November 22: Gun Show In Chantilly!
November 22nd, 2008 by joe
The election of Barack Obama has done as much to further gun ownership in America as would Chinese troops coming ashore in Long Beach. This is no judgment on the President-elect but a simple statement of fact about consumer behavior. Prices are jacked up and inventories empty all around the Internet, gun shops are having their shelves emptied, and at this weekend’s gun show in Chantilly, Virginia the crowd was much bigger and more diverse than usual.
And by “diverse” I mean gender wise. I’ve been attending for about four years and have never seen such a high percentage of women. Maybe the female segment is usually less than 5 percent of the crowd - this time it had to be over 10 percent when I was there at about 3:00 pm.
Here are a few scenes.
Prices of items I was interested in were, at best, on the high side and the items themselves were far scarcer than usual. (Guess there is probably some economic theory related to that, huh). For example, ammo …
Now I could have bought just about anything I wanted or needed to keep my own operation well stocked, but it would have been like shopping for a Halloween costume at Tiffany’s. Doable, but at a cost.
The cheapest AK I saw was $489 and there was exactly one of them left. After that nothing was under $650; all total I think I only saw about 40 AKs. Normally there are three or four times that many around and prices start around $369. There were a few nice SKSs for under $300 - but still about $95 more than they cost at the last show and very few to be had.
Ditto on pistols; there are a lot, but the tables are far emptier than normal by Saturday afternoon (did not check prices on these). There did seem to be plenty of high capacity magazines available but at a price point that does not fit into my budget at this stage of my career.
The parking lot was WAY fuller than in the past. People were parking almost a mile away in the office parks. As I walked in, I saw more guns and hand trucks loaded with ammo coming out of the building than I have seen before. ACTivist told me that this morning the lines to get in were 100 people deep on each side of the building for much of the morning.
By the time I get there some vendors had already left because they sold completely out. About the only thing I’ve seen sold out in the past has been the hot dog concession.
So, all in all, this pre-Obama period is one hell of a good time to be in the gun or ammo selling business. People think it’s all going to change once he takes office. Personally, I think it won’t, because in light of the enormous, widespread interest in firearm ownership among the American people, any moves to impose restrictions will be political suicide. It would be 1994 all over again and Obama would become the instant enemy of a huge portion of the United States population, which tends to hamper one’s ability to accomplish a lot.
I think it’s a fight he would wait to pick until his second term, which would mean that before long all the stuff that I saw overpriced and sold out today will be available and reasonable.
But if you have no firearms or are low on anything you consider vital, don’t take the above as a reason to put off the purchase until prices come back down. I have been wrong in my predictions before, so I have everything I consider vital.
UPDATE: Here’s last year’s post. Obviously I put a lot more effort into the photography back then. Today I wanted to spend the time actually looking at stuff.
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November 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 pm
One of the things I found amazing a while back, is that one of the people I admire most (in many areas) said that if he had to have just one rifle, it would be a .22 rim-fire. If civilization collapsed, it would be easy to have several thousand rounds of .22 LRHP without a high price tag (550 round boxes are < $20 at Walmart). While not optimal as a hunting rifle, they are certainly capable of killing almost any east coast animal if optimal shot placement is employed (and while it isn’t legal to hunt deer or bear with a .22, if civilization collapsed, you would have bigger fish to fry).
If I were deer hunting, a .30 caliber center-fire would be near perfect, but it would be a little much to have ammunition that costs $16 for 20 in large quantity. But as long as we have civilization, it would be a better hunting rifle.
Home defense is another matter. A shotgun works, and it works well. Short barrel (minimum legal), maximum magazine, 00 buck shot … near ideal. Stopping power of a rifle at close range, yet it doesn’t have the wall penetration risk to others that even a pistol presents. Get hit with a blast from a 12 gauge 00 buck, and you would be blessed to survive.
Pistols, while not the best from a well prepared home defense situation, are wonderful for rapid response and the ability to be able to shoot to live when away from home. Carrying a shotgun with you everywhere is a little cumbersome, so a good concealment weapon should be either a reasonable load revolver or pistol. (Reasonable is 9mm/.38 special as a floor in my book–but if you go for .38, get the .357 magnum.)
