monk feels that McCain will be open to persuasion or even listening on the illegal immigration issue once he has his hands on power. Well, miracles do happen, but don&#039;t get your hopes up too high.

Over the years I worked with some very good men (and women) in a number of places.  The first thing I told them was: &quot;Control your borders.  Without control of those borders, you don&#039;t have jacks**t.&quot;  Now, isn&#039;t that a crock in America 2008?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dans, the previous LCBOS voted in a fashion to go after the employers of illegal aliens.  The current LCBOS voted to reverse even that limited policy by a 5-4 margin.  The rationale from Supervisor McGimsey was that the issue of illegal immigration is a Federal problem.  So, given the record of the Feds on this issue, where does that leave the rest of us?  Between the anvil and the blacksmith&#8217;s hammer.</p>
<p>Given the current makeup of the LCBOS, I think they may make some effort to tinker around the edges with tall grass cutting, zoning, and the like; but on the basic issue of illegal immigration they will probably leave us high and dry for political reasons.  You may have seen the report on the feeble trial attempts by zoning inspectors to ferret out overcrowding and end the transformation of Sterling Park  into one large, gang-infested flophouse.  What a laugher.  In the old days, if these guys worked for me, I&#8217;d have fired their derrieres in a minute for incompetence.  That includes Kirby Bowers.  Like any captain, he should go down with his ship.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, Dans.  I&#8217;m becoming very bitter about all this. I&#8217;m just flailing around here, trying to figure out which way I should go in order to protect my own family.  It&#8217;s a real quandry when you feel betrayed at every level of your own government.  My family has been begging me to just up and leave this damned place.  Not yet an option.  I&#8217;m from another generation.  The adage that &#8220;These Colors Do Not Run&#8221; still means something in this house.</p>
<p>The Sheriff&#8217;s silence on the rape detainee is a bit deafening.  Doesn&#8217;t surprise me one bit.  Once they get their hands on a guy like this, the Sheriff&#8217;s Office, like any other police agency, has to tread carefully so the defense attorneys and judges can&#8217;t pounce.  I&#8217;ll just let it go at that.  They&#8217;ll tell us something when they can.  My principal concern now is that he may not really be the prowler everyone has been seeking but just an oversexed freelancer who messed up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to sway you or Monk or Stone or anyone else on the McCain issue.  Y&#8217;all will do as you see fit, and so will I eventually.  I am curious, however, if anyone besides Monk feels that McCain will be open to persuasion or even listening on the illegal immigration issue once he has his hands on power. Well, miracles do happen, but don&#8217;t get your hopes up too high.</p>
<p>Over the years I worked with some very good men (and women) in a number of places.  The first thing I told them was: &#8220;Control your borders.  Without control of those borders, you don&#8217;t have jacks**t.&#8221;  Now, isn&#8217;t that a crock in America 2008?!!</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
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		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolverine, Yes, I heard the sirens, and saw the choppers. This was not too far from me as well.

Let me ask you something, how is your vote for president going to change what the Loudoun BOS and Sheriff&#039;s Offices does about addressing this issue, here, and now ?

The Ironwood incident, LCSO had this guy on another beef about a year ago. Did they do an immigration check I wonder ?

Me, I used to keep my little black friend locked up when I was home. Times have changed..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolverine, Yes, I heard the sirens, and saw the choppers. This was not too far from me as well.</p>
<p>Let me ask you something, how is your vote for president going to change what the Loudoun BOS and Sheriff&#8217;s Offices does about addressing this issue, here, and now ?</p>
<p>The Ironwood incident, LCSO had this guy on another beef about a year ago. Did they do an immigration check I wonder ?</p>
<p>Me, I used to keep my little black friend locked up when I was home. Times have changed..</p>
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		<title>By: Wolverine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolverine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Monk, I hear you loud and clear, but this old warhorse is having a very hard time doing what you ask right now.  The ping-pong ball seems to be going over the net even faster than before.

This afternoon I was contemplating the terrorist attack on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen and considering our absolute need for a strong commander-in-chief, something I know more than a little bit about, having dealt for many years with these types of cutthroat killers.  I saw Carter screw us on Iran and Hezbollah.  I saw Clinton strip our counterterrorist services of the most effective tools in their arsenal.  If G.W. Bush has a saving grace, it is that he put those tools back in the hands of some dedicated and very strong people.  And I suspect strongly that Obama would be an unmitigated disaster in this regard.

