The rules of economics are similar to physics. Wishing they were otherwise will not change them. Wishing they were otherwise and acting on it will only get you killed financially. In short, economics is the transfer of time, materials and energy from one person to another. The time it takes to produce an item is part of the value of a commodity. The inherent value of the material is part of the value of the commodity. The energy put into the the item is the last part of the price/value.
Just as in physics, walking off a cliff economically will have disastrous results. Paying people more than they produce will not increase production. Especially if the workers are not paid by the item made, but by the hour worked. What will happen is the initial possible (but certainly not guaranteed) increase in production will subside.
When it comes to pay, one also needs to look at several factors:
– what is the economic benefit derived from the labor
- will an increase in pay lead to greater economic output
- can this given individual be replaced by someone else
The purpose of a business interest is to generate the greatest profit for the owner of the interest, not the happiness of the employees.
“I grew up hoping Blacks and Women would one day rise through the ranks of the established white mans world to flesh out some truth in this world.”
You write as if you have a vision of absolute purity for these two social groups, who are above their own forms of bigotry.
danny boy, i don’t support either side bombing or launching rockets into neighborhoods.
“You write as if you have a vision of absolute purity for these two social groups, who are above their own forms of bigotry.”
I had a vision when I was a child. Later I learned that bigotry does not bound itself to one gender or ethnicity. I could not believe how I went from looking up to blacks and women to using the words bitch and nigger pretty much daily while carrying a great deal of animosity towards liberals for having let me down.
The thing about that is that out here in the real world these days, Blacks, Women, Men, White Men, Gays, Young People, and People from other nations who migrated here over the past 40 years are all beginning to act as if we are all on the same team even though our policy makers on both sides of the isle still try to keep us at each others throat. But I really see the left growing a lot quicker than the right. Of course this makes since because liberalism died first.
I am just saying that we could have gotten where we need to be yesterday if white men could catch up a little bit quicker. I know it makes a lot of their nuts shrivel up to think how far they have to go make it real, the same is true for all the other groups. I mean I have no better luck trying to communicate with any of the other genres.
Its not rocket science. We don’t have problems understanding we shouldn’t marry our sisters or cousins. But over a the long term, we also shouldn’t marry within our own races so much either. That is why the US has grown so strong, among other things, part of the equation is that we marry outside our races even if it is between white people where before we came to America, most Europeans married within their own cultures. This produces weak genes for future generations whose instincts tell them that they are inferior to those who breed outside their race.
It’s one of the ways new tribes or kingdoms or nations form. Along the borders of two regions, breeding happens between two peoples that produce a more aggressive and higher evolved race which then war erupts between the two cultures often a new empire comes out of the process.
Inbreds instinctively fear members of other races because they know they are stronger and smarter and aren’t afraid to take the kinds of risks that result in superior status in society. But then new blood is the cure for future generations to become strong again, which some of the more liberal members sense in their attractions to other races and act on it.
People are just like dogs where breeding the same species over many generations creates specialized pets who can service their masters needs as they were created to do so. But this comes with weaknesses in other areas and an overall more vulnerable creature except in the area of expertise they were designed for.
I’ve hitchhiked all over this country and seen the same kinds of racial protectionism in communities who’ve bred within themselves for successive generations. This held true for both whites and blacks. But many of those kind of psychological barriers to social growth are only there because, for whatever reason, there are many and they are all badly managed; there are two schools of understanding the truth about the human condition 1) what the mainstream public understands and 2) what scholars talk about when they are not teaching.
I look at scholars as men and women who didn’t figure out how to leave the institutions that trained them to be able to grow up and enter the real world. Educations systems are a lot like the problems between the races with inbreeding where new blood and change is resisted by those entrenched there for successive generations. The very idea that we have to go to school and be initiated into the secrets of being intelligent animals is repulsive to me.
Education is the flow of information, not the institutionalization of it. The way we do it turns the world into a laboratory experiment with us the lab rats when really all we need to do is make learning what we do as life goes by where instead of debating about the ideologies academics come up with as the silver bullets to solve society’s ills, we simply could talk about the foundation they build these ideologies on which hold the simple truths to what being a human being means.
