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]]> By: sally http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-2/#comment-11371 sally Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:53:06 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11371 Not sure why you want to argue about Rural Economy Lots (which only come into play when someone is subdividing under the new rules--and there is no subdivision here, only the use of an existing lot.) The issue has to do with keeping small numbers of animals --not a business, but 4H animals--on a lot less than 5 acres--which has nothing to do with "rural economy lots." As you know, agricultural uses on lots less than 15 acres are allowed, and has always been allowed. And people have always had animals on lots less than 5 acres. New "interpretation" this year, by Melinda Artman, after a neighbor complained about 3 goats, and a notice of violation issued, and appealed to the BZA. What I am talking about is the extreme over enforcement of zoning in western Loudoun as compared with do nothing zoning enforcement in eastern Loudoun, and the money devoted to the extreme enforcement of our ordinances in western Loudoun. See link for Milari Madison's house plans that the County has been fighting her from building since 2003. Why would the county spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting the construction of ONE home, when it could be hiring sheriffs and enforcing the zoning ordinance for many in eastern Loudoun. See the Madison's house plans, and other approved plans and ask yourself why is our government spending so much to fight this and ask yourself if this is a wise expenditure of funds. /Users/Sally/Desktop/Madison Drawings.doc I am not sure if this link is working but I have Milari's permission to reproduce it, and I think the citizens of this county should see how its leaders are wasting our money fighting ridiculous issues like stopping her from building a very nice home. Not sure why you want to argue about Rural Economy Lots (which only come into play when someone is subdividing under the new rules–and there is no subdivision here, only the use of an existing lot.) The issue has to do with keeping small numbers of animals –not a business, but 4H animals–on a lot less than 5 acres–which has nothing to do with “rural economy lots.” As you know, agricultural uses on lots less than 15 acres are allowed, and has always been allowed. And people have always had animals on lots less than 5 acres. New “interpretation” this year, by Melinda Artman, after a neighbor complained about 3 goats, and a notice of violation issued, and appealed to the BZA.

What I am talking about is the extreme over enforcement of zoning in western Loudoun as compared with do nothing zoning enforcement in eastern Loudoun, and the money devoted to the extreme enforcement of our ordinances in western Loudoun. See link for Milari Madison’s house plans that the County has been fighting her from building since 2003. Why would the county spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting the construction of ONE home, when it could be hiring sheriffs and enforcing the zoning ordinance for many in eastern Loudoun. See the Madison’s house plans, and other approved plans and ask yourself why is our government spending so much to fight this and ask yourself if this is a wise expenditure of funds. /Users/Sally/Desktop/Madison Drawings.doc I am not sure if this link is working but I have Milari’s permission to reproduce it, and I think the citizens of this county should see how its leaders are wasting our money fighting ridiculous issues like stopping her from building a very nice home.

]]> By: The Bulletproof Monk http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-2/#comment-11347 The Bulletproof Monk Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:39:42 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11347 I'd say you need to read what actually passed, Sally. We wanted 15 acre REL if we could not have the original 2003 plan readvertised and reinstated. Clem switched his vote in the last days before the vote occurred, did not back his own Burton-Clem plan, and it instantly became the Tulloch-Staton Plan, complete with 7 acre REL. I’d say you need to read what actually passed, Sally.
We wanted 15 acre REL if we could not have the original 2003 plan readvertised and reinstated. Clem switched his vote in the last days before the vote occurred, did not back his own Burton-Clem plan, and it instantly became the Tulloch-Staton Plan, complete with 7 acre REL.

]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-2/#comment-11340 Joe Budzinski Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:56:43 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11340 HA! You got that right, Laura. HA! You got that right, Laura.