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Excellent advice, Brian, thanks for posting it. I have to admit I am not prepared for the end of civilization just yet.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 pm
I have a 357, 30.06, a 410 and I’m looking for a street sweeper.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Wise choice. Brian posted a link to an awesome piece of hardware earlier this year but I can’t seem to find it.
Here’s something in the meantime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMQ981lph0
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 am
I think you were referring to this.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:41 am
While on the subject of guns:
Today is the 45th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy; about ten months after the assassination of Martin Luther King, and two days before Jack Ruby put his gun to the head of Lee Harvey Oswald. Then, of course, down went Robert Kennedy.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 am
Robert F. Kennedy, killed 6 June 1968.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 am
I haven’t been to a gun show in years, but I am really surprised at the cost of an AK.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 am
Got the wrong year for MLK, it was April 1968 not 1963.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 am
Hey Joe. Everyone has to find their niche. I saw the Loudoun blogosphere as lacking a viewpoint that I’ve tried to provide. According to LI, The Operative Word blog is partisan hackery. According to Barbara, its a virtual gum-scraping exercise. Everyone is welcome to their characterizations, but thanks for the link regardless.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 am
My buddies and I arrived at around 9:30AM. The lines were not yet that bad. But, reasonably priced ammo was already gone. Gauging from a conversation with a vendor who had an empty pallet of .223 - there was quite a crow Friday night. Did anyone make it Friday night.
Our main objective was to find reasonably priced good quality high capacity AR magazines and maybe an AR upper to replace one of the current ones I own and have gotten tired off.
My buddies were also mainly looking for accessories to complement current firearms. Though, I would not have hesitated on acquiring a tactical shotgun - if the price was right. That was not the case - the prices where higher than I would have thought. The whole time though - I wondering why there was now local news crew there. Instead they are at the shopping malls doing their depressing stories about the economy in the toilet.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Joe, Sounds like it was a good show, I was unable to attend this year, thanks for the update. I usually spend a good hour drooling over the Perazzi and Krieghoff shotguns, admiring the old world craftsmanship.
Streetsweeper fyi for VA residents…
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.8
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I was disappointed with the selection. Being in the market for an M1a I was surprised to see the polytech’s going for ~$1600!
The Garand was small and while one could find a M1 for under $1000 the specimens were in suspect condition.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Dans,
I’ll take modern metallurgy over old world craftsmanship any day.
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Brian, what choice would you make when you can have both ?
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Interesting to note the BHO’s buddy Bill Ayers actually dedicated his book “Prairie Fire” to (among others) Sirhan Sirhan.
Meanwhile, anyone considered for appointment to a job in BHO’s administration has to answer a series about whether or not they own firearms, are they registered etc.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15835.html
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Ted, Yes it is obvious the President-elect personally hates guns as all our liberal visitors here do. So I am not saying I would be eligible for a position in his administration (of course in VA we don’t have gun registration so I’m doubly screwed on that matter). But I think he is politically astute enough to recognize he needs to pick his fights.
Jacob, it looks like this was one of those shows when it really would have been preferable to get there Friday afternoon and stand in line. I just did not feel like it this year - luckily had no desperate need for anything. I picked up a couple .50 cal ammo cans for 5 bucks each and a few books.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 pm
We need more gun shows, why you ask..protection from the incoming storm.
Here’a a great reason if it is actually correct and announced by our government, that is if they tell the american people:
US seeks 300 billion dlrs from Gulf states: report
Thu Nov 20, 2:29 am ET
KUWAIT CITY (AFP) – The United States has asked four oil-rich Gulf states for close to 300 billion dollars to help it curb the global financial meltdown, Kuwait’s daily Al-Seyassah reported Thursday.
Quoting “highly informed” sources, the daily said Washington has asked Saudi Arabia for 120 billion dollars, the United Arab Emirates for 70 billion dollars, Qatar for 60 billion dollars and was seeking 40 billion dollars from Kuwait.
Al-Seyassah said Washington sought the amount as “financial aid” to face the fallout of the financial crisis and help prevent its economy from sliding into a painful recession.