I mean if an intelligent animal knows what he or she is, they can take it from there themselves. But under that kind of intelligent social structure, human beings would be harder to herd into factories and ghettos to work for low wages while not having enough understanding of how the system works to know they’re throwing away their lives to give worthless rich people lives of privilege that is really just ruining their masters lives also.
el hefer, what do you support then, other than just coming here to rattle cages ?
Fontaine, unfortunately, I think you believe the very historical lies you claim you want to do away with. White men have not kept “other races” down throughout history. There have been civilizations in Africa, North/South America, and Asia that have come and gone without any help from white men. These civilizations failed for their own reasons, and when they were successful, they were successful on their own terms. Have there been horrible historical events that have taken place that occurred at the hands of “white men”, of course. But there have been horrible historical events that have taken place without white men even being present. You really need to truly see the world from a global perspective, and not from a perspective that sees white men at the center of all important human events (both good and bad). You call these white men that you disdain weak, but what they are is human. You don’t seem to like the humanness you see in them.
It’s just a suggestion, one I think you’ll probably pass up, but if you get a chance, please read a book entitled “Paul” by Charles Swindoll. On page 204, there’s a quote from a work by John Stott concerning Paul’s reaction to the spiritual darkness of Athens. In part it reads “Paul’s reaction to the city’s idolatry was not negative only but also positive and constructive. he did not merely throw up his hands in despair, or weep helplessly, or curse and swear at the Athenians”. Your perspective is steeped in negativity. There’s a reason for that, but that’s not how real change occurs, or how progress is made, although somehow you’ve become convinced that it is.
I’m not even going to address your perverse view of women and people of African descent, except to say that even when you think you’re being inclusive you’re being truly insulting. You said, “Look at how white men treated Indians, Blacks, and Women”, but do you realize that in the same message you made a pretty disgusting statement about white men and “their women”? You also somehow believe that white men evolved from Africans, but you don’t really believe in evolution because you say you don’t think white men are better than others (even though evolution sort of implies that species evolve to advance and you acknowledged that you believe this in your last post). I don’t know how someone could possibly unlearn such tripe, but I sincerely hope you find a way to do so.
I don’t really want to discuss this any longer. Until you wake up and realize that your perspective is clouded by your own unhappiness with white men just being human, and that you have very distorted views of women and of blacks, you’ll never understand how flawed your thinking really is. For once, I have true empathy for Barak Obama. If you continue to think the way that you do, and you come to realize just how human he is, just as human as the white men you despise, you’ll come to dislike him as well.
“The thing about that is that out here in the real world these days, Blacks, Women, Men, White Men, Gays, Young People, and People from other nations who migrated here over the past 40 years are all beginning to act as if we are all on the same team even though our policy makers on both sides of the isle still try to keep us at each others throat.”
This is what I refer to as “Divide and Conquer Politics”. Remember, it is the liberals that have given us the Native American, African American, Italian American, etc. pigeon holes.
I have never believed that hyphenated American are true or serious Americans. You should be a American of Italian descent, American of Irish descent, etc. Putting the ethnic term before American is not truly American.
I am sick and tired of the term “Racist,” it has evolved over the last few decades as a silent slur against anyone that does not agree with the left or the idiots inside the beltway that are attempting to sell out this country and in some cases give it away. That word lost its true meaning in the 60’s.
You are doing what women often do, a kind of sibling rivalry tactic that distracts from the issue at hand. We were talking about Israel, a problem that we could benefit from understanding better right now, today, because World War III is breaking out in the Middle East.
This discussion you want to have about race and gender is table talk that has gone on since the dawn of time, probably goes on at some level in the non intelligent animal kingdom, and will be going on a thousands years from now while it is irrelevant to the events of the day.
I entered a discussion about Israel and you took it to the one place you are familiar with, gender and race, a topic that is generally unwinnable but is a good social exercise to engage to become more familiar with how each other thinks. But now you want to walk away as if that was what we were talking about where you have conceded there is no changing my attitude on this issue. It’s like you think I shouldn’t be able to talk about hope to fix the Israeli/Palestinian problem until I have undergone your sensitivity training program and graduated.
At least tell me this, what credentials do you support you expertise in judging human behavior through their comments on a blog? I spent a lot of time being sensitive to your wanting to take this discussion off topic where now you want to throw up your hands up in disgust with me as a human being. You are a typical broad, an example of why woman have been forced to be seen and not heard for the last five thousands years and why that might be the way it is for the next five thousands women can’t come up with more constructive ways to deal with solving the problems mankind faces. And I mean that with all due sincerity.
