60 Responses to “This Is How It’s Done!”

1. Cathymac
   February 19th, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

   That is fantastic!

   Come up with some great “gimme” signs – stand on a street corner, take some pictures and send them into Malkin. I’m in!

2. c. smith
   February 19th, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

   “O’bummer”

   Let the crappy policy criticize itself.
   Treat the name of the POTUS, like the office, as something worthy of respect.
   I despised the “Chimpy McHitlerBush” stuff of the last decade. The games with names is one jape that adds no value.

3. ACTivist
   February 19th, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

   c. smith,

   I understand your point but I have always had my “pet” names for people. That said, I take umbrage to your assertion that I don’t hold the position and title of our highest office in great respect. I do. The person holding that office has already denigrated his title-not I. And this is done with the same disrespect for my country and fellow citizens. He who would rather be king or saviour has not shown he deserves my alligiance or respect as his dislikes for this country shows and his policies prove. I have nothing to be ashamed of or apologetic for.

4. Lovisa
   February 19th, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

   ACTivist

   wow

   this is beyond belief

5. Lovisa
   February 19th, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

   Michelle Malkin is a snake in the grass. Beautiful – Yes.

   Can you say anything GOOD about her?

6. dans
   February 19th, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

   Start making your signs, it will be our turn soon.

   Was thinking about this driving home today, with Spring on the way, imagine DC is going to get real hectic, real soon…

   Yes, I can say something good about her Lovisa, her politics are a total about face from yours..

7. BarbaraN
   February 19th, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

   Even those of us who are fans of hope and change are wondering where the president’s mortgage plan reflects the 2% refinance deal for those who are upside down but did not buy beyond our means, revitalized our property in a neighborhood full of people who don’t pay attention, let alone their mortgages, and pay on time. Some of the signage is well over the top but I guess its the thought that counts.

8. ACTivist
   February 19th, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

   NoVisa,

   “ACTivist

   wow

   this is beyond belief”

   If you are talking about what the liberals in congress and the White House are doing to our country then yes. I couldn’t agree with you more. And this will be a first for us, won’t it?

9. ACTivist
   February 19th, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

   BarbaraN,

   I think the signage is to show the rediculousness (is this a real word?)of what people are truly expecting. I believe the signs are from the protestors of the stimulus. Who knows. They could be real O’bummer followers.

10. Wolverine
    February 19th, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

    Some good pics in that Malkin reference. I wonder if any of it was shown in the MSM television reporting. Nah — I’m dreaming. A couple of points:

    I’ve gotta come down a bit on c. smith’s side and avoid addressing any president by unflattering and essentially meaningless names. We only demean our own cause by doing that. The recent cartoon in the New York Post concerning the shooting of the chimp in Stamford, CT, for instance, was to me totally outrageous and totally uncalled for. I cannot believe the cartoonist would even consider such a thing. I don’t want that cartoonist on my team until he wises up a whole lot. I advocated imitating the street activism of the Left to a certain extent…not going all the way in that regard. This from someone who was called a “baby killer” after deplaning from Nam. You will get absolutely zero hearing and consideration from me after that.

    On the issue of respect for the sitting president. I really do object to the use of the term “Our President”, especially when scolded on that issue by liberals and other Dems. In the first place, I just witnessed eight years in which the Opposition referred to “Our President” as an election stealer, a liar, a criminal, a warmonger, a war lover, and an all around dumbass, among other unflattering terms. They will not stop even after the guy is no longer “Our President.” My response is: “Don’t preach to me. You talk the talk but always fail to walk the walk.”

    My own view is that it is the Office of the President that is sacred. It demands a high level of innate respect. The holder of that office, however, is a politician, whether in the office or a former holder of it. I will respect the office to the point of refraining from calling the man (or woman) meaningless names and taking such untoward actions as throwing shoes or anything else.

    Do not, however, imply that my genuinely felt criticisms of the actions being taken by that “politician” in the office somehow make me disrespectful of the office itself. It is my civic responsibility under the Constitution to voice objections to the actions of any politician if I feel strongly enough that those actions may be harmful to the country. POTUS cannot be an exception to that rule. Essentially, in my book, he is “The President”, not “Our President”. On the other hand the White House is “OUR WHITE HOUSE.” We collectively own the place and are commanded in a certain sense to take good care of it. “The President” is the hired hand who is allowed to live there for four or eight years at our expense.