]]> By: Sterling Resident http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-2/#comment-11338 Sterling Resident Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:33:47 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11338 Laura - that would be an improvement over what is there now in some areas! :-) Laura – that would be an improvement over what is there now in some areas! :-)

]]> By: Laura V http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-2/#comment-11337 Laura V Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:11:30 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11337 OK, I have many, many chickens that are pets to my kids (seriously)and also producers of eggs and meat for my family and friends. We also grow corn, tomatoes, peppers, beans, etc. I live on an acre. I am assuming that this new regulation does not apply to folks who have had animals on their less than 5 acres before it was passed. However, if this turns out to be retroactive and zoning shows up at my door I am going to purchase a home in Sterling Park (preferably close to Joe and Linda) and move in with the hubby, kids, dogs, chickens, and perhaps a cousin or two, where I will surely not be bothered by zoning officials. OK, I have many, many chickens that are pets to my kids (seriously)and also producers of eggs and meat for my family and friends. We also grow corn, tomatoes, peppers, beans, etc. I live on an acre. I am assuming that this new regulation does not apply to folks who have had animals on their less than 5 acres before it was passed. However, if this turns out to be retroactive and zoning shows up at my door I am going to purchase a home in Sterling Park (preferably close to Joe and Linda) and move in with the hubby, kids, dogs, chickens, and perhaps a cousin or two, where I will surely not be bothered by zoning officials.

]]> By: sally http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-2/#comment-11334 sally Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:35:09 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11334 Dean, why don't you ask Mr. York about it. Ms. Artman made a determination this year that is being appealed to the BZA, and is also the subject of revising the zoning ordinance. It has NOTHING to to with the rural down zoning which INCREASED the size of the rural economy lots to 15 acres, and as you may recall, Staton and Snow voted against that--it was York, Waters, Burton, Kurtz and Tulloch who adopted the rural down zoning and the 15 acre rural economy lot. This has nothing to do with that, it has to do with interpreting the zoning ordinance to conform to the land use rules, which say you have to have 5 acres to qualify for land use--but they do NOT prohibit someone with 4 acres from having a few chickens, several rabbits and three goats in an agriculturally zoned district. You need to check your facts and stop calling me tone deaf--you don't know what you are talking about. Dean, why don’t you ask Mr. York about it. Ms. Artman made a determination this year that is being appealed to the BZA, and is also the subject of revising the zoning ordinance. It has NOTHING to to with the rural down zoning which INCREASED the size of the rural economy lots to 15 acres, and as you may recall, Staton and Snow voted against that–it was York, Waters, Burton, Kurtz and Tulloch who adopted the rural down zoning and the 15 acre rural economy lot. This has nothing to do with that, it has to do with interpreting the zoning ordinance to conform to the land use rules, which say you have to have 5 acres to qualify for land use–but they do NOT prohibit someone with 4 acres from having a few chickens, several rabbits and three goats in an agriculturally zoned district. You need to check your facts and stop calling me tone deaf–you don’t know what you are talking about.

]]> By: The Bulletproof Monk http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-2/#comment-11331 The Bulletproof Monk Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:53:21 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11331 Sally, as is evidenced by every post you write, you are politically tone-deaf, and you see only what you want to see.....facts be damned. Ms. Artman (or the acting Admin) can only do WHAT THE SUPERVISORS gave them authority to do. And the Gang of Five laid theis squarely on the County administation books. It all rest directly upon Rural Economy Lots that were reduced from 15 acres to 7 acres, and the new regulations introduced in 2006 that did not exist prior to that yearby .....Staton, Tulloch, Snow, Clem and Delgaudio. As much as you're in denial about that, it is fact. Ms. Artman (or the acting Admin over there now) HAS ZERO INPUT as to how they feel about it. They can only execute what they've been instructed to by that Tulloch/Staton Plan. Sally, as is evidenced by every post you write, you are politically tone-deaf, and you see only what you want to see…..facts be damned. Ms. Artman (or the acting Admin) can only do WHAT THE SUPERVISORS gave them authority to do. And the Gang of Five laid theis squarely on the County administation books. It all rest directly upon Rural Economy Lots that were reduced from 15 acres to 7 acres, and the new regulations introduced in 2006 that did not exist prior to that yearby …..Staton, Tulloch, Snow, Clem and Delgaudio. As much as you’re in denial about that, it is fact. Ms. Artman (or the acting Admin over there now) HAS ZERO INPUT as to how they feel about it. They can only execute what they’ve been instructed to by that Tulloch/Staton Plan.

