Comments on: An Evening With Extraordinary Gentlemen http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/ updated, and a little more mellow Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:02:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Wolverine http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17562 Wolverine Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:21:50 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17562 A tad off topic; but I just read a recent quote from Joe Biden on the subject of counterterrorism: "...the way in which we have conducted our policy in terms of surveillance as well as the detainees has hurt our reputation around the world." Thats an "oh-oh" moment, folks. Our reputations or our lives. We had all better hope that Obama returns the vice-presidency to its once traditional role as a "bucket of warm spit." A tad off topic; but I just read a recent quote from Joe Biden on the subject of counterterrorism: “…the way in which we have conducted our policy in terms of surveillance as well as the detainees has hurt our reputation around the world.”

Thats an “oh-oh” moment, folks. Our reputations or our lives. We had all better hope that Obama returns the vice-presidency to its once traditional role as a “bucket of warm spit.”

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17526 jacob Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:31:34 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17526 L.I., Having been a Democrat and then becoming a Republican does not a RINO make. The party of Jefferson has drifted ever leftward both socially and economically. When Clinton declared he was a 'new' Democrat in the mold of Truman, many believed him, and where excited that a Democrat in the old mold had emerged. L.I.,
Having been a Democrat and then becoming a Republican does not a RINO make. The party of Jefferson has drifted ever leftward both socially and economically. When Clinton declared he was a ‘new’ Democrat in the mold of Truman, many believed him, and where excited that a Democrat in the old mold had emerged.

]]> By: Cathymac http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17486 Cathymac Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:54:46 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17486 LI, Reagan was a Democrat in the 40's, and as he said - the Party left him. If we keep up with the "pick the most electable" and ignoring the principles of the Conservative movement, we will continue to lose people - because the Party has left them. Please name me one issue Reagan was a so called "RINO" on. LI, Reagan was a Democrat in the 40’s, and as he said – the Party left him. If we keep up with the “pick the most electable” and ignoring the principles of the Conservative movement, we will continue to lose people – because the Party has left them.

Please name me one issue Reagan was a so called “RINO” on.

]]> By: Brian Withnell http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17482 Brian Withnell Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:17:51 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17482 My problem with "support the most electable" is that the sentiment is become a Democrat, stop being a Republican. Either the Republican party stands for principles, or there is no need for a Republican party. The Democrats are the party of no principles ... they change their tune to be all inclusive so much they have nothing on which they stand other than what is popular at the moment. I find both parties worrying too much about "winning" and not worrying about doing what is true truth. Neither party wants to say this is truth and it cannot change. Both just want power. This is not a plan for good government, it is a plan for tyranny. My problem with “support the most electable” is that the sentiment is become a Democrat, stop being a Republican. Either the Republican party stands for principles, or there is no need for a Republican party. The Democrats are the party of no principles … they change their tune to be all inclusive so much they have nothing on which they stand other than what is popular at the moment.

I find both parties worrying too much about “winning” and not worrying about doing what is true truth. Neither party wants to say this is truth and it cannot change. Both just want power. This is not a plan for good government, it is a plan for tyranny.

]]> By: Wolverine http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17462 Wolverine Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:30:05 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17462 You can debate all you want about whether Reagan was truly conservative or not. However, I can tell what I saw in him: determination and decisiveness. For four long years under Carter, we fought a silent battle against nasty foes with the proverbial one arm tied behind our backs. From DAY ONE, Reagan unloosed those bonds and sent us back to that front with what we really needed: the full backing and support of the C-in-C. That for us was a whole world of difference. Bush I, although not quite so adept as Reagan, pursued the same policy; and I can guarantee you that there are Americans walking around today who, although they may not realize it, owe their very lives to those two men. And then came Clinton. And then came the shackles again. You saw the results in the late 1990's and beyond. After 9-11, Bush II tossed those shackles into the trash can. Let us hope that Obama imitates his Republican predecessors in this regard and not his Democrat forerunners. You can debate all you want about whether Reagan was truly conservative or not. However, I can tell what I saw in him: determination and decisiveness. For four long years under Carter, we fought a silent battle against nasty foes with the proverbial one arm tied behind our backs. From DAY ONE, Reagan unloosed those bonds and sent us back to that front with what we really needed: the full backing and support of the C-in-C. That for us was a whole world of difference.

Bush I, although not quite so adept as Reagan, pursued the same policy; and I can guarantee you that there are Americans walking around today who, although they may not realize it, owe their very lives to those two men. And then came Clinton. And then came the shackles again. You saw the results in the late 1990’s and beyond. After 9-11, Bush II tossed those shackles into the trash can. Let us hope that Obama imitates his Republican predecessors in this regard and not his Democrat forerunners.

]]> By: Loudoun Insider http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17457 Loudoun Insider Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:53:02 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17457 Reagan was once a Democrat, remember? At certain Republican conventions that would get RR tossed as a delegate by some. If you think you are going to win a majority of the electorate like this, you are out of your minds. Reagan was once a Democrat, remember? At certain Republican conventions that would get RR tossed as a delegate by some. If you think you are going to win a majority of the electorate like this, you are out of your minds.

