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Loosen up, Sarah baby!

September 30th, 2008 by joe

Look, clearly I cannot dispute what any of you are saying about the bad interviews, because they WERE bad; otherwise I would not be proffering advice to change course completely.

But let me insert some objective reality into the discussion before the waltz on Palin’s political grave gets too far along.

Sarah Palin is obviously not the nitwit many of you are making her out to be because she has performed very well in debates and interviews in the past. Her political accomplishments have been, by any measure, impressive.

The question is: Does this new appointment place her out of her league? Has she now been promoted to the level of her incompetence?

Performing poorly in a broadcast interview is like falling off a bike, let me tell you. I’ve been interviewed on things I knew a lot about and came off looking like a complete idiot. (Many of you will object, “but Joe, you ARE a complete idiot.” To which I must say: Agreed, but I came off as a much MORE COMPLETE idiot than I could possibly be). The reason for my poor performance was always related to psychic stress: nerves, fear, forgetfulness.

We see this all the time in our elected officials who are, at least nominally, all human. Remember Bush’s “hard work” debate in 2004? Remember Obama’s “57 states”?

When Palin can’t even say which newspapers she reads, there is definite evidence of such stress. I submit that the stress is directly related to commands that she not stray from the party line about anything, and she had not yet been briefed on the official McCain position on appropriate newspapers.

That exchange is a great symbol (thanks to Zimzo for sending it) of how thoroughly the McCain campaign geniuses have dissolved the savor from the salt of their best asset.

What remains to be seen is which Sarah Palin shows up Thursday night. She is the one who has kept McCain competitive in the race. (By way of example, I would be writing about the presidential campaign 95% less frequently if she was not on the ticket). Barring a major misstep by Barack Obama, Sarah Palin is probably the only factor that will determine whether McCain’s effort gets one final big bump in the polls.

And ironically, her performance will depend on whether she can loosen up.

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53 responses about “Loosen up, Sarah baby!”

  1. BlackOut said:

    You can’t put lipstick on a pig. She is going to bomb in the debate, and every apologist is going to point to how stupid Biden looked. In doing so, the apologists will totally deny that Palin is a nightmare for McCain, the election, the Republican hopes for a Presidential win, and the Country. Seriously, has there ever been a worst executive office candidate? I can’t think of one. She is so out of her league, and I’ve been saying it since they said Sarah, and before they said Palin. It was that obvious.

  2. The Bulletproof Monk said:

    Funny you put “Bomb” and Palin in the same paragraph. She certainly is going to “bomb” the old man. Have you seen footage of her previous debates? Check those out, and then you can worry about Biden’s outlook being a duplicate to that of the good ‘ol boys she chopped up in those bits of footage.
    It will be entertaining….for me, anyway.

  3. Joe Budzinski said:

    I’m looking for the positive message hiding in your comment, BlackOut, but I just can’t seem to find it. For the man who has brought so much continual happiness to my life, I consider this a disappointment - but I suppose we must slog onward.

    And hey, that “lipstick” thing is starting to veer awfully close to hate speech. Watch it, buster.

    Thankfully the time for bluster is almost past. We are counting down the hours.

  4. Kevin said:

    Now, if you’ll just recant your muslim, 1/8th rule, and “thug” posts, we’ll be back to the Joe we all know and love.

  5. Joe Budzinski said:

    A bridge too far, my good friend, that is simply a bridge too far.

  6. BlackOut said:

    So true Joe, so true. I just want it on the record, Palin is Falin and McCain made a horrible choice. It’s going to cost him the election. Believe it or not, I have been a McCain supporter for a very long time. Heck, he was always my type of Republican, he pissed off all those Republicans I couldn’t stand. But this is a sell out, and I am worried about who sold him this idea. McCain lost a lot of respect when he picked Palin, and he’s going to have to live with it. So many other worthy and competent conservatives to pick and he picks “the girl with the red shoes on”. Unbelievable. And there ain’t anything positive about my message.

  7. Linda B said:

    BlackOut came out immediately against Sarah as a bad pick, claiming to dislike her because he felt she would cause McCain to lose the election.

