USA-Unified Socialism for America
October 15th, 2008 by ACTivist
That’s right. I just keep reading the same assinine statements from the socialist liberals on this site and it makes my brain hurt. I believe that it is pretty useless to try and convince people who are bent in justifying their beliefs that socialism and Obama is what is good for our counrty. They are too lazy to do the research and get the facts to make an intelligent determination or they have no decency, patriotism and are just anti-Constitution. Yes, they ALL fit in one of those two catagories.
Those military personnel that fought for this country and form of government are rolling over in their graves. Those patriots willing to die for this country’s cause, as well as those that did, are shaking their cosmic senses asking “I think we forgot something to prevent this from happening”. We will be citizens of the world. We will be the richest nation in the world and support all those countries that are determined to need our aid (money) until, of course, there is no more to give. Then we can sit back and watch those other nations of the UN come to our support…..right? We will have open borders and allow anyone to come here and send jobs and material to other countries. This is further sharing of the wealth.
I’m not going to give the time of day toward stupidity and we seem to attract alot to this site. I will wait till we incarcerate or the end of term for Kaine’t. Then I will start with baby steps to get a new conservative and Constitutional governor elected in Virginia. Then the Senators. Then the Representatives. Then I start pushing for secession from the USA and revive the original meaning of the Constitution. Too many morons in this country that just don’t have an understanding of the change of events they are initiating. You should try to live in a country that practices your ideology before changing this one. It would be a rude awakening. You liberals are a shame and a disgrace and unpatriotic! If that flusters you into awareness, great. If not, so what! Just whine some more and go about your lies and deceit.
Signed
Jacob Jr. (just how I feel)
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October 15th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
You want to secede from the U.S. but it’s the liberals who are unpatriotic?
It’s tough to be on the losing side of an election. I know. I’ve been there. But if you really love the Constitution as much as you claim you would know that we have something called elections and elections are often between two sides that disagree with each other. One side is not more American or more patriotic than the other side. Those who disagree with you are not evil. At the end you have to accept the will of the people no matter how much you disagree until the next election.
The election hasn’t even taken place yet. Your guy could still win. But if he doesn’t, I hope you love this country enough to respect our system of democracy.
You might want to read this article by Rick Moran of The Right-Wing Nuthouse:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/10/13/if-elected-obama-will-be-our-president/
“IF ELECTED, OBAMA WILL BE MY PRESIDENT
You can talk about “voter fraud” and “stealing elections” all you want but the fact remains that if Obama is certified by the electoral college and the House of Representatives as President of the United States, that ends the discussion in our republic. There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority. The constitution gives the minority certain protections against getting steamrolled by the majority. But it doesn’t give the minority the right to torpedo the legitimacy of the winner.”
October 15th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
ACT :
“secession from the USA and revive the original meaning of the Constitution”
Secession is not the original meaning of the Constitution is it ? Thought it was all about unification. This was already attempted once, and we saw how well that turned out..
“There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority”
Unless of course, the minority are the liberals.
zimzo, do you adhere to this viewpoint, or are you just recommending this to others ?
October 15th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I’ve been adhering to it for eight years. You don’t see me advocating secession or armed rebellion.
Here’s some more advice for ACTivist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oof60kDFqAc
October 15th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
ACT,
When have I ever advocated secession? I have advocted stating home on election day because all the candidates suck, with Obama sucking worst of all. But ol’ McLame not that far behind. I figured it took a Carter to get a Reagan. Now, it looks like we will need a Jindahl(sp?) to clean up the mess.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
zimzo,
“if you really love the Constitution as much as you claim you would know that we have something called elections and elections are often between two sides that disagree with each other. One side is not more American or more patriotic than the other side. Those who disagree with you are not evil.”
Wow zimzo, this borders on wisdom. It is a shame that
“Those who disagree with you are not evil.”
is something I would NEVER accuse you of believing given your rhetoric the past two years i have known you.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
“One side is not more American or more patriotic than the other side.”
When one side’s positions violate the Constitution, then that side (yours, zimzo) IS less American and IS unpatriotic.
“Those who disagree with you are not evil.”
No, but their leaders are.
“I hope you love this country enough to respect our system of democracy.”
Our system is republican, not democratic. Furthermore, it depends on an educated electorate. The left has co-opted the public schools, which is why they fight homeschoolers, school choice, and vouchers.
When those going into Education have below average SAT scores in Critical Reading, Math, and Writing, is it any wonder, first, that they are liberals, and second, that our public education system is in trouble?
October 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
“There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority”
Again, this is NOT a democracy — it is a Constitutional Republic. The majority IS, theoretically anyway, bound by the Constitution.
Now, when those in power ignore the Constitution, pass laws that are clearly unconstitutional, and appoint judges who uphold unconstitutional laws, what options are left for the minority?
October 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Jack,
yeah but I think his heart was in the right place, for once.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
So you are actually saying, Jack, that if you disagree with the results of the election secession, armed insurrection and treason are fine by you. You’re right, that’s not a democracy, that’s a banana republic.