]]> By: Rtwng Extrmst http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17452 Rtwng Extrmst Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:50:23 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17452 Great posts Joe and Wolverine. As for Reagan=RINO... Sorry, I had to pick myself off the floor from my laughing. Reagan was a conservative across the board. I know of not a liberal view in him. Perhaps you are confusing him with his wife, or perhaps his son by the same name... "Since you have your heads so far up your rears, your only hope, and I mean only, is that the Dems do something really stupid. If they govern anywhere near the middle for the next 8 years, it won’t matter what kind of candidates you have." You mean like maybe Iran, or perhaps talking about "economic malaise" when we had 20% interest rates and 13% unemployemet? Or maybe you remember someone by the name Lewinsky? Had Algore actually been elected, remember he did lose the Electoral College vote, which is how we Constitutionally elect our President, he would have screwed up as well, just like every other Dem President since I can remember. Great posts Joe and Wolverine.

As for Reagan=RINO… Sorry, I had to pick myself off the floor from my laughing. Reagan was a conservative across the board. I know of not a liberal view in him. Perhaps you are confusing him with his wife, or perhaps his son by the same name…

“Since you have your heads so far up your rears, your only hope, and I mean only, is that the Dems do something really stupid. If they govern anywhere near the middle for the next 8 years, it won’t matter what kind of candidates you have.”

You mean like maybe Iran, or perhaps talking about “economic malaise” when we had 20% interest rates and 13% unemployemet? Or maybe you remember someone by the name Lewinsky? Had Algore actually been elected, remember he did lose the Electoral College vote, which is how we Constitutionally elect our President, he would have screwed up as well, just like every other Dem President since I can remember.

]]> By: Cathymac http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17447 Cathymac Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:41:14 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17447 Thank you again Jacob, I had a response to LI on "Reagan is a RINO" and his optimism and it read eerily similar to yours, but I got annoyed and deleted the whole damn thing. So basically, thanks for typing out my thoughts. Thank you again Jacob, I had a response to LI on “Reagan is a RINO” and his optimism and it read eerily similar to yours, but I got annoyed and deleted the whole damn thing.

So basically, thanks for typing out my thoughts.

]]> By: ACTivist http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17440 ACTivist Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:29:21 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17440 Common Idiot, "The REAL litmus test ought to be whether you are willing to support the MOST ELECTABLE Republican candidate even if you don’t agree with him/her on every issue (that means even the big ones)." Not just no but HELL NO! I've already had a discussion with someone about compromising principles. The times may change but your principles should not. If it is what you believe in what do you accomplish with electability? When the people refuse to give in to fads and empty promises, politicians will turn into civil servants. I may not get the candidate that I want but once in a lifetime but when I do, it makes the rest of the time livable! Common Idiot,

“The REAL litmus test ought to be whether you are willing to support the MOST ELECTABLE Republican candidate even if you don’t agree with him/her on every issue (that means even the big ones).”

Not just no but HELL NO! I’ve already had a discussion with someone about compromising principles. The times may change but your principles should not. If it is what you believe in what do you accomplish with electability? When the people refuse to give in to fads and empty promises, politicians will turn into civil servants. I may not get the candidate that I want but once in a lifetime but when I do, it makes the rest of the time livable!

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17435 jacob Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:37:31 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17435 LI, 1. Name one prominent current conservative who wold call Reagan a RINO. 2. Obama is an empty suit, with speaking skills. The Democrat party should have picked sHrillery, instead they picked Mr Feelgood. This should have given the Republican a shot. Yes, GWB is an problem, but that could have been overcome. 3. McCain ran a lousy campaign ... a. could not raise 1/5 of what Obama did b. his BEST speech was at the press club in NYC, otherwise he was flat c. he totally blew it on the bank bail out, 700B without strings, he should have called for a better package, not agree with GWB d. Obama kept linking McCain to GWB, a smart campaign would have linked Obama to his pastor, his real estate partner, and his boss at the Annandale foundation e. ACORN?!? f. McCain never got over SC in 2000. He spent the next 7 years kicking conservatives, he should have made a real effort to reconsile with the Republican base, the very social conservatives you love to hate. Instead he went after moderates, and lost 4. There was WAY more to Reagan than 'sunny optimism', while I am not advocating a grouchiness, this is shallowness writ large. LI,
1. Name one prominent current conservative who wold call Reagan a RINO.
2. Obama is an empty suit, with speaking skills. The Democrat party should have picked sHrillery, instead they picked Mr Feelgood. This should have given the Republican a shot. Yes, GWB is an problem, but that could have been overcome.