The daily said the United States plans to use the funds to help the ailing automobile industry , banks and other companies suffering from the global financial turmoil.
The four nations, all members of OPEC, produce together 14 million barrels of oil per day, around half of the cartel’s production and about 17 percent of world supplies.
The four states are estimated to have amassed close to 1.5 trillion dollars in surplus in the past six years due to high oil prices that rocketed above 147 dollars in July before sliding to just above 50 dollars.
The daily also said that the United States has asked Kuwait to forgive its Iraqi debt estimated at around 16 billion dollars.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081120/bs_afp/financeeconomyusgulf_081120072928
Ahhh, Islamic banking and shariah law rolled into one…..who would have thought here in America.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 pm
“But I think he is politically astute enough to recognize he needs to pick his fights.”
I concur Joe. Think he is much too smart to do something stupid in his first term.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:28 am
Lovisa,
Thanks for pointing out that the method of killing off the executives of a country has changed. It used to be poison or a knife (Julius Caesar’s et tu Brute was as he was plunging the knife). Poison used to be a favorite form of assassination — and those the food tasters of old. It does seem that food tasters are mostly unemployed now, though of course it would be a very high risk job for unpopular kings.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:47 am
Dans,
I’d take modern machining and modern metallurgy. Most modern rifles have the bore done so precisely that the gun shoots true to the bore almost perfectly. If the bore is not nearly perfect in the center of the barrel stock then the barrel flexes while the bullet is traversing the bore. It was rare for “old world craftsmanship” to get a barrel that would hit accuracy of an arc minute (about 1 inch at 100 yards).
I can understand the desire to have a well crafted gun; the look/feel finely crafted, a
“painstaking” attention to detail in the workmanship, parts fitting with no more “play” than what is required for proper operation. Yet old world craftsmanship also implies lack of interchangeable parts … the crafting of one gun was done on the parts of that gun, and you could not take 100 rifles, strip them down to their component parts, pile them all in a heap, then select a random set of parts and put together a functioning rifle every time.
If what you mean is the decorative hand work done to a rifle after the gun is functional, I can appreciate it, but I don’t want to sacrifice anything of a modern weapon’s capability to decoration that adds nothing to the ability of hitting the target, or the ability to purchase a replacement part and know it will fit without adjustment.
Engineers’ creed, “form follows function”.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:27 am
I’m glad I was never educated enough to develop an appreciation for really expensive old guns.
November 24th, 2008 at 9:31 am
According to LI, The Operative Word blog is partisan hackery.
They would be correct.
By the way stop screwing up a good gun thread.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Jacob — you were supposed to call me!
November 24th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Joe:
In Picture #1 is that Santa Claus going into the gun show ? If so I need to re-do my Xmas list.
Dear Santa:
please bring me
1. Colt M4 Carbine
2. S&W .50 Revolver
3. H&K .45 acp
November 24th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Dear Santa:
I’ve been a very good boy this year. (Just ask my wife.) Please bring me…
(1) SIG 510-4
(2) HK45C
(3) Tons of ammo for (1) and (2).
Thanks.
-Jack
November 24th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Dear Santa,
Please bring me a suitcase full of diamonds and some gold bars so that when the s**t storm happens over gun rights I can barter on the open market.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
jack,
after my unexpected trip to NY, I forgot!!
November 24th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Cathy — forget the gold and diamonds. Those with the guns will just take them. Stock up on .22lr — they will be the coin of the realm.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Jack, Perhaps you are right, and perhaps I just want diamonds and gold:)
November 24th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Amazing how much can be written about a gun show in Chantilly, isn’t it?
Has anything else caught your interest since Saturday?
The Redskins won in Seattle, for instance - no guns or ammo involved, as far as I know.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Brian,
I would doubt if you could find a Perazzi or Khreighoff that would not meet your comparative accuracy criteria, as there in not much of a market for shotguns selling upwards from 10-20k that are not accurate.
In a rifle, barrel modulation almost always occurs, and yes, it does effect accuracy. Free floating and barrel bedding are techniques to control this, with free floating being more common place in high accuracy rifles.