The reason we are in the fix we are in with the state of the world is because of woman and blacks always wanting to distract from reality wandering off topic into deep discussion about social and personality issues that are simply part of life while real problems go undressed, real problems that are harder to get a real grasp on that require real solutions that involve real effort.
So my Dear, I correct you, I am the one who has had enough of this discussion. I can have that discussion any time I want with any of the woman in my life. Why the hell would I come hear to have it with you? And don’t come back saying that one minute I love women and blacks while the next I am raking them over the coals. A good burn can be constructive if it comes from someone who loves you.
But seriously, women and blacks did bring us here. They were given a vacuum to fill in the 70’s and failed. If women and blacks had not assumed the role of leaders, then there would have been nothing standing between white men like me and the people running the world now. You dropped the ball and we have to come in and clean up after the mess you made. And it’s not going to happen like this again so you better grow up and take some serious responsibility for how this world is run and get your head out of your ass about all this sensitivity talk.
You know what women created, home owners associations that go around nagging their neighbors about what color flowers are planted on someone’s property. Do you have any idea how much could have been accomplished if all that energy had been directed towards something constructive?
What if no one had cared what someone thought about race or gender where it didn’t matter if someone hated a race or gender, that they were entitled to their belief no matter how twisted they were because the focus of society was on what gets us from point A to point B economically, militarily, and socially without socializing every word we think or say.
And what if it takes a different ways of seeing the world to come up with real solutions to real problems where hatred and bigotry play an important role in the human experience of being intelligent animals? Do you want to brainwash that mindset out of the American dialogue simply so you can love or hate everyone where everyone either sees life through the same viewers or they are not considered part of what is valid to the future.
I just want things to work as best they can for me. If we can get there, then I would like to have the freedom to figure how I think about others to be left up to me as a private matter. My bigotry only grew from people who seemed to think they had so few responsibilities that they needed to attend to in this world that they had nothing better to left to do than worry about what I was thinking about as it relates to these actually very private maters of love and hate. It molests society to put such dialogues before everything else. It’s like equating bunch of people comparing notes on how to wipe their ass with finding the path to freedom.
If we stick to the business at hand, the world will work and people will grow. What you want to do is not see me mature but leave behind a record of how immature I once was. So what, who cares? It’s like saying you know my underwear has skid marks. Who cares, and by the way so do yours.
There you have it. The full and true story about the development of western Fairfax and eastern Loudoun. It was all a CIA plot by ex-Nazis to fund this huge, secret “black” intelligence operation. And, in order, to protect their investment and the security of this nefarious operation, the CIA had to spend millions, even trillions to try to shut up a 10-year-old who had somehow sniffed out this whole thing just by his little old self. Astounding! The things we “inbreds” learn on the web!
Rachelfriend — I never thought…Are you really just a “typical broad” with skid marks on your underwear?
“I supported and support Obama and believe in him more than any white men I have ever witnessed lead. I just hope my judgment is right about him because we are going to be a real fix if I am wrong.”
How can you believe in someone that virtually said nothing? A man that used to travel and work with Farrakhan said they all taught him how to give a speech draw people in, he was constantly trained to give a speech like King and Farrakhan, (early tapes of his speeches are low voice, lifeless, dull, stalls). When he doesn’t have a prepared speech, he stutters terrible, uh, uh, uh.
This was one of the biggest scams in history. He never said anything, he repeatedly shouted the same empty phrases. The best example I’ve seen of a Jim Jones or Charles Manson in years. Just wait until he decides to put good use to his hypnotics and text messages, and you suddenly wake up one night to a text message with your orders in it.
Fontaine, you’re not unhappy that race and gender were brought into the discussion, because you introduced race into the discussion yourself (January 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, last paragraph). When someone writes “It all boils down to one thing”, I tend to think that they are saying “this is the main point of my argument and the main reason I believe this way”. I don’t even think I had entered into the discussion at that point, so I’m not quite sure how you think I raised this issue unless I have some unearthly powers I don’t know about. I merely pointed out that your views are contradictory, that they are not based in reality, and that you can drop the whole “championing the underdog” routine because it’s just a front for what you truly believe. You brought it up, but you didn’t expect anyone to actually take notice? You may be used to that, but I’m not. You actually began the “sibling rivalry tactic that distracts from the issue at hand” Fontaine. Take responsibility for your own words. I didn’t think you’d agree with me, so no surprise there, but you could at least accept that you introduced that aspect of the discussion.