    Then, after her fantabulous campaign speech gave him a nine- or so-point bump, BO mysteriously disappeared. No “atta girl,” no nothing.

    Now that she’s had a few bad interviews, I see he’s back on his message.

    Fact is, BO dislikes Palin because she’s a solid conservative, not because of whether she’s a good candidate or a plus for the ticket.

  8. Leej said:

    I hear Palin is going to be a no show and will get back to us after she hears bidens answers. ;-)

    Perhaps she will read bidens answers in one of those newspapers she can’t remember. ;-)

  9. Joe Budzinski said:

    BlackOut, it is truly exhilarating to communicate across the boundary lines of alternate universes, so thank you for the opportunity.

    McCain was tanking before he chose Palin as his running mate, wasn’t he? I am really asking the question. I guess all I have to go by is my personal anecdote, which reads as follows:

    I was going to completely shut up about the presidential election on the advice of Bulletproof Monk, except for the occasional badgering of Obama. When McCain chose Palin, I decided to get much more involved.

    I think it is without dispute that many others across the country followed a similar pattern. Sarah Palin has energized support for John McCain.

    But here you are telling me there was this unseen groundswell for John McCain that was DERAILED by Sarah Palin? I would love to hear more of that narrative.

  10. The Bulletproof Monk said:

    I see some of the moribund campaigners among us are going to need bigger stomachs if they intend to eat ALL of the crow on Thursday night.

  11. Leej said:

    I hear how Palin has energized support for McCain among the republican base. My question is who were they going to vote for anyway Obama???? Give me a break about Palins non existent magical powers.

  12. Joe Budzinski said:

    No, Lee, it was certainly not the case that these people were going to vote for Obama.

    The basic rule is a politician can get any of three things from supporters: 1) their vote; 2) their money; 3) their time.

    Up until the Palin pick, McCain only had #1 from a large number of conservatives. Palin brought him #2 and #3.

  13. BlackOut said:

    LB, you can think what you want, but you obviously missed my feedback after the so called “fantabulous” campaign speech. I’ll say it again, “she did a nice job on memorization, and she comes off poised when doing so. She will be toast when she is asked to free lance answers of what she believes or is told to believe”. Not what I would call a resounding confidence builder.

    As for “solid conservative”…I bet we agree on this one. My guess, your definition of a SC is a social religious right winger. Am I right? If so, then you’re right I disagree with SP’s social agenda.

    Now if you are trying to say she’s a solid conservative in the vein of good defense, solid fiscal management, small government, and sound leadership, then I will agree on the definition, but we will disagree that Palin is the best choice to forward that mantra.

  14. Linda B said:

    Leej, re: comment 11 …

    Joe and I had that conversation the night Palin was picked. I said I wasn’t sure it was a good pick because I didn’t know if appealing to the base was the smartest move. But Joe pointed out to me, and he’s right, that McCain already skewed toward the center, and look where it got him. His base didn’t like it, and the liberals sure never cut him a break. Sure, the media fawned over him as long as he was a Republican dissident, but once he became the R candidate, even that love disappeared. You’re not going to out-liberal the liberals.

    At least by appealing to the base, they gained some enthusiasm, and therefore $, campaign volunteers, etc. McCain’s campaign was wheezing … this was a risk but probably his best shot.

  15. Jack said:

    “Seriously, has there ever been a worst (sic) executive office candidate?”

    O’Bama comes to mind.

  16. Linda B said:

    BO, Now we’re getting somewhere.

    I happen to disagree with a few of Palin’s socially conservative stands as well, but I totally respect them. And I think she balances McCain nicely on the ticket in that regard.

    Re: the second part of your definition, I think she’s a great choice there. The best? Maybe not … I had a couple of choices I would have liked to have seen before her. But McCain had to look outside the box for his VP if he wanted to lay claim to being the “change” candidate and none of my choices would have fit that bill nearly as well as Sarah.