Regardless of the use, one does not fabricate a custom firearm using a pile of mass produced parts. This is why the MArines have their own armory at Quantico where they hand build USMC sniper rifles and ammunition, using, yes, old world craftsmanship.
When I say old world craftsmanship, I mean careful attention to component and materials selection, precise fit, alignment, and overall fit and finish of the firearm. Fine engraving is also included on high end firearms.
The best example I can cite is the Kentucky long rifle that Joe, ACT, jack, Jacob and myself saw at the range on our recent outing, Beautiful piece, from the craftsmanship in the selection and finishing of the tiger maple stock. to the silver inlay on the barrel and the stock. This was a 5K gun, not built from a pile of mass produced parts.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Oh, I forgot, the WashPost found it worth two pictures on the front page of the returning Santa Claus at Tysons Corner. Now, I would have liked to aim a little pea shooter at him - and the parents who demanded his return. Hear that, parents DEMANDING a certain Santa!
November 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Santa,
I too would like some gold and diamonds, plus :
A Springfield Armory SOCOM Scout
A HK MP-5
To watch over them.
November 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Lovisa, Do you have nothing better to do than bitch about a discussion on a gun show (which you sought out, no less) and then diss Santa and parents both?
November 24th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Lovisa -
“Has anything else caught your interest since Saturday?”
No.
And with that bit of information I think you and I are officially now on the same page. Thank you for making the effort to stand in my moccasins.
November 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Santa knows what I want. From Russia with love. Or, China or Bulgaria would be dandy, even Egypt or Romania - I’m not particlar. It won’t take up much room in the sleigh and it is ever so light you won’t even know it’s there.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Dear Santa:
Given the fact that our President elect may make you an enemy of the state for transporting without permission from the ATF our gifts that go bang , I would like to add the following to my list before you end up in Federal Court.
1.I too want a Springfield Armory SOCOM Scout. If for some reason there is a shortage, give me the one you brought for Dan. From what I have been told, Dan has been very bad this year.
2. Two tons of ammunition in the following:
22lr,9mm,.40S&W, .45 ACP, .223,.308,30-30 win,
12 ga 00 buck 3” mag.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Santa:
I forgot .44 mag
November 24th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Now, now BIG boys and girls! I am making a list and checking it twice, so be nice not naughty. Tsk, tsk - Lovisa for being such a humbug!
If you want Santa to leave you ammunition under the tree, you need to leave one unopened, cold Guinness (can preferably) for me to enjoy after my deliveries. A 4-pack may get you something bigger.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
For those of you expecting any firearms that could be used to Hunt Deer, you can kiss our collective Asses!
November 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Dear Santa,
I have been a bad boy, again. Considering that all moral rules are just the narrow minded bourgeois imposing their bigotry upon the poor and down trodden I am sure you just turn a blind eye to it.
Now for what I want …
1. M1a .308 standard w/Walnut Stock or Black Synthetic
2. 1911A1|GI OD Green w/GI Package 5″ Barrel
3. boatloads of ammo for both
4. more for 12 gauge shotgun and .30-06 rifle
5. a dump truck load of 22 long for the 22’s, go blast some paper
5. A Winchester Lever Action in the 30-30 caliber just because, maybe a 45 cal lever action with the octagonal barrel.
A lifetime subscription to:
- American Rifleman (Oooops, got that already)
- Guns and Ammo
- Deer Hunter
- Gun Tests
- Shooting
While I am at it, I want a Barret 50Cal or a 20mm, take your pick Santa.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Dancer,
How would you like to come over for dinner?!
November 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Dancer et al,
Don’t fret your furry little heads. I will only use any firearms you leave to hunt bear, puma, or any other wild critter that would mean you harm.
I would never tell you to stick your head up your a** as G would, so please remember this when you deliver that shiny new SOCOM. Besides, his list has many more items than mine anyway.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
#35 Cathymac
The answer is “no”. It’s a dull day and, just see, how much got written about Santa and deer and presents, and all those Christmas subjects.
November 24th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
NoVisa,
Jack Ruby shot Oswald in the abdomen-not the head. You are thinking of that little VC kid that the police chief of Saigon shot. That’s okay. I understand.