]]> By: Bob Bruhns http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-1/#comment-11328 Bob Bruhns Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:21:01 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11328 In Fairfax County in early 2007, the people rose up about blatant overcrowding, and Chairman Connolly suddenly talked about action and spearhead groups and such, as though he wasn't aware of -anything- until that moment... but then, the people went back to sleep. More recently he made sure nobody talked about the illegal aliens pouring in from Prince William County, because he sure didn't want anybody to notice or acknowledge that. And now he's running for Congress. His motto ought to be "So long, suckers!" The lesson is this: don't let them sell you out, and then move on to higher office. Make them do their jobs. The longer they can drag their feet and do nothing, the worse your situation gets. Make no mistake, what they are doing is deliberate. In Fairfax County in early 2007, the people rose up about blatant overcrowding, and Chairman Connolly suddenly talked about action and spearhead groups and such, as though he wasn’t aware of -anything- until that moment… but then, the people went back to sleep. More recently he made sure nobody talked about the illegal aliens pouring in from Prince William County, because he sure didn’t want anybody to notice or acknowledge that. And now he’s running for Congress. His motto ought to be “So long, suckers!”

The lesson is this: don’t let them sell you out, and then move on to higher office. Make them do their jobs. The longer they can drag their feet and do nothing, the worse your situation gets. Make no mistake, what they are doing is deliberate.

]]> By: Marc http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-1/#comment-11327 Marc Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:11:47 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11327 Ah, it's good to be a PWC resident now. Sorry you all are dealing with the illegals we t\have been encouraging to leave, but hey....path of least resistance and all that jazz, ya know? If enough of you get pissed....truly pissed and start deluging your "elected" officials with calls and emails and show up at these public meetings with YOUR agenda, then pretty soon, the mess will belong to some other county, until our newly elected President grants amnesty, that is and makes espanol the official language of The United Continent of America. Ah, it’s good to be a PWC resident now. Sorry you all are dealing with the illegals we t\have been encouraging to leave, but hey….path of least resistance and all that jazz, ya know?

If enough of you get pissed….truly pissed and start deluging your “elected” officials with calls and emails and show up at these public meetings with YOUR agenda, then pretty soon, the mess will belong to some other county, until our newly elected President grants amnesty, that is and makes espanol the official language of The United Continent of America.

]]> By: sally http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-1/#comment-11326 sally Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:43:38 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11326 You are welcome. I do hope my perspective is helpful.. Many of us in Western Loudoun would like the county to find something worthwhile to do with its time than always focus on us, blowing minor issues into million dollar lawsuits. The down zoning litigation is down to a fight with a handful of landowners over less than 50 extra lots--millions spent on this for something that makes no difference at all--no one will notice the extra fifty lots spread out over the 50,000 acres in the west...The County has spent a lot of staff time re doing all the historic district regulations in the zoning ordinance this year, inventorying every structure--including barns-- in all the districts (the Goose Creek district alone is 10,000 acres, and there are many separate districts) and fighting with landowners about the most petty details. People are fighting to get out of these oppressive districts with seemingly endless administrative control over every little architectural detail or small change. They have plenty of money to litigate with outside attorneys, spending millions, mostly on western loudoun issues, but they have no money to hire more zoning inspectors or sheriffs to help Eastern Loudoun? Just makes no sense to me,, and if there is something I can do to help you all, I certainly will. You are welcome. I do hope my perspective is helpful.. Many of us in Western Loudoun would like the county to find something worthwhile to do with its time than always focus on us, blowing minor issues into million dollar lawsuits. The down zoning litigation is down to a fight with a handful of landowners over less than 50 extra lots–millions spent on this for something that makes no difference at all–no one will notice the extra fifty lots spread out over the 50,000 acres in the west…The County has spent a lot of staff time re doing all the historic district regulations in the zoning ordinance this year, inventorying every structure–including barns– in all the districts (the Goose Creek district alone is 10,000 acres, and there are many separate districts) and fighting with landowners about the most petty details. People are fighting to get out of these oppressive districts with seemingly endless administrative control over every little architectural detail or small change. They have plenty of money to litigate with outside attorneys, spending millions, mostly on western loudoun issues, but they have no money to hire more zoning inspectors or sheriffs to help Eastern Loudoun? Just makes no sense to me,, and if there is something I can do to help you all, I certainly will.