    There are few times in history when the reverse has been true. FDR in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor is the one most frequently brought to mind. Not even Lincoln, maligned in office as few presidents have ever been, was accorded that honor until Grant began to bail him out. Yes, in the beginning the volunteers were responding to Father Abraham’s call for sacrifice, but it was not long before anti-draft rioters were tearing up New York City and lynching innocent free Blacks in one of the more shameful episodes in our history.

    The nub is that I will feel free to criticize Obama whenever I feel he deserves it, even to the point of stating that his policies are tending toward socialism — and, believe you me, I’ve lived in enough “socialist” and pseudo-Marxist countries to know the difference very acutely.

    My final point is that standing in the street and holding up signs intended for Obama is one way to go. How effective that will be, however, depends on the existence of a honest and objective media. Don’t hold your breathe. The Left could employ that tactic effectively because the media was often in their corner…even a lone anti-Republican protester in the middle of a McCain/Palin rally was often the one who got the face time on the evening news. I would say, nevertheless, to keep this up and hope that you can finally force the media into recognizing and reporting on it. Malkin is one thing. Putting those signs in the smug face of Chris Matthews, for instance, is the next step.

    I do think that more hay is to be made by getting in the faces of politicians like Webb and Warner when they are on the home turf where their potential voters live. Apart from the Supreme Court, the most effective tool we can have to block the extreme actions of any President is to up the ante for him when he has to go to the Hill. We saw that first hand with Bush II in the recent amnesty squabble. Because of basic ideological differences, you won’t be able to make guys like Webb and Warner into allies; but, if they can be shocked enough by the in-your-face feelings of a growing number of voters, they may decide to swing a bit with regard to certain key issues of greatest concern to many of us. If they refuse to do so, let them know in no uncertain terms that we will dog their footsteps right up to the next re-election cycle. And be alert to anything they say which can be used in that effort. That “macaca” business can strike in both directions. Look at Pat Leahy, for instance. He is talking about investigations into Bush and CIA actions which he clearly believes were criminal in nature. This from a guy who leaked at one time classified intelligence information which caused the deaths of some our most sensitive sources. It is an hypocrisy worth throwing back into his face.

11. Rachelfriend
    February 19th, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

    Wolverine, you’re kidding about the NY Post/Chimpanzee cartoon, right? I took it as a reference to an old saying I’ve used many times before: “this document is so messed up, a monkey with a typewriter could have done better”, which is really just a refernece to the “infinite monkey” theorem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem_in_popular_culture

    President Obama didn’t even write the legislation! I hate that FrankStim plan, but I actually thought more about the black bear post on this website than I did about that cartoon. I guess I’m just surprised to hear so many people took offense to it. You live, you learn.

12. dans
    February 19th, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

    Wolv, I saw that cartoon and I thought it was pretty funny. I drew no correlation to anyone. As Rachelfriend points out, It is common knowledge that Obama had nothing to do with writing the legislation.

13. Brian Withnell
    February 19th, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

    Back to the issue.

    I’m steamed. It takes a lot for me to be steamed. What I see in the mortgage bailout is that congress and the president are rewarding those that gambled and lost at the expense of those that did not gamble. My house lost a lot of value, but when I had the opportunity to sell and “move up” when the prices were going through the roof, I stayed were I was because I just did not trust it would stay that way.

    I acted responsibly. Now I’m going to have to pay for those that didn’t.

14. Joe Budzinski
    February 19th, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

    Brian and Barbara nail it: We who pay our bills are going to end up footing the bill for those that didn’t. If Obama had worked to pencil out this homeowner bailout he would have had a pretty clear path going forward to say “we made our best faith effort to solve the crisis.”

    Instead, I can tell you the script for the next three years: Responsible homeowners are now cosigners for their less responsible neighbors.

    Nice work, Democrats. You say GW Bush squandered the goodwill he’d garnered after 9-11. You have officially squandered whatever you had.

    Democrat Party to Americans: “Only chumps pay their bills.”