Wolverine, yup, I guess I’m a typical woman. I’m taking that as a compliment, but I don’t that’s the way it was meant. I’m not so sure about the skid marks though, I actually change on a regular basis. Perhaps Fontaine is telling us something?
Well, anyway, here’s a good quote for you straight from the lips of friend Bobby on You Tube: “I am an a**hole.”
Thank you. I’ll try to remember that.
I just don’t see much of a discussion here. If one of you have any ideas on anything? I would love to hear them. I look at it like this. A bunch of rich and powerful men sit around in the clubhouse smoking cigars drinking brandy and expensive burden while planning our future. I look at the result of what they come up with and figure what the temperament in the room must have been like -condescending, arrogant, conniving, and anything but polite.
To me, that spells “room full of assholes.” Do you know how our founding fathers planned the American Revolution? It was mostly done in the attic over a pub at all hours of the night with many gallons of ale being guzzled in the process. What does that tell you? It says our founding fathers knew that in order to beat a drunken asshole, you have to become a drunken asshole to understand how he thinks.
I just wish you would stop corking the jig so we can get where we are trying to go. I mean I went “over to the other side”, which for those of you in Reolinda, is the liberal left which now call themselves progressives. But they either aren’t home or are pretending they aren’t refusing to come out and play. This might be because they lack the basic skills of reading and writing. At least here, you have all been educated. Actually this is a really good group. But if anyone asks, I didn’t just say that.
But tell me this, are there any other real assholes in this room or I am the only one. Pass me the jug.
Oh yeah, did any of you see sixty minutes?
Bobby, in one of your posts elsewhere you said the following: “Sometimes I wonder if I’m in a prolonged nightmare…”
My advice to you: WAKE THE HELL UP, BOY!
Geez Louise, Joy Behar is looking better and better.
“I’m surrounded by @$$holes.”
“It says our founding fathers knew that in order to beat a drunken asshole, you have to become a drunken asshole to understand how he thinks.”
Fontaine, If you believe this, your are as ignorant of history as you are of current affairs.
Riddle me this Fontaine, where are we trying to go ?
Something tells me I’ve missed some key portions of the recent conversation … You Tube?
By the way who is Joy Behar, that name rings a bell
Joy Behar is the big mouth Lib on The View. Of course that describes most of them (except for Elizabeth Hasselbeck) but she is the most obnoxious and least funny.
They picked Hasselback precisely because she is as dumb as a box of rocks. She fits the lib’s stereo type of conservative women, the stupid-air-head. What is amazing was the Hasselback argued Rosie O’Donnell into na corner, reinforcing my opinion of the basic lameness of liberal women.
In short, anyone with a room temperature IQ loves ‘The View’. Anyone with a body temperature IQ sees it for what it is, a vapid, inane echo liberal chamber.
I don’t think Hasselbeck is as dumb as a box of rocks, but she is not a skilled debater. She is a talking points debater and doesn’t know how to get out of traps set by Liberal debaters. That she upped Rosie is no surpise, but Whoopie is another story. The audience of The View is NY Libs that are completely oblivious to facts (shocking, but true) and react the all of Whoopie’s emotional outbursts, it is silly.
I watched clips throughout the election but nothing since. The View is a completely useless show that gets “shock” ratings, there is no substance there.
“NY Libs that are completely oblivious to facts”
Redundant.
Did anyone else catch Bill O’Reiily on the view ? Joy Behar and others were burning holes in him with their eyes when he put them into their places..