November 24th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Jacob,
You went to the show and didn’t stop by my table? If you didn’t go on saturday then all’s forgotten. If you DID then you can kiss the NM M1A that I am working on getting you goodbye!
November 24th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Joe,
I thought I told you to never take my picture and here you got me in mama’s arms while she is getting me aroused! You really are a piece of work, ya know?
November 24th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
To All You “Wishers”,
GET A GRIP! There ain’t no Santa (excepten when she wants to be naughty
). Because you keep wishing and writing letters to the North Pole (which go into the dead letter drop) instead of doing what I have been doing all my life-which is buying guns and ammo when I have the money (yes, Honey. That IS my whole paycheck!) I can meet armegeddon head on while you guys are waiting for a special occasion to arrive. Weren’t any of you boyscouts or girlscouts (I espescially like their cookies)?
Dear Santa,
You’re just a fat guy in a red suit that I see in the mall or bar around Christmas time. If you really are Santa I would like my own Caribbean country (without the locals) and I want the caves filled with ammunition and rum for me and my women to enjoy.
P.S. Don’t eat the brownies till you get home and share them with the Mrs.
ACT
November 24th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Yeah, ACTivist, and, if I recall correctly, that “little VC kid” was part of a guerrilla team had just killed the cop’s family.
November 24th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Wolverine, I never knew that about that picture.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Wolverine,
You recall correctly. That picture alone did more to turn heads toward ending the war then anything else (except the burning Buddists). I call it just rewards myself.
November 25th, 2008 at 1:22 am
If anybody so much as HINTS at shooting one of Santa’s reindeer again we will see how tough you jaw flappers really are. Remember, Bumbles bounce, and I will bounce my size 97 foot off yo’ cracker ass until you can’t hold a slingshot. Now enough with the gun talk and go to bed.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Wolverine
Where did you get the information about “that little VC kid”?
ACTivist
The burning Buddhist, yes that, AND the little girl running down the road covered in flames from burning napalm.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:37 am
“Ahhh, Islamic banking and shariah law rolled into one…..who would have thought here in America.”
And judging by the street celebration one sees in the Middle East periodically, gun control is not an issue in the region.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:46 am
“For those of you expecting any firearms that could be used to Hunt Deer, you can kiss our collective Asses!”
Don’t worry reindeer, these guys have no interest in killing beasts with FOUR legs. Tell Santa to “Ho! Ho! Ho!” real loud as there are plenty of loaded .357s on bed side tables. And watch out for the local slasher - he could be ANYWHERE….
November 25th, 2008 at 10:16 am
ACT,
I walked the whole place and did not see you. Nor did I know you where there.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
“Don’t worry reindeer, these guys have no interest in killing beasts with FOUR legs.”
Oh yes I do, my Cracker Ass will be hunting for Prancers Virginia Cousins tomorrow and Friday. These days will be all about venison sausage. If my Cracker Ass is successful, maybe I can have some bambi jerky ready for distribution at the
NVTH Festivus for the Restivus!
November 25th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
“shooting one of Santa’s reindeer”
Shooting domesticated animals is a major no-no, as it is destruction of private property. Caribou, on the other hand, is mighty tasty..
G, where you going hunting ?
November 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Lovisa, I was in that war. Got sent home in a medevac plane about 4 months before the photo was taken. My stay in the military hospital really brought home to me for the first time the growing anti-war thing in CONUS. Can you imagine lying on a stretcher on a hospital receiving room floor with a bunch of wounded Marines (some so bad you could only see their eyes through the body cast and others who never stopped moaning in pain during the long flight home) and being told that, once we were ambulatory and able to go on leave, we should avoid wearing our uniforms in public because we would get spat upon, called names, and goaded into fights by our fellow Americans? Needless to say, we all paid a lot of attention to the news coming back from the front, especially the 1968 Tet Offensive, since we still had friends in the thick of it.
Speaking of the thick of it, that is where you will find a lot of Vietnam vets when it comes to supporting the troops to the max in Iraq, despite all the political contentiousness involved with that conflict. I may no longer be the young guy I once was, but, to quote a famous author of long ago, this old hound still has teeth and those teeth can still bite. I swear that if I ever see any of our young Iraq veterans disrespected by the current anti-war crowd in way we were, those teeth will start biting in remembrance of all those young Marines in those stretchers on that hospital floor.