  17. BlackOut said:

    Joe, I first heard about John McCain in 1981. I was working in VA Beach for Mike Christian. Mike owned a bar/restaurant/marina on Laskin Avenue. I honored the time I was able to work for Mike and he told me many stories of his days in the Hanoi Hilton, to include those spent with John McCain. My first introduction to JM.

    Several life impacting events happened as a result of my time in VA Beach. First was a night that a woman, who I was waiting on, asked to see Mike. I found Mike, and Mike spent about 30 minutes with her; as it turned out she was giving Mike the MIA/POW bracelet that she wore for him, with his name on it, during his captivity. Later that night I approached Mike about it and told him I too had worn a bracelet for a missing hero. He reached down, pulled open his desk draw and opened a shoe box. A shoe box full of MIA/POW bracelets with Mike’s name on it. He told me no matter how many times he gets a bracelet he is still honored by the act of patriotism and support the returned bracelet meant to him.

    On a different night Mike mentioned Admiral McCain, who had died in a plane crash earlier that year. This reference brought on my introduction to JM and how the VC wanted to release JM, and he refused until others held before JM were released first. Mike spoke with great admiration about this event and the friendship he had with JM.

    Years later, through stories heard, and read, and also confirmed from JM’s memoirs I learned Mike Christian was a hero to JM and other HH prisoners. Mike had spent a great deal of time, staining and threading a small American Flag. A flag made from his prison garb. A flag that became famous amongst the prisoners, one that they saluted and honored every morning at their make shift reveille. The VC eventually figured out what Mike was doing, and summarily beat the shit out of him, close to death. Fellow prisoners cared for him and kept him alive. Alive enough so that he eventually weaved another American flag that, again, because I rally cry for American prisoner moral.

    Sorry for the long story, but I truly mean it when I consider John McCain an American hero. It pains me greatly to see him make sacrifices he somehow seems to think he has to make to be President. He’s not the same man. It is Stockdale’esk without the dimensia.

  18. The Bulletproof Monk said:

    I like the fact that McCain is appealing to the moderate Right of Center voter. It’s an area that even Bill Clinton came to in his quest for the office (where do you think he got that whole welfare reform thing from, anyway?)
    And it works. By beating Obama to that mark, and claiming it for himself (with 35-40 years of relative experience to do so), he has nuetralized the “slam shut” election.
    When Palin came on board, the picture brightened. As Joe has pointed out, more volunteers showed up, more money filled the coffers, etc. Elections run on that chit, so it is relevant.

    But what is important in Palin to me, and the millions like me around the country?? She’s the next door neighbor. She’s still the community activist turned pitbull, who handily took on and dispatched the “good ‘ol boy” network in Alaska. She represents the underdog who prevailed.

    She should represent a vivid kindred to Blackout, who is a Loudoun activist, as am I.
    She is everything we are, and then went further to electorally unseat those that she opposed. Neither Blackout, nor I, has made that leap yet.
    We’ve worked in the trenches, but never run for the offices.

    So cut the lady some slack, already. Her appeal is to a broad base of people for a multitude of reasons….the last of which is because she’s far-right.

  19. dans said:

    For any Republicans to vote for Obama would require a level of mass hysteria far, far greater than that already present in Obama’s supporters. Or a lobotomy, take your pick. Socialism is not our thing..

    As Joe points out, Sarah Palin brought new energy to the campaign, which was witnessed when the acceptance speeches at the GOP convention drew a larger viewing audience than those of the Democrat party.

    The continued carping of the Obama camp continues to confirm without a doubt the value of McCains VP pick. I mean come on, you guys spend more time here talking about Sarah Palin than you do Obama. The only name coming from your keyboard is Palin, Palin, and Palin, and you say she was the wrong pick ? Yeah, right..

  20. BlackOut said:

    Linda, we are all in trouble if Palin is the best that can be had for appealing to the base.

    Take the blinders of! Listen to her answer about how she is a good at foreign policy. Listen to her floundering answer about the bail out. Really! McCain needs more than a figure head, he needs a partner with experience that can get us out of the multiple messes we are in. She is a terrible pick for the country. I honestly don’t know who I am going to vote for, but right now I can’t bring myself to put my country into the hands of Palin.