15. Rachelfriend
    February 19th, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

    I’m beyond being steamed. I’m over being steamed. I’m sick of being steamed. What else did anyone expect from President Obama after he signed that stimulus legislation? His approval ratings are still (reportedly) at 60%. Approval ratings for Congress have gone UP since January. That’s AFTER witnessing the routine drop in the markets each time President Obama opens his mouth to speak on this economy. That’s AFTER our leaders signed a bill they hadn’t read and flew off to Italy at our expense. Americans won’t wake up until unemployment hits double digits, unions get card check legislation through, and national health care is firmly in place. The mortgage bailout is just one more blip on the chart. It’ll turn into a mountain soon enough, but by then we’ll all be so poor it probably won’t matter.

16. Wolverine
    February 19th, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

    Rachelfriend and Dans — Not kidding at all about that cartoon. The moment I saw it I knew it was trouble and a very stupid move on the part of the Post editors. Indeed, some apologists did immediately claim that the cartoon should be viewed in an innocent context because it was actually Pelosi, Reid, and company rather than Obama who wrote the stimulus package. I say come off of that. Many people in this country do not parse things that deeply or intellectually. They react to what hits them immediately in the eye. Moreover, there is a lot of highly charged emotion out there, based in good part on the final breaching of a high-profile racial barrier. Throwing something like this cartoon out there at this moment (at any time, really) is almost like a provocation, no matter what kind of post-publication slant you try to put on it.

    Look at the news. There has been a crowd of angry African-American New Yorkers, including some elected officials, at the New York Post offices calling for an apology or a shutting down of the paper and a boycotting of advertisers. From the comments on camera, it is clear to me that their perception is that Obama was being likened to a chimpanzee. Few things can raise the righteous wrath of our African-American brothers and sisters faster than that…and I can hardly blame them. I am not inside the head of the cartoonist or the Post editors. I do not know the true intentions of either. But I will say that I would expect them to have had a more sensible perception of the kind of reaction that could be given to that cartoon by a whole lot of people. Well, they sure are getting it now. The Post is known as a conservative paper. In my opinion, they sure didn’t help our cause with that move.

17. dans
    February 19th, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

    Wolv,

    So Cheetah, Miss Baker, and Bonzo are no-no’s for the next 4 years ?

    Sounds like what the Danish paper went through doesn’t it, guess there is now a new prophet on the block ?

18. Wolverine
    February 20th, 2009 @ 12:11 am

    Dans, big difference in my opinion:

    Cartoon in NY Post: You’re talking about the sensibilities of our fellow citizens. I can get just as angry as them when someone refers to me generically as a “honkey”, a “cracker”, or a “redneck” (Jeff Foxworthy excluded).

    Cartoon in Denmark: You’re talking about a cold-blooded killer around whose throat I wouldn’t mind getting my fingers.

    I’m not talking censorship with regard to the Post. I’m talking about thinking a little harder before making a move. I still cannot believe the editors let that one get through. They had to have known. My God, they live right there in Al Sharpton’s hometown!

19. Rachelfriend
    February 20th, 2009 @ 12:14 am

    Wolverine, I disagree. I know what you’re saying, but I just disagree. As I said, the black bear bothered me more than that cartoon, but I didn’t even write anything about it because I didn’t want to take offense just to be taking offense (without any evidence whatsoever, except “feelings”). There should be a lot more proof involved in thinking there’s a slight before people take to the streets. I also think that there’s a subset of people who’ve figured out how to get attention and make money and it has very little to do with racial sensitivity. Black people in general really are not that sensitive to negative stereotypes. Just listen to the Tom Joyner morning show for an extended period of time and you’ll see what I mean.

    Frankly, this is utterly rediculous. Where were these people who are protesting in the streets when Pelosi tried to increase funding for abortions (and ACTUALLY JUSTIFY IT AS SAVING MONEY)? Millions of African American babies have been aborted over the last 30 years and someone wants to SAVE MONEY by making it easier to kill more babies and there are no protests, but a cartoonist draws a cartoon illustrating a chimp being shot right after a chimp was actually shot and there are people in the streets? I’m sorry, I’m not worried about a bunch of people ranting and raving in the streets about a cartoon and I don’t think the NY Post should be either. I’m more upset about the chimp that was really shot. My African American brothers and sisters need to get a grip and realize that they’re protesting against a cartoon when their financial futures are being plundered by LIMOUSINE LIBERALS flying back and forwards across the country and AROUND THE GLOBE! If they really think this country is so racist, who do they think will be the first people laid off when more and more businesses go under as their Democratic leaders squander what little money we have left?

