I mean the subversion of the Constitution without the will of the people or amendment. It doesn’t matter how small the infraction when you take an oath to preserve it in its entirity!

Also, I respectfully submit to your consideration, that were it not for the death of Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson at Chancellorsville, you and I would be living in the CSA.

That’s an interesting question, and I would have to answer that by saying it depends upon several things, most importantly how far the Constitution is overstepped, and the effect of this upon the citizens. When you say a socialist government, do you mean increased taxes, or 10s of millions slaughtered in the street ?

Although the North wanted armed conflict to me THEIR needs, they also didn’t want the slaves freed and moving up north. Talk about hypocrits! That said, is it treason to take states’ rights and disolve ties with the US when that same said US is not adhereing to the articles of the Constitution that individual states had agreed upon. And that took how many years of a process with massive skeptecism about this newly formed CENTRAL government? Alec Baldwin my ass!

Now, would you be willing to overthrow a socialist government (armed insurrection/second revolution) if it overstepped its bounds of the current Constitution? Where is the breaking point for you in re-taking America and upholding its’ sovereignty?

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. “

Falsehood. When a capitalist society (America) is being subjected to socialism, the leaders of that ideology and their followers are anything but patriotic.

” At the end you have to accept the will of the people no matter how much you disagree until the next election.”

1. Why?
2. Does that include the will of the dead, underage, felons and illegal people (voters)?

“I hope you love this country enough to respect our system of democracy.”

Only when voting is done fairly which doesn’t include #2 above, intimidation, theft, vandelism, lies, deceit, etc.

“There is no more important aspect of democracy than the minority accepting the will of the majority.”

Done fairly and above board is what I can live with and have BEFORE!

Old farts like us know that “almost” only counts in horseshoes.. There are various historical perspectives on the North/South conflict. One I read recently was that the initial reaction of the North was ok, let them go. This was the peaceful succession part.

This lasted until they remembered that southern ports were tariff free, unlike their New England counterparts. This was a problem, we can’t let them go. This began the armed rebellion part.

The Constitution defines how autonomous states will unify and peacefully coexist, with each other, and a new central government.

But I agree in principle with you act, up until the succession part.

Damn man, you’re starting to sound like Alec Baldwin !

Actually it was working out fine. The problem was that the South didn’t have the industry and material to sustain a long term fight. Add to that the populace sufferage and it pretty much spelled doom. The seaport blockades had alot to do with that.

No, the Constitution is about how the government should be run and what is allowed. Secession is a tool againest unconstitutionality and tyranny. The other would be open rebellion. Remember, Washington almost lost the revolution.

If the objective is to redistribute wealth than I’ll look to shelter my money and reduce my taxable income. Also, considering his approach to education I’ll probably look to home school my kids so I can pass on a love of God, country, and limited government.

Keep in mind free market always win, socialism can hide things temporarily (by over leveraging or crushing the population through taxes -look at the EU countries their banks where leveraged ~ 40/1 as opposed to FDIC 15/1 requirements here) but in the end it’s a hollow promise.

But hey maybe they know something I don’t, and maybe (come Nov) they’ll get a chance to prove me wrong…. Carter worked wonderfully for the left

By definition, no it doesn’t. In practice, yes, it does.

Glad to hear that you have accepted George Bush as your president for eight years. This is not true of many Democrats.

I said, “[When] those in power ignore the Constitution, pass laws that are clearly unconstitutional, and appoint judges who uphold unconstitutional laws, what options are left for the minority?”

So, what’s your answer?