    She either has to get way out in front of this story with more interviews, more exposure, and more PR, or she’ll continue to be the bimbo she seems to be right now.

  21. BlackOut said:

    dan, some of us have a brain, and don’t blindly follow party lines. It makes things relevant, and not rahrah spin lines that we hear on daytime political talk radio. You’d do you’re self good to switch the station to some sports talk radio. The Redskins are kicking ass (oh, that comment is totally directed at Joe :), I love a competent rival)

  22. joe said:

    BlackOut, thanks for sharing that story. Wow.

    I think Monk makes a good point, though: Palin did go up against the party and the oil corporations in Alaska. Doesn’t she fit the bill as the sort of public servant we should see more of?

  23. dans said:

    “I like the fact that McCain is appealing to the moderate voter”

    Monk, yes he is. He is the centrist in this election.

    You can put lipstick on a liberal, but he is still a liberal..

  24. Linda B said:

    From everything I’ve read about her, she’s smart, a quick study and very knowledgeable about domestic issues. Also, a clear thinker and an *independent* thinker, which would sure be refreshing.

    Clearly she has a ways to go re: foreign policy, but I think she can get there. I think a lot of her poor showing in the media interviews was the result of being psyched out by her campaign managers.

  25. BlackOut said:

    Joe and Monk,

    I can agree she is the sort of public servant we should see more of, but come on! This is my point, not as Vice President, not as President.

    Following Monk’s advice, either he or I, only lack 18 months of experience as an Alaskan governor before we’d be ready to lead the country. Now that’s a scary thought. I think not. Maybe Monk is, but definitely not me :)

  26. BlackOut said:

    Linda, be truthful, do you really think Palin has something to bring to the table on domestic issues? Does she have any leading edge ideas on how to get us out of this economic mess we’re in? Is there something I am missing, does a fractured Journalism degree truly qualify someone to have the smarts to get us out of this mess?

    Now, what I would have loved to have seen was McCain’s strong foreign policy acumen matched with another strong economic policy leader. Heck I would have even settled for Romney. Or I would have loved to see Hutchison.

    Missed opportunity. It was a missed opportunity.

  27. zimzo said:

    I thought McCain was going to win the election until this week. I’ve changed my mind for the following reasons: 1) the economy is tanking and everyone finally knows it (although I know Jacob disagrees and thinks everything is just fine) 2) McCain’s boneheaded campaign suspension and failure to get Republicans behind him reinforced suspicions that he is erratic and unable to lead 3) he failed to beat Obama in the debate and came off as angry and unlikeable while Obama held his own and came off as cool and in command of issues that are supposed to be McCain’s strongest suit and 4) Palin has lost credibility not only with independents but even many conservatives such as George Will, Kathleen Parker and David Frum. And this is leading many to question McCain’s decision making, reinforcing the idea that he makes rash, risky, from the gut decisions without thinking of the consequences.

    If McCain had picked a solid, boring running mate, avoided political stunts and kept his irascibility in check he would be winning now. Many voters would not have been willing to take a risk on Obama. Now they are not willing to take a risk on McCain. It was his election to lose and if things keep trending the way they are, he is going to lose it.

    One thing that puzzles me in all this is how conservatives were so easily duped by what was clearly a cynical move on McCain’s part to get their vote. McCain thought he could throw you this bone and still hold on to independent voters and once in office go his own way, working with Democrats and moderate Republicans to pass his agenda, such as comprehensive immigration reform. Did you really believe he was going to let Palin have any say in his administration’s policies and that he wouldn’t muzzle her once he got elected? Are you guys really that easily fooled?

  28. joe said:

    Well here is another angle: I think the ascendancy of Barack Obama demonstrates the electorate are not that concerned about experience.

    Maybe people are saying: Look what the Bush “A Team” did for us. Let’s have someone who shares our basic sensibilities get into the Oval Office, and let them learn on the job. Not such a crazy notion.