    Maybe I just have used that monkey/chimp/keyboard imagery too much so that I got it right away, but I thought it was pretty funny, harmless, and accruate…a monkey on a keyboard could have come up with a better bill than that stimulus plan. At least it probably wouldn’t have included the hidden agenda items (abortion funding (originally included), the seeds of nationalized health care, etc.) and I’m almost positive it would have been under 780+ BILLION dollars. Eric Holder said that Americans are cowards about race. Was he right? I think he was, but not for the reasons he gave (and I think he’s in the wrong position to give that speech).

    If President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barney Frank can squander TRILLIONS of dollars and get away with it, the NY Post should be able to publish a (perhaps) insensitive cartoon and get away with it. If protesters in NY make more of this then they should, then shame on them. They’re just lucky Pelosi wasn’t in office when they were being conceived.

20. Wolverine
    February 20th, 2009 @ 12:23 am

    I take part of that last back: The guy whose throat I would like to get is a “disciple” of the guy in the Danish cartoon. Maybe there was some similarity between the two incidents after all. In any case, I definitely vote to retire Bonzo, Cheetah, and Miss Baker. Nothing but grief can come out of any of that. I’m sure Mike Steele and Thomas Sowell would feel the same way.

21. Kevin
    February 20th, 2009 @ 12:26 am

    dans,
    That’s a totally unfair comparison and you know better.

22. Wolverine
    February 20th, 2009 @ 1:06 am

    Rachelfriend — I couldn’t agree with you more about the abortion thing, the stimulus, and a whole lot of other things. I share your frustrations. Somehow we have got to get our message across to more people, including our African-American citizens. So, how is that effort helped by things like the Post cartoon, whatever the actual intentions of its author might have been? Seems to me like we shot ourselves needlessly in the foot at a time when we all should be getting smarter about this thing.

    I really don’t care about the ulterior motives of some of those in front of the NY Post offices. I understand your point in that regard. But the fact of the matter is that news spreads fast in this country, especially when the MSM can slant it against all of us; and in this instance we built the platform from which it is being broadcast. Not very smart in my book.

    Excuse my persistence in this, but it is a very sensitive subject for me. I’m not African-American; but for some very personal reasons I get as angry as they do at unwarranted racial slurs. Unlike many other people, I spent a number of years with guys the color of Obama protecting my back. My life was literally in their hands. In that particular lifestyle the color of your skin is the absolute least concern. The only color of concern is red and making sure that it does not run. Kinda of hard to get away from that once it grabs you. You can imagine what I once said to an angry blogger elsewhere who dared to refer to Obama as “Sambo.” No, no, not around me you don’t.

23. Cathymac
    February 20th, 2009 @ 9:38 am

    The flip side of the race debate (cartoon) is what Eric Holder said – we are all cowards when it comes to race in the ountry. You can’t mention race politely, frankly, impolitely, nicely, etc, etc if you are Conservative or Republican because you are automatically a racist. I’m tired of being called a racist and am more outraged at the audacity of Holder’s stmt then the cartoon. The cartoon was stupid but I have no idea if it’s author’s intentions were racist. The automatic assumption that they are is the problem. Where was the outcry when Condolezza Rice was portrayed as a monkey in a very racist cartoon? Al Sharpton stayed home.

    Basically, if Al Sharpton is protesting a person, place or thing – I know it is bogus because he is one of the biggest hypocrites and racists I know.

24. dans
    February 20th, 2009 @ 10:34 am

    Rachelfriend , someone did make a comment about that re the bear being black :

    http://novatownhall.com/2009/02/11/internet-email-to-share-source-unknown/#comment-20056

25. ACTivist
    February 20th, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

    Wolverine and Rachelfriend,

    I’ve watched this most of my life and seen this coming during the election. Many Negroes feel put upon and discriminated against. The ones I have befriended are just people and moving forward with whatever is thrown at them (just like me). Others have been indoctrinated to hate all other races and feel they are owed something. In comes BHO and all of a sudden the world will be set straight-finally. BHO: the messiah who will unify; where race is not an issue. Really?

