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]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11586 Joe Budzinski Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:48:00 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11586 Squiddy, you should cross post this over at the Loudoun Community Association forum, there is someone over there who knows about the issue and would probably be very interested in reading this. loudouncommunity.org Squiddy, you should cross post this over at the Loudoun Community Association forum, there is someone over there who knows about the issue and would probably be very interested in reading this.

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]]> By: squiddy http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11584 squiddy Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:34:39 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11584 I hate to tell you, but it's only going to get worse, (that is, the cost of ESL.) My neighborhood is absolutely awash in a "Baby Boomlet" of Hispanic children; just step outside, and all day long, you'll see a veritable parade of women and their 3, 4, or 5 children, all pre-school aged. Most have little or no English, and their children are headed to our schools in the coming years. As for the walk-aways, well, let me relate a story; parts of it are probably wrong, but parts are undoubtedly right. Awhile back, I'm told a townhouse in Sugarland Run was raided, looking for a guy who was, among other things, running a construction site theft ring, ("other things" included a murder in El Salvador.) He apparently eluded the Sheriff's and was never caught. Late that same night, 2 (possibly 3, depending on who's doing the telling), other townhomes in the neighborhood packed up, and fled town, the first person's accomplices in said theft ring. Here's where it gets murky (difficult to verify) -- apparently this ring of thieves had 'purchased' these townhomes with fake names, no money down, the usual, and simply abandoned them (to the banks) when things got hot. I know one of them recently was bought at auction for far less than half of what was owed - guess we know who's ultimately going to pick up *that* bill? It all makes me wonder, how many of these sub-prime loan defaults were loans made to people who don't actually exist (you know what I mean..)? Is anyone naive enough to think the government will make this info easy to find out? If "we're" going to own all these bad loans, by virtue of the bail-out, I sincerely hope we can discover the circumstances of how those loans were made, and abandoned - to whom, by whom, and where's the buyer now? I don't particularly feel the need for "us" to pick up these practically fraudulent loans, and the originators of those loans should bear the weight of their terrible decisions. I hate to tell you, but it’s only going to get worse, (that is, the cost of ESL.) My neighborhood is absolutely awash in a “Baby Boomlet” of Hispanic children; just step outside, and all day long, you’ll see a veritable parade of women and their 3, 4, or 5 children, all pre-school aged. Most have little or no English, and their children are headed to our schools in the coming years.

As for the walk-aways, well, let me relate a story; parts of it are probably wrong, but parts are undoubtedly right. Awhile back, I’m told a townhouse in Sugarland Run was raided, looking for a guy who was, among other things, running a construction site theft ring, (“other things” included a murder in El Salvador.) He apparently eluded the Sheriff’s and was never caught. Late that same night, 2 (possibly 3, depending on who’s doing the telling), other townhomes in the neighborhood packed up, and fled town, the first person’s accomplices in said theft ring. Here’s where it gets murky (difficult to verify) — apparently this ring of thieves had ‘purchased’ these townhomes with fake names, no money down, the usual, and simply abandoned them (to the banks) when things got hot. I know one of them recently was bought at auction for far less than half of what was owed – guess we know who’s ultimately going to pick up *that* bill?

It all makes me wonder, how many of these sub-prime loan defaults were loans made to people who don’t actually exist (you know what I mean..)? Is anyone naive enough to think the government will make this info easy to find out?

If “we’re” going to own all these bad loans, by virtue of the bail-out, I sincerely hope we can discover the circumstances of how those loans were made, and abandoned – to whom, by whom, and where’s the buyer now? I don’t particularly feel the need for “us” to pick up these practically fraudulent loans, and the originators of those loans should bear the weight of their terrible decisions.

]]> By: T. Mullin http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11272 T. Mullin Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:25:25 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11272 Illegal immigration cost California 10.5 billion dollars in 2004, I can't imagine what it is now but check out the budget problems we've been having in California and I will tell you why - school systems, public assistance programs, hospitals and detention system - inundated with millions of illegals and their children. Hit and run drivers, overcrowded schools, hospitals shut down, 25% of prison inmates are illegal. Anyone that thinks an enormous amount of illegals, from whatever country, does not cost anything should think twice. The same thing happening to the financial industry in this country will be happening to California in about 5 or 10 years, probably sooner, as people continue to pour in and will happen in your area eventually as well. We cannot absorb millions of poor people that cannot, and do not learn, to speak English. Remember, too, that all of the children speaking Spanish were not born in Central or South America, they're simply not learning English because they don't need to anymore. I've read that it takes an average of 3 generations for an illegal immigrant family from Central or South America to become fluent in English; absolutely outrageous. My own grandparents were immigrants with a child when they came here, legally. I'm not opposed to immigration, just illegal immigration. If you think it's bad now in your neck woods, the worst is yet to come; just give it time. Illegal immigration cost California 10.5 billion dollars in 2004, I can’t imagine what it is now but check out the budget problems we’ve been having in California and I will tell you why – school systems, public assistance programs, hospitals and detention system – inundated with millions of illegals and their children. Hit and run drivers, overcrowded schools, hospitals shut down, 25% of prison inmates are illegal. Anyone that thinks an enormous amount of illegals, from whatever country, does not cost anything should think twice. The same thing happening to the financial industry in this country will be happening to California in about 5 or 10 years, probably sooner, as people continue to pour in and will happen in your area eventually as well. We cannot absorb millions of poor people that cannot, and do not learn, to speak English. Remember, too, that all of the children speaking Spanish were not born in Central or South America, they’re simply not learning English because they don’t need to anymore. I’ve read that it takes an average of 3 generations for an illegal immigrant family from Central or South America to become fluent in English; absolutely outrageous. My own grandparents were immigrants with a child when they came here, legally. I’m not opposed to immigration, just illegal immigration. If you think it’s bad now in your neck woods, the worst is yet to come; just give it time.