3. McCain ran a lousy campaign …
a. could not raise 1/5 of what Obama did
b. his BEST speech was at the press club in NYC, otherwise he was flat
c. he totally blew it on the bank bail out, 700B without strings, he should have called for a better package, not agree with GWB
d. Obama kept linking McCain to GWB, a smart campaign would have linked Obama to his pastor, his real estate partner, and his boss at the Annandale foundation
e. ACORN?!?
f. McCain never got over SC in 2000. He spent the next 7 years kicking conservatives, he should have made a real effort to reconsile with the Republican base, the very social conservatives you love to hate. Instead he went after moderates, and lost

4. There was WAY more to Reagan than ’sunny optimism’, while I am not advocating a grouchiness, this is shallowness writ large.

]]> By: Loudoun Insider http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17432 Loudoun Insider Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:16:22 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17432 Reagan would be a RINO to many of these people. Spare me all the BS about McCain - ANY Republican candidate was doomed this year because of the miserable performance of GWB. Reagan succeeded in large part to his sunny optimism. I have yet to see that in evidence of many current "conservative" leaders. Most of them come across as grouches. Reagan would be a RINO to many of these people. Spare me all the BS about McCain – ANY Republican candidate was doomed this year because of the miserable performance of GWB. Reagan succeeded in large part to his sunny optimism. I have yet to see that in evidence of many current “conservative” leaders. Most of them come across as grouches.

]]> By: jacob http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17427 jacob Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:04:44 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17427 Sanity, I forget nothing, you are just engaged in wishful thinking. Reagan was far from a fiscal liberal like Bush. Go read what WFB said on the matter. As for the social conservatism, he was socially conservative, I think you beleive that conservative means 'gay bashing' or someting. Sanity,
I forget nothing, you are just engaged in wishful thinking. Reagan was far from a fiscal liberal like Bush. Go read what WFB said on the matter.

As for the social conservatism, he was socially conservative, I think you beleive that conservative means ‘gay bashing’ or someting.

]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17425 Joe Budzinski Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:43:28 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17425 Oh, Kennedy too, of course Oh, Kennedy too, of course

]]> By: Joe Budzinski http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17424 Joe Budzinski Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:42:41 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17424 You may want to read up a little more on your history, there, Sanity. The 1988 and 2004 elections were each decided by a good bit more than 528 votes. Hard to believe, I know ... but it's true. Add in the Perot factor in 1992 and it's frankly a bit of a miracle anybody younger than 40 would have even the slightest familiarity with the concept of an actual Democrat president. But for a quirk of history, it could have been Roosevelt, Truman, Carter, Obama as the entire Democrat roster. You may want to read up a little more on your history, there, Sanity. The 1988 and 2004 elections were each decided by a good bit more than 528 votes. Hard to believe, I know … but it’s true.

Add in the Perot factor in 1992 and it’s frankly a bit of a miracle anybody younger than 40 would have even the slightest familiarity with the concept of an actual Democrat president. But for a quirk of history, it could have been Roosevelt, Truman, Carter, Obama as the entire Democrat roster.

]]> By: Sanity http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/comment-page-1/#comment-17421 Sanity Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:54:23 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/2008/12/18/an-evening-with-extraordinary-gentlemen/#comment-17421 Yeah, except in most ways Reagan was more liberal than McCain. How soon you forget! The problem is that you guys have turned so hard to the right that you're not anywhere near anyone any more. You need to moderate or pretty soon the only states you'll win are Mississippi and Utah. Maybe Idaho. Maybe. Here's the facts guys: * You had Reagan who was not nearly as socially conservative as you seem to remember. He won because he talked trash to Russia. And we had Carter . * You got Bush I, hardly a "true conservative" who won against a lousy opponent. * We got Clinton, twice. * The majority of the country wanted Gore, but you guys won 5-4. * Bush squeaked by again because we were in the middle of a trumped up war. * People are in full-blown "buyer's remorse" about Bush so even a black unknown kicked your guy's ass. How in the hell do you figure you're even in the game any more? You were 528 votes away from having dems for 20 straight years. Since you have your heads so far up your rears, your only hope, and I mean only, is that the Dems do something really stupid. If they govern anywhere near the middle for the next 8 years, it won't matter what kind of candidates you have. Yeah, except in most ways Reagan was more liberal than McCain. How soon you forget!

The problem is that you guys have turned so hard to the right that you’re not anywhere near anyone any more. You need to moderate or pretty soon the only states you’ll win are Mississippi and Utah. Maybe Idaho. Maybe.

Here’s the facts guys:
* You had Reagan who was not nearly as socially conservative as you seem to remember. He won because he talked trash to Russia. And we had Carter .
* You got Bush I, hardly a “true conservative” who won against a lousy opponent.
* We got Clinton, twice.
* The majority of the country wanted Gore, but you guys won 5-4.
* Bush squeaked by again because we were in the middle of a trumped up war.
* People are in full-blown “buyer’s remorse” about Bush so even a black unknown kicked your guy’s ass.

How in the hell do you figure you’re even in the game any more? You were 528 votes away from having dems for 20 straight years.

Since you have your heads so far up your rears, your only hope, and I mean only, is that the Dems do something really stupid. If they govern anywhere near the middle for the next 8 years, it won’t matter what kind of candidates you have.

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