But tonight, at 9:00 PM, as I sat at this machine, I heard the police sirens going off all over the place. I have since learned that, not more than a block or two from where I sit at this very moment, there was a drive-by shooting on a street corner which sent three to the hospital, one critical.  That&#039;s all I needed, considering that the Ironwood Road  knife assault and attempted rape took place only a block or so in the other direction.

  Please do not call it &quot;petty immigration bitching&quot; if you and your family are not in the actual field of fire.  I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve ever had some crazed bastard ramming the barrel of an automatic weapon in your ear, but I will tell you: that kind of thing focuses you on one issue real quick.  The big difference for me now is that I have a wife and family in these parts and I fear not for myself but for them.

  The fact of the matter is that I trust McCain on many issues, including counterterrorism. I don&#039;t trust him a lick on the illegal immigration thing.  The last time we stymied the amnesty bill, McCain wasn&#039;t listening to us at all.  It was a bunch of other guys who came to our rescue on the floor of Congress.  I see on this particular issue a sort of unbending arrogance in that man and I doubt if he can be persuaded by any of us to reconsider his position...even less so when he is a position of real power.

He could have done some things in the past to soften my view of him, like pushing hard and visibly for the rapid building of the wall on our southern border, which is both an acute counterterrorist issue and an illegal immigration issue.  He did not do this.  Even in this matter he has yet to win my confidence.  My worst fear is that he may be speaking with a forked tongue.

Nevertheless, seeing what I see in the Obama crowd, I, like Jacob, will probably wind up keeping the door open and a clothespin on my nose.  Let me take that back.  In this neighborhood you lock the door, pull the blinds, and hope that the cops or Neighborhood Watch are close by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Monk, I hear you loud and clear, but this old warhorse is having a very hard time doing what you ask right now.  The ping-pong ball seems to be going over the net even faster than before.</p>
<p>This afternoon I was contemplating the terrorist attack on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen and considering our absolute need for a strong commander-in-chief, something I know more than a little bit about, having dealt for many years with these types of cutthroat killers.  I saw Carter screw us on Iran and Hezbollah.  I saw Clinton strip our counterterrorist services of the most effective tools in their arsenal.  If G.W. Bush has a saving grace, it is that he put those tools back in the hands of some dedicated and very strong people.  And I suspect strongly that Obama would be an unmitigated disaster in this regard.</p>
<p>But tonight, at 9:00 PM, as I sat at this machine, I heard the police sirens going off all over the place. I have since learned that, not more than a block or two from where I sit at this very moment, there was a drive-by shooting on a street corner which sent three to the hospital, one critical.  That&#8217;s all I needed, considering that the Ironwood Road  knife assault and attempted rape took place only a block or so in the other direction.</p>
<p>  Please do not call it &#8220;petty immigration bitching&#8221; if you and your family are not in the actual field of fire.  I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever had some crazed bastard ramming the barrel of an automatic weapon in your ear, but I will tell you: that kind of thing focuses you on one issue real quick.  The big difference for me now is that I have a wife and family in these parts and I fear not for myself but for them.</p>
<p>  The fact of the matter is that I trust McCain on many issues, including counterterrorism. I don&#8217;t trust him a lick on the illegal immigration thing.  The last time we stymied the amnesty bill, McCain wasn&#8217;t listening to us at all.  It was a bunch of other guys who came to our rescue on the floor of Congress.  I see on this particular issue a sort of unbending arrogance in that man and I doubt if he can be persuaded by any of us to reconsider his position&#8230;even less so when he is a position of real power.</p>
<p>He could have done some things in the past to soften my view of him, like pushing hard and visibly for the rapid building of the wall on our southern border, which is both an acute counterterrorist issue and an illegal immigration issue.  He did not do this.  Even in this matter he has yet to win my confidence.  My worst fear is that he may be speaking with a forked tongue.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, seeing what I see in the Obama crowd, I, like Jacob, will probably wind up keeping the door open and a clothespin on my nose.  Let me take that back.  In this neighborhood you lock the door, pull the blinds, and hope that the cops or Neighborhood Watch are close by.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bulletproof Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bulletproof Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolverine and Brian.... Listen to Stone. He&#039;s a wise man. Get over yourselves and your one issue. There is SO MUCH MORE AT STAKE than your petty immigration bitching.