  29. BlackOut said:

    Linda #24, if she is such a strong independent thinker, why won’t the McCain camp release the reigns on her and let her prove it. This is not the time for on the job training. She is what she is, let the public judge.

    And that brings us full circle to Joe’s original preamble, let’s see how she does at the debate. That we will, and I am on the record with my bets.

    Joe, thanks for the forum.

  30. dans said:

    Odd comment, 18 months as AK governor is insufficient to be VP, but less than 5 months as a junior Senator is good enough for POTUS.

    Yes, this makes sense… There’s no double standard here folks..

  31. The Bulletproof Monk said:

    dans…I hate to break it to you…but since 1980, that center 30%-35% DECIDES elections. Far Rights and Far Lefts don’t tend to shift.But that center percentage decides elections based on how it splits.
    I’ve lived and breathed elections since 1978, friend…and that is how it gets down.

  32. BlackOut said:

    dans, re-read my comments about talk radio.

  33. The Bulletproof Monk said:

    BlackOut, BlackOut, BlackOut …
    I KNOW you understand the concept of misleading an opponent’s perception of your abilities.

    Do we really have to go there?
    She’s sucking him in for the strike, dude. I do it all the time, except that when I play dumb, I use a southern accent. (people think that a drawl means you’re as dumb as a rock. It greases the tracks enabling me to roll right over them after they’re relatively sure that I can’t possibly best them)

  34. The Bulletproof Monk said:

    Blackout…I’m ready now. I’m waiting to see who Kurtz endorses out here. ;)
    As for the Governor’s position…she’s administrated 156,000 employees and an $11 BIL budget for just under 2 years.
    See how much better that sounds?

  35. joe said:

    Zimzo, those are good observations and good questions. But I think you are wrong about the “solid, boring” running mate that would have had McCain winning by now.

    I think the problem facing the GOP is the voters really do want to see something different, something authentic in their leadership, because the crux of the political dynamic in this country is the supposed leadership is distanced from the people.

    Obviously the war is a big problem for the Republicans - there is something like plurality against or a plurality for it, but in any case a hardened demographic who are definitely going to vote one way or the other just on that issue.

    But as to the remainder of voters, who will determine the election, it’s about the type of change they want to see in the country’s direction. The Dems have that going on with Obama at the top of the ticket. I don’t think McCain-Romney would have accomplished that perception as well as McCain-Palin has.

    Of course we can’t believe Palin’s ideology is somehow going to cancel out McCain’s beliefs on any issue. I don’t even know what Palin thinks about immigration, for instance (”immigration” not being a vital wedge issue in this election, anyway). But Palin presents the possibility of a person we can believe in going to Washington. In whatever limited-power office she might have, it’s refreshing to think someone like Sarah Palin would be in there.

    In my view, that small “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington” morsel is what has motivated people to support the GOP ticket, even if it is at least one degree of separation from actual political power.

  36. dans said:

    Joe, I don’t think you can generalize here. Obama’s ascendancy was not with the general electorate, but limited to his party, those that Blackout describes as “some of us have brains”.

    Why her handlers won’t give her the bit is a very good question.

  37. Loudoun Insider said:

    I still favor McCain-Palin over Obama-Biden, even though I must admit that Palin has been awful lately, and McCain’s “suspension” was an absolutely STUPID move. McCain should fire his campaign honchos now and start being who he is. Same with Palin - I totally agree with Joe’s post - she needs to stop trying to parrot BS talking points and just let it rip. People will respect her for it, and she’ll come across as more of a kindred spirit to most voters.

  38. dans said:

    Blackout, sorry, but I don’t listen to talk radio. Fact is fact regardless of how you spin it.

    Monk, You don’t need to tell me this, and it is more than 30-35%. Obama is Carter, or McGovern, or Dukakis in new shrink wrap. I have heard his line before from the aforementioned, and so have tens of millions just like me..

  39. dans said:

    Monk,

    “She’s sucking him in for the strike, dude.”

    I hope you are right, that this is a Trojan horse..

  40. jack said:

    Monk, you’ve watched too much “Columbo.”