I did see O’Reilly, he really laid into Joy – it was fun to watch and even the NY audience liked seeing Joy get toasted. He gave Walters a good beating too.
hey there jacob, yes, peace. i menat to cause a stir but not to equate gun owners in america to terrorists, tone it down some. i was picking at the logic of gun ownership as a human right that we talked about some time ago. this right to self protection does not seem to be extended to palestinians. for one, all this complaing about palestinian terrorists launching rockets while israel has killed more than 500 people ‘defending themselves.’ if palestinians killed 500 isreal icivilians in an attack on 10or 20 soilders, many here i think would call for gaza to be wiped off the map. that’s not a support for launching rockets, it’s just a pointing out the inconistancies in the views of this conflict. and as for the bigot stuff, if you are using rosie as a symobl for all liberal women, you are crazy!they are all equally as smart on the view. even those she does a bad job representing conservative views, hasselback is cute. you would have thought the better qb in the family would have landed her.
joe, where’s my amnesty?
el jefe,
the palestinians went trolling for a fight when they launched 3000 missiles BEFORE this invasion. 1.5M Israelis lived under the threat of missile attack every day. Would you tolerate living under the threat of death everyday? Would tolerate your women and children living under the threat of death everyday?
This has been going on for years now. Ever since the Israelis forcibly removed the Jewish settlers from Gaza. That was done as I recall as meeting a long standing demand by the Palestinians for peace. The Israelis met this demand without asking for anything in return other than to be left alone. The rocket attacks is all they got for their troubles.
I think your response would have some soon and would have been far less measured.
“i was picking at the logic of gun ownership as a human right that we talked about some time ago. this right to self protection does not seem to be extended to palestinians.”
Criminals lose the right to keep and bear arms.
Jacob,
“Would you tolerate living under the threat of death everyday? Would tolerate your women and children living under the threat of death everyday?”
Are you new to this site? El jefe LIVES in Baltimore, remember? Enough said!
i was actually going to make same comment act, you beat me to it. but as bad as it is for b*more right now, our football team is kicking a**. how nice of the israelis to dismantle illegal settlements.they get praised for self sacrifice for obeying international law. it’s amazing how almost everyting you say jacob applies to the palestinian situation. as of last count, 4 israelies have died in rocket attacks, 9 soildersin combat. meanwhile, it’s up near 900 palestinians dead and over 4000 injured. a lack of water, food, work, etc. now, put yourself in the other situation. would you tolerate living in such conditions? where is my amnesty most wise and beneficent administrator?
el jefe,
‘how nice of the israelis to dismantle illegal settlements.they get praised for self sacrifice for obeying international law.’
Nice. You are engaging in a lie here. Mendacity does not wear well on you. Try something else. Get a primer on debate or logic. Mud and bomb throwing will only lead to another 10 rounds.
1. When those settlements where built, the land was bought and paid for. HOw is that illegal, unless you are a antisemetic bigot?
2. Most of the settlements where not considered illegal, at the time they where built and settled. That required some pixie dust from the UN.
3. That the UN has allowed the likes of the Sudanese to run the Human Rights commission only shows how seriously we should take anti-Israeli proclamations from the circus on the Hudson. But you repeat the bile with a strait face. Such is the true nature of mendacity. Makes one wonder.
Keep ignoring the questions boy … your street cred is running low.
el jefe,
kindly explain to us a justification for fire thousand of missiles … during a cease fire? Lets return the nub of your BS.
jacob, you are one sensitive guy. it doesn’t even take an insult, just a disagreement and you start saying stuff like ‘anti-semetic.’ and calling me that is really stupid, and pretentious word usage doesn’t cover that up. are you saying it was bought after ‘67 when gaza was occupied territory or before? and i like how you say ‘most’ weren’t illegal, some lie that i told. and what a pathetic tactic of attacking the un for criticizing israel, the eu, amnesty internaitonal, etc. do the same. and i’m not justifying the rocket attacks it’s terrorists and criminals, the only person that has justified attacks on and the killing of civilians is you.
el jefe,
Sensitive? No, just tired of the crap that has been said about our only ally in the region, AND, the only country that is a functioning democracy, Iraq is a democracy, but the jury is out until we leave and they have to do this themselves. It is not my fault that you parrot the bullshit, which is rooted in antisemitism.
You still have not addressed the whole 1000’s of missiles during a ceasefire issue. I guess you never will.
“where is my amnesty most wise and beneficent administrator?”
You have to email him at Joe@novatownhall.com
“as of last count, 4 israelies have died in rocket attacks, 9 soildersin combat. meanwhile, it’s up near 900 palestinians dead and over 4000 injured.”
Let’s not mention that over half of those palestinians killed are civilians. Also, that they bombed and mortared repeatedly today a UN building where civilians were taking refuge and where humanitarian food/supplies were stockpiled.