We have to band together to get McCain into the position, where he is the more likely President to actually listen to a discussion on your views on immigration. Can you focus, please??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolverine and Brian&#8230;. Listen to Stone. He&#8217;s a wise man. Get over yourselves and your one issue. There is SO MUCH MORE AT STAKE than your petty immigration bitching.</p>
<p>We have to band together to get McCain into the position, where he is the more likely President to actually listen to a discussion on your views on immigration. Can you focus, please??</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Withnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Withnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I see is that neither candidate is ideal. Again, I have to vote against the larger evil. (Though the more I hear of SP, the more I would rather the ticket reversed.) I will vote for Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I see is that neither candidate is ideal. Again, I have to vote against the larger evil. (Though the more I hear of SP, the more I would rather the ticket reversed.) I will vote for Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
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		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true G, when you hear a Dem say fix, they mean &quot;expand&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true G, when you hear a Dem say fix, they mean &#8220;expand&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I see Obama bowing to Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer, in massive increases in H2A ag worker visas.

 Correct you are Dan.

 Obama is bad enough but you always have to ask yourself -with whom will he or she caucus in order to move their agenda forward. Here you have a very bad collection of agendas all looking for someone to glob onto.

 It looks like we will end up with two camps. The McCain camp will be looking for a reformed system, where Obama will be looking an expanded system. Obama sees increased illegal migration as a vehicle to expand his sphere of influence and power base. The entire Democrat leadership sees votes, votes equal power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I see Obama bowing to Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer, in massive increases in H2A ag worker visas.</p>
<p> Correct you are Dan.</p>
<p> Obama is bad enough but you always have to ask yourself -with whom will he or she caucus in order to move their agenda forward. Here you have a very bad collection of agendas all looking for someone to glob onto.</p>
<p> It looks like we will end up with two camps. The McCain camp will be looking for a reformed system, where Obama will be looking an expanded system. Obama sees increased illegal migration as a vehicle to expand his sphere of influence and power base. The entire Democrat leadership sees votes, votes equal power.</p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolverine,
I feel your pain.  Unfortunately Obama has forced me to vote.  I am sickened by the thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolverine,<br />
I feel your pain.  Unfortunately Obama has forced me to vote.  I am sickened by the thought.</p>
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		<title>By: dans</title>
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		<dc:creator>dans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolverine,

I initially had some concerns on McCain and his immigration track record, and his Hispandering. On this issue, there is no difference between McCain and Omaba. McCain should know by now he&#039;s not getting any amnesty through. Obama, being the new kid on the block is more apt to try it again imho.  

From what I have seen here,  when localities roll out the welcome mat for them they come. When they don&#039;t, they don&#039;t. If you contrast Prince William and Loudoun, it is clear that progress is possible in spite of the White House. Our problem in Loudoun is a BOS that wants illegals here to pick Loudoun produce, and to groom Loudoun horses.

An Obama presidency is not going to help us with our immigration problems here, and I am definitely not for throwing the baby out with the bath water.  When you look at other issues, the difference is night and day. Obama&#039;s proposals give me the willies. I also see an Obama presidency giving free rein to Pelosi and Reid, and a sense of validation to their terrible tenures as speaker and majority leader.

Yes, I remember Vietnam, and what transpired, and I am proud to be among those that offered a thankful &quot;Welcome home, Soldier&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolverine,</p>
<p>I initially had some concerns on McCain and his immigration track record, and his Hispandering. On this issue, there is no difference between McCain and Omaba. McCain should know by now he&#8217;s not getting any amnesty through. Obama, being the new kid on the block is more apt to try it again imho.  </p>
<p>From what I have seen here,  when localities roll out the welcome mat for them they come. When they don&#8217;t, they don&#8217;t. If you contrast Prince William and Loudoun, it is clear that progress is possible in spite of the White House. Our problem in Loudoun is a BOS that wants illegals here to pick Loudoun produce, and to groom Loudoun horses.</p>
<p>An Obama presidency is not going to help us with our immigration problems here, and I am definitely not for throwing the baby out with the bath water.  When you look at other issues, the difference is night and day. Obama&#8217;s proposals give me the willies. I also see an Obama presidency giving free rein to Pelosi and Reid, and a sense of validation to their terrible tenures as speaker and majority leader.</p>
<p>Yes, I remember Vietnam, and what transpired, and I am proud to be among those that offered a thankful &#8220;Welcome home, Soldier&#8221;.</p>
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