  41. Stay Puft Marshmallow Man said:

    “a lot of people who wont vote for John McCain will vote for Sarah Palin.”

    really? who?

    I heard her sparring partner is a moose!

    seriously, what’s she doing in the damn woods?

    http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/30/palin-debate-prep-at-mccain-ranch/

  42. jack said:

    It’s like baseball — every team wins a third of its games, and loses a third. It’s the third in the middle that distinguished the champs from the chumps.

  43. joe said:

    Probably would have been more accurate to say

    “a lot of people who wont work for John McCain will work for Sarah Palin”

    Thanks for the correction.

  44. Linda B said:

    BlackOut … because they’re being idiots. I’ve been saying that for the past three weeks. Don’t know if you’ve seen some of the previous posts oon this site … if not, go take a look. Joe has posted some vids from pre-VP nomination where she handles herself just fine.

  45. G. Stone said:

    If she is allowed to be herself she will do fine.
    If she is over coached by the political handlers and professional policy wonks in the
    $ 1000 suits she will look foolish.

    My fear is the ” professionals” out of habit will show prep her to the point where she loses her appeal. Her previous debate performances were strong.

    The guys with nice suits and shiny shoes did the same thing to Reagan in his first debate. They policy wonked him to where he lost the debate and looked foolish doing it.

  46. dans said:

    “The guys with nice suits and shiny shoes ”

    G, yes I know, they seem to forget that there is a reason that they themselves are not candidates..

  47. ACTivist said:

    BlackOut,
    “why won’t the McCain camp release the reigns on her and let her prove it.”

    You just answered your own question as to why you think she isn’t a good pick. And as Stoner says later-”stop the coaching!”. The problem is that she came out of the gate well but the McCain’t people want to make sure she doesn’t step on HIS toe with her free-thinking ideas. McCain’t could learn from her. If you want to see (and hear) a fiasco, read about the differences on the campaign trail with what Osama-bama says and his dolt choice Biden says. Now that is truly a joke. And you are worried about Gov. Palin? If you get scared at least she knows how to “mother” you and make you feel better….and you need LOTS of mothering!

  48. G. Stone said:

    If we could just get John Riggins to help Sarah with her debate prep.

  49. Sanity said:

    You mean the John Riggins that can hardly speak? Just record him for about five minutes and then transpose exactly what he says. He hardly ever completes a sentence! He’s funny sometimes, a right-wing crazy most of the time, but a good, articulate debater? You’re crazy.

    Palin is good at rah rah pablum, but to answer a serious question? Here’s an example:

    COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

    PALIN: That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it’s got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

    My NINE year old has a better answer than that! Her only hope in the debate is to answer every question with some version of “McCain is great! Guns are good! Obama sucks!” If she can do that, she’ll come across ok. But one gaffe like that previous answer and she’s toast. She’ll get played like a violin for the next five weeks.

  50. G. Stone said:

    You mean the John Riggins that can hardly speak? Just record him for about five minutes and then transpose exactly what he says. He hardly ever completes a sentence! He’s funny sometimes, a right-wing crazy most of the time, but a good, articulate debater? You’re crazy.

    Sanity- This one went right over your head, or you were born after John Riggins told Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Conner to , Loosen up, Sandy Baby !

    No one on Gods green earth would advocate Riggins as a debate coach. I will your closing remarks as to not render myself dumber for having read it.

  51. Sanity said:

    Sorry for missing the joke, but since you seem to think Palin is qualified to be a VP candidate, then I just figured you were being straight up with the Riggins suggestion!

    I understand your not wanting to read the rest of my post. Don’t want to confuse the issue with facts.

  52. ACTivist said:

    Stone,

    Sanity?’s comment is classic proof of the liberal mindset. He missed my spoof just before that. They believe ANYTHING that is outlandish and just can’t comprehend the truth. Don’t use reason or logic on these people-they just don’t get it. If liberals had a sense of humor, they would be able to understand this joke: Obama!

  53. ACTivist said:

    Sanity?

    Get your 9 year old to write for Biden, will ya? Or is he/she/it already doing that? Ha!

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