]]> By: Sterling Resident http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-1/#comment-11322 Sterling Resident Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:24:00 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11322 sally - thank you very much for the perspective from western Loudoun. The information that you have posted here has been very enlightening. It looks like our current BoS's policy is not only to encourage illegal immigration into the County, but also to underine the Sheriff's office's effectiveness to push their agenda of creating a county police force (which is more power for the county administration, go figure). sally – thank you very much for the perspective from western Loudoun. The information that you have posted here has been very enlightening. It looks like our current BoS’s policy is not only to encourage illegal immigration into the County, but also to underine the Sheriff’s office’s effectiveness to push their agenda of creating a county police force (which is more power for the county administration, go figure).

]]> By: Sterling Resident http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-1/#comment-11321 Sterling Resident Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:19:58 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11321 Huh. So who wants to apply for the Zoning Administrator position? I could be talked into taking a pay cut... :-) Huh. So who wants to apply for the Zoning Administrator position? I could be talked into taking a pay cut… :-)

]]> By: sally http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-1/#comment-11316 sally Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:20:20 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11316 Melinda Artman left Loudoun County in August. There is no current zoning administrator, and Terry Wharton is acting zoning administrator. Some have speculated that Ms. Artman left because of unequal enforcement of the laws, enforcing some, not enforcing others, and worse, to accomplish political ends. All I am saying is that in the West, we sometimes feel like it is the Peoples Republic, laws are so strictly enforced and even made up to stop certain people. And it is just a mystery why nothing can get done in the East. I think the Sheriff is a professional, and you should talk directly to him, that in big meetings, a few words get twisted in the press, etc. You need to find out how to help him help you, and I doubt he will complain about personnel rules or infighting in a huge forum. Dean, for the last time, it has nothing to do with seven acres. It has to do with FIVE acres, and it is something new that Ms. Artman did just this year. People have always been able to have a few companion animals or to farm for personal consumption on less than five acres in the AR zones, but the rules have changed. Now unless you have more than 5 acres, you are only allowed to mow by right, and cannot farm or have any animals,,, no little plot or corn, no pony, no nothing. Frankly, it is completely overreaching, and the Board is looking at it right now. Ask your friend Scott York. Melinda Artman left Loudoun County in August. There is no current zoning administrator, and Terry Wharton is acting zoning administrator. Some have speculated that Ms. Artman left because of unequal enforcement of the laws, enforcing some, not enforcing others, and worse, to accomplish political ends. All I am saying is that in the West, we sometimes feel like it is the Peoples Republic, laws are so strictly enforced and even made up to stop certain people. And it is just a mystery why nothing can get done in the East. I think the Sheriff is a professional, and you should talk directly to him, that in big meetings, a few words get twisted in the press, etc. You need to find out how to help him help you, and I doubt he will complain about personnel rules or infighting in a huge forum. Dean, for the last time, it has nothing to do with seven acres. It has to do with FIVE acres, and it is something new that Ms. Artman did just this year. People have always been able to have a few companion animals or to farm for personal consumption on less than five acres in the AR zones, but the rules have changed. Now unless you have more than 5 acres, you are only allowed to mow by right, and cannot farm or have any animals,,, no little plot or corn, no pony, no nothing. Frankly, it is completely overreaching, and the Board is looking at it right now. Ask your friend Scott York.

]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/comment-page-1/#comment-11311 Joe Budzinski Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:54:54 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/09/24/sterling-public-meeting-with-sheriff-simpson-and-supervisors/#comment-11311 "It appears that the powers that be in eastern Loudoun County are blatantly anti-enforcement." BINGO. Occam's Razor, guys. The simple, clear interpretation is our local government is facilitating illegal immigration into our community. Starting with that premise, all the facts fall into place. “It appears that the powers that be in eastern Loudoun County are blatantly anti-enforcement.”

BINGO. Occam’s Razor, guys. The simple, clear interpretation is our local government is facilitating illegal immigration into our community. Starting with that premise, all the facts fall into place.

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