And you wonder why you’re losing…
October 15th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
BTW, using a cubic spline to interpolate, Education majors averaged 41.9th percentile in Critical Reading, 40.2th percentile in Math, and 43.5th percentile in Writing.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
No, zimzo, I did not say that.
I said, “[When] those in power ignore the Constitution, pass laws that are clearly unconstitutional, and appoint judges who uphold unconstitutional laws, what options are left for the minority?”
So, what’s your answer?
October 15th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Oh, and secession does not require armed rebellion, either.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Wait for the next election.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
“I’ve been adhering to it for eight years.”
Glad to hear that you have accepted George Bush as your president for eight years. This is not true of many Democrats.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
“Oh, and secession does not require armed rebellion, either.”
By definition, no it doesn’t. In practice, yes, it does.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
I’ll mostly stop working so hard.
If the objective is to redistribute wealth than I’ll look to shelter my money and reduce my taxable income. Also, considering his approach to education I’ll probably look to home school my kids so I can pass on a love of God, country, and limited government.
Keep in mind free market always win, socialism can hide things temporarily (by over leveraging or crushing the population through taxes -look at the EU countries their banks where leveraged ~ 40/1 as opposed to FDIC 15/1 requirements here) but in the end it’s a hollow promise.
But hey maybe they know something I don’t, and maybe (come Nov) they’ll get a chance to prove me wrong….
Carter worked wonderfully for the left 
October 16th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Jacob,
You never said anything about secession-you wouldn’t abide with that. Yes, I was alluding to staying home since the “fix” is in. The guy that coined the phrase “cheaters never win” was speaking of a moral victory. We all know that cheaters DEFINITELY do win (except at high stakes poker. When you are caught cheating there you are appropriately shot.)
October 16th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Dan,
“Secession is not the original meaning of the Constitution is it ? Thought it was all about unification. This was already attempted once, and we saw how well that turned out..”
Actually it was working out fine. The problem was that the South didn’t have the industry and material to sustain a long term fight. Add to that the populace sufferage and it pretty much spelled doom. The seaport blockades had alot to do with that.
No, the Constitution is about how the government should be run and what is allowed. Secession is a tool againest unconstitutionality and tyranny. The other would be open rebellion. Remember, Washington almost lost the revolution.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Act,
Old farts like us know that “almost” only counts in horseshoes.. There are various historical perspectives on the North/South conflict. One I read recently was that the initial reaction of the North was ok, let them go. This was the peaceful succession part.
This lasted until they remembered that southern ports were tariff free, unlike their New England counterparts. This was a problem, we can’t let them go. This began the armed rebellion part.
The Constitution defines how autonomous states will unify and peacefully coexist, with each other, and a new central government.
But I agree in principle with you act, up until the succession part.
Damn man, you’re starting to sound like Alec Baldwin !
October 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
zimzo,
“One side is not more American or more patriotic than the other side.”
Falsehood. When a capitalist society (America) is being subjected to socialism, the leaders of that ideology and their followers are anything but patriotic.
” At the end you have to accept the will of the people no matter how much you disagree until the next election.”
1. Why?
2. Does that include the will of the dead, underage, felons and illegal people (voters)?
“I hope you love this country enough to respect our system of democracy.”
Only when voting is done fairly which doesn’t include #2 above, intimidation, theft, vandelism, lies, deceit, etc.
“There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority.”
Done fairly and above board is what I can live with and have BEFORE!
October 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Act, this sums up my problem with succession rather nicely..
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. “
October 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Dan,
You bitch-slapped me! And (I was waiting to use this on someone else as Jack used on me) it is SECESSION!
Although the North wanted armed conflict to me THEIR needs, they also didn’t want the slaves freed and moving up north. Talk about hypocrits! That said, is it treason to take states’ rights and disolve ties with the US when that same said US is not adhereing to the articles of the Constitution that individual states had agreed upon. And that took how many years of a process with massive skeptecism about this newly formed CENTRAL government? Alec Baldwin my ass!
Now, would you be willing to overthrow a socialist government (armed insurrection/second revolution) if it overstepped its bounds of the current Constitution? Where is the breaking point for you in re-taking America and upholding its’ sovereignty?
October 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Act, I would not categorize it as bitch-slapped. The north’s concern was also with the political power the 3/5s clause gave the south.
Also, I respectfully submit to your consideration, that were it not for the death of Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson at Chancellorsville, you and I would be living in the CSA.
That’s an interesting question, and I would have to answer that by saying it depends upon several things, most importantly how far the Constitution is overstepped, and the effect of this upon the citizens. When you say a socialist government, do you mean increased taxes, or 10s of millions slaughtered in the street ?
October 16th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Dan,
I mean the subversion of the Constitution without the will of the people or amendment. It doesn’t matter how small the infraction when you take an oath to preserve it in its entirity!