It’s a shame.
Yes, it is a shame to hide rockets, missiles in civilian buildings. It is a shame to setup these launchers in schools, hospitals and churches and fire them at civilian targets in neighboring states.
Now Kevin, WHO made these civilians targets ? Isn’t it Hamas who is hiding and firing the rockets ? The one and the same Hamas who was elected to lead the Palestinian legislature ?
“Israel’s hunt for Hamas gunmen and leadership resulted in the death of two of the militant outfit’s key leaders in an aerial strike Thursday. The Israeli Defense Force’s (IDF) retaliation on Hamas attacks damaged the UN refugee agency’s headquarters ”
This UN building ? There are no media reports that I can find that mention any refugees in this building, other than the two militant leaders above. Maybe they should be more careful about giving refuge to militant Hamas leaders in UN buildings.
Ok, dans, whatever you say, or really, whatever Israel says
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/outrage-as-israel-bombs-un-1380407.html
Do tell, where do you say they report there were stockpiled weapons/militants, etc? I guess it’s a he said/she said, huh? Maybe the UN is lying. Maybe the UN is secretly backing Hamas. If Israel said the UN was backing Hamas would you believe that too?
“This was one of the biggest scams in history.”
Understatement of the four year cycle. Wait for it!!
Just about the time you think people are too smart to fall for another cult leader….this happens.
The dumbing-down of the electorate is now complete.
el jefty, kevin
‘meanwhile, it’s up near 900 palestinians dead and over 4000 injured’
This is the same Hamas that went to the morgue, and pulled bodies out, then arranged them for the media to see top a rubble pile. Right?
So when the Jena ‘massacre’ was first televised the casualty figures where in the low hundreds as well. With some 60% of the reported dead being women and children. Then after two reports, one froim amnesty international, and one from the UN both showed that 52 Palestinians died in the Jena fighting, 46 of them men from 17 to 45. that mens less than 15% of the casualties where collateral. Considering that Arabs fight from underneath their women’s skirts, the number is remarkably low.
So stop wringing your hands like old women, I am will to bet MONEY that the civilian casualties are nowhere near the current reports. Cry river over something that is real, not manufactured by the Hamas propaganda machine.
oh jacob, so you trust amnesty and the un when they come down on the palestinians but God forbid they should say something bad about the israeli treatment of palestinians, all of this would be a lie against our most trusted ally! this is a country with a few spies in us prisons, right?
1000 rocket attacks after a ceasefire? i thought there were hardly any until israel did therir little raid. and they didn’t lighten up on their restrictions.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians
and talk about the propaganda machine. suggesting that being critical of israel is a sign of bigotry is a cheap and stupid way of dissmising argument. this from a group that cmplains how unfair it is when someone says they are a racist for advocating immigration reform or opposing affirmative action. and while we are on the subject, i see you have no problems making a broad statement about arabs or equating all palestinians with hamas. i think it’s your bigotry that’s clouding your judgement of the conflict.
Kevin,
These are fakes done for purposes of propaganda ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFl51__Q9Gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMbbju1IoJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsZTzJqj9UM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSw6_tAy4I&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU
But maybe they are, and you are correct, that Islamic terrorists are in fact simply innocent bystanders, and the only one who feels their pain is the U.N. .
The UN is totally corrupt. It has been in our best interest for years to leave them by the wayside. They stick their noses into our business when it is not warranted with their hands out.
I saw somewhere that Obama has pledged them many billions over the next several years.
Israel may be put on the back burner if Obama decides that funds should be diverted from them and sent to Africa.
Do a search on Obama’s radical Islamic cousin Raila Odinga, here’s just a tidbit:
Internal memo of Odinga’s party’s “CAMPAIGN FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES.” It includes a list of donations, one of which is from “Friends of Senator BO.” The donation is for 66 million Kenya shillings, more than 1 million U.S. dollars. The conservative website WorldNetDaily said in October, 2008, that it had confirmed that the donation was organized by Obama. In a report published on 10/15/08, WorldNetDaily said sources in Kenya said the money came from a series of private meetings arranged for Odinga by Mark Lippert, a foreign policy advisor in Obama’s U.S. Senate office. The meetings are said to have taken place during and Odinga trip 2006 trip to the United States.
After he lost the election there were deadly riots and Christian churches burned.