That said, I went back and did a little checking. I apparently did misremember a bit on that photo. The family of the Police Chief was not the one killed. It was the family of one of his deputy commanders and a very close friend in Saigon. Story goes that the VC in the picture was part of an urban assassination squad directed at the families of police officials. They reportedly attacked the deputy commander’s family with machetes and sliced up the mother, father, and children in their own kitchen, along with a lot of other people in the area. The Chief was apparently reacting out of extreme anger, sorrow, and frustration. He paid personally for that photo for the rest of his life.
Eddie Adams, the AP photographer who took the principal photo, was initially skeptical about the South Vietnamese version of the story but then claimed to have verified it himself. He began opining that he or anyone else might have been sorely tempted to do the same thing as the Chief under those terrible circumstances. Adams actually claimed that he apologized to the Chief years later because one photo ruined the guy’s life after being flashed across the world without an explanation of the circumstances. THAT you can actually chalk up to chaps like Walter Cronkite, “the most trusted man in America”, who somehow failed consistently to give us all the “other side of the story.”
All said and done, that photo and the little girl/napalm thing were indeed critical to the rapid change of sentiment in this country with regard to the war…along with Cronkite’s stupid assessment that Tet signaled defeat for us, even though the US/ARVN counterattack virtually wiped out the VC and forced the North Vietnamese Army to take over the bulk of the fighting.
The flaming monks I couldn’t have cared less about. They were “useful idiots” to the VC and North Vietnamese. Same goes for those pampered, wealthy, stupid students at the university in Saigon who, having wangled their way out of the South Vietnamese draft, were always agitating and rioting against the war. I often wonder how many of them wound up in “re-education” camps or worse after 1975 or, if they were lucky, escaped on those small boats, many of which sank at sea with terrible loss of life because the U.S. Navy was ordered to stand by and not help them.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Ah, ACT, no wonder you and Killer have such a bond….
November 25th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Greg,
If at some point you have move Bambi than you can use, especially the jerky kind, I would love a bite. Bambi is sooo delicious!
I just need a place to find him where I can shoot him!
Brian
November 25th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Joe, I must say you sure do draw an interesting crowd to your blog.
Before Stoner threatens to shoot me again…, I must tell you. I may be the only Loudoun County citizen who entered the Fauquier County Izzak Walton League Turkey shoot, and won. Now that oughta give ole Stoner a clue.
November 26th, 2008 at 7:50 am
cool story about Va woman who negotiated with Somali pirates, helping to end the stand-off–
http://patriotroom.com/did-one-woman-in-virginia-just-bring-down-the-somali-pirates/
November 26th, 2008 at 9:58 am
G. Stone - Do you have a Cracker Ass recipe for venison sausage? My attempts (yes, my Elitist Ass likes to munch on Bambi as much as your Cracker Ass) have been too dry and I really want to make pure Bambi sausage with no help from Porky (not that I have anything against Porky mind you - he tastes mighty good as well).
November 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
E Troll:
The problem with Venison as sausage without pork or beef fat is it is A. hard to keep together in any form minus a casing and B. it tends to cook up dry , again lacking any fat.
I usually have mine made into Sweet Italian links.
November 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Deer Alert !
Prancers cousin, Virginia Whitetail while taking a leisurely walk up the eastern slope of Short Hill Mountain in Hillsboro Virginia, fell victim to a gun shot wound to the neck. Based on the wound path, it appears the assailant was lying in wait perched in one of several hundred trees in the area. Authorities believe the Deer was specifically targeted in that there were others in the general area who were unharmed. The Deers relationship to Prancer is under investigation as a possible motive for the shooting.
The ambush is believed to have occurred between 7:35 and 7:38 am. Based on eyewitness accounts from other Deer present at the ambush, the assailant is a Big Ugly Camouflaged Guy with a bunch of guns.
November 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
My heart bleeds for thee, Virginia Whitetail. I shall avenge thee.
November 26th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Well done G, feast and be merry !