]]> By: G. Stone http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11234 G. Stone Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:31:55 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11234 Anyone who dares to insert some sanity into the budget discussion insisting that school spending in Loudoun County be brought in line with surrounding jurisdictions is often either shouted down or accused of robbing our children of their education. The latter point being asinine.However, that never seems to stop the educrats. In my remarks I made the statement than money( revenue ) makes the world go round. Right now none of these problems we are encountering in Sterling park are going to get better without a real move towards governmental reform, the political will to actually do something in the face of a politically correct minority opposition ( Supervisor Miller, call your office)and a substantial realignment on spending. The will to act must be connected with the resources to make it happen. Our quality of life issues will never get solved with the current distribution of revenue. Anyone who dares to insert some sanity into the budget discussion insisting that school spending in Loudoun County be brought in line with surrounding jurisdictions is often either shouted down or accused of robbing our children of their education. The latter point being asinine.However, that never seems to stop the educrats.

In my remarks I made the statement than money( revenue ) makes the world go round. Right now none of these problems we are encountering in Sterling park are going to get better without a real move towards governmental reform, the political will to actually do something in the face of a politically correct minority opposition ( Supervisor Miller, call your office)and a substantial realignment on spending. The will to act must be connected with the resources to make it happen. Our quality of life issues will never get solved with the current distribution of revenue.

]]> By: Wolverine http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11220 Wolverine Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:49:03 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11220 Yeah, G. Stone, I saw that lady in the audience who was threatening you for daring to exercise your First Amendment rights. It start with a low growl, grew to a muttered warning "not to go there", and then hit a crescendo. I actually wondered whether she might get on her cell phone and call Vladimir Putin to send someone to haul you out of there. You can imagine what mush is being fed into the minds of our poor kids. Yeah, G. Stone, I saw that lady in the audience who was threatening you for daring to exercise your First Amendment rights. It start with a low growl, grew to a muttered warning “not to go there”, and then hit a crescendo. I actually wondered whether she might get on her cell phone and call Vladimir Putin to send someone to haul you out of there. You can imagine what mush is being fed into the minds of our poor kids.

]]> By: G. Stone http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11190 G. Stone Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:39:23 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11190 I did notice that York’s budget discussion came after 50% of the audience had left, and he conveniently avoided certain people for comment because he knew where the discussion would go. I resemble that remark. I did notice that York’s budget discussion came after 50% of the audience had left, and he conveniently avoided certain people for comment because he knew where the discussion would go.

I resemble that remark.

]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11177 Joe Budzinski Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:06:33 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11177 When the budget situation really sinks in for residents of Loudoun - i.e., when they see the change on their mortgage invoice - it is going to hit the fan. It will be very interesting to see the ESL numbers for the proposed FY 2010 budget. When the budget situation really sinks in for residents of Loudoun – i.e., when they see the change on their mortgage invoice – it is going to hit the fan. It will be very interesting to see the ESL numbers for the proposed FY 2010 budget.

]]> By: Cathymac http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-11176 Cathymac Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:59:03 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/illegal-immigration-and-school-expenses-two-components-of-our-current-crisis/#comment-11176 The "Public School Teacher that sang Kumbaya" (who is nameless and shall be referred to as Kumbaya teacher) was very sneaky in her questions, first asking what percentage of the crimes in LoCo were being committed by illegals after an introduction as "someone ignorant of the facts", then played the symapthy card, then pointed out that the numbers were "insignificant." A second Kumbaya woman (Kumbaya #2) spoke after that - quoting Kumbaya Teacher that not only were the number of crimes committed by illegals insignificant, but that offenses like driving without a license were not serious enough to even address. At this point I could'nt take it anymore and I heckled Kumbaya #2 to give up the microphone. She spoke for over 5 minutes on how illegals should not be held to the same standard as legal citizens, after all, they were here to make a better life for themselves, blah, blah, blah. I thought the elderly lady behind me was going to jump up and throttle K#2, her son physically pushed her down in her seat - and she uses a cane! I did notice that York's budget discussion came after 50% of the audience had left, and he conveniently avoided certain people for comment because he knew where the discussion would go. The “Public School Teacher that sang Kumbaya” (who is nameless and shall be referred to as Kumbaya teacher) was very sneaky in her questions, first asking what percentage of the crimes in LoCo were being committed by illegals after an introduction as “someone ignorant of the facts”, then played the symapthy card, then pointed out that the numbers were “insignificant.”

A second Kumbaya woman (Kumbaya #2) spoke after that – quoting Kumbaya Teacher that not only were the number of crimes committed by illegals insignificant, but that offenses like driving without a license were not serious enough to even address. At this point I could’nt take it anymore and I heckled Kumbaya #2 to give up the microphone. She spoke for over 5 minutes on how illegals should not be held to the same standard as legal citizens, after all, they were here to make a better life for themselves, blah, blah, blah. I thought the elderly lady behind me was going to jump up and throttle K#2, her son physically pushed her down in her seat – and she uses a cane!

I did notice that York’s budget discussion came after 50% of the audience had left, and he conveniently avoided certain people for comment because he knew where the discussion would go.

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