    Every race, whether Caucasoid, Negroid or Mongoloid has a percentage that are truly racists and promote racism. Is it right? No. As a matter of fact it is very unnecessary but it still exists. When MLK was alive, racism was going to the twilight. Since his death, it has become worse than ever amongst Negroes. Listen to the way some of them call each other racists names or work it into comedy skits. But it’s only funny when they do it to themselves which, in my opinion, is promoting it and keeping it alive.

    I have not seen this controversial cartoon nor do I care to. Just like I don’t drive slowly past an auto accident to see what has happened. I personally will not get caught-up and become a party to this type of behavior. My mother was correct when she told me to remember the “sticks and stones..” line. I do not allow myself to be phased by such immaturity nor should anyone else. Ignorance is the presiding Congress and Executive branch and they will promote division for all Americans-don’t follow their lead!

    BTW I hate PC when it comes to “hyphenated” citizens. If I must describe a race I use the proper scientific term. Otherwise we are ALL Americans-period! My feet are now off the soapbox.

26. Wolverine
    February 20th, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

    Funny how one subject so often leads into a debate on another in these blogs. In my original post I really did not want to generate a discussion of racism in America and the counterreactions to it. I then sort of fell into my own trap….a personal thing, I guess, like I said before.

    Although I did find the cartoon reprehensible from a personal viewpoint, I originally cited it purely for reasons of political strategy and tactics. The potential reaction to such things as that cartoon is out there. It plays a role in our society whether we like it or not. And there will always be someone out there on the other side just waiting to pounce on our mistakes when we fail to take the realities into account.

    My original post pertained only to the political war we are facing. Maybe I could have put the message more effectively somehow. I don’t know. But, anyway, let me repeat the point for one last time:

    In my estimation, we are in an internal political war unlike any other we have ever seen. It has become truly an ideological war. Study and understand the realities around you. Know especially the opposing forces and their possible reactions to any action you might take. Anticipate. Anticipate. Anticipate. And, above all, do not do something stupid and unnecessary which puts a loaded weapon into the hands of that opposition. The battle is damned hard enough without us helping to arm the other side by failing to think ahead.

    Now, some contend that this is no big thing; that it will blow over; that the protests are led by those with ulterior motives; that it is all part of a larger vendetta against the Post etc., etc., etc. Others state that the cartoon was somehow misconstrued and should have been easily seen by one and all for what it really meant. Maybe so.

    I contend on the other hand that an “army” which ignores its own mistakes will continue to make them. I conclude by repeating that the opposition has a powerful ally, the MSM. They will use that ally endlessly to scorch us at every turn. Why pass them the ammunition?

    May I quote here the opening line from an MSNBC piece by Xana O’Neil: “The New York Post issued a mea culpa a day after a cartoon it published likened President Obama to a chimp and drew a firestorm of criticism.”

    You like the spin in that opening paragraph? Sure, the piece did include a brief reference to the Post’s statements of the true meaning of the cartoon…just before allowing the protesters to voice their views. The MSM has no compunction about nailing us any way they can. How about we stop giving them the nails? Yeah, sure, this cartoon thing will blow over; but only if we learn something from the mistake.

27. Rachelfriend
    February 21st, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

    Wolverine, we disagree on this issue, because we come from two different perspectives. I used to be a black liberal and now I’m a black conservative. I know what it took to make that transition. Republicans loving me to death and never offending me didn’t do it, I can tell you that. Perhaps you’re right that the NY Post should have thought a second time before publishing that cartoon, but without it there wouldn’t be blacks right now who are seriously wondering why on earth any African Americans choose to get upset over something like this when there’s so much going on in the world that we should really be concerned about. That’s the way black conservatives come to be Wolverine: they’re forged, they don’t normally see open arms from conservatives and feel comfortable with the transition.

    The protesters holding up signs know that the economic policies being put into place right now are the product of a Democratic leadership (House/Senate/White House) that’s about as schizophrenic as a chimpanzee whacked out on Prozac, chocolate, and wine. Those protesters wouldn’t put it that way, because some people would ignore the true message and focus on the “safest” interpretation (for them), but that’s the way it really is.

    By the way, I LOVED the Rick Santelli CNBC Chicago Tea Party video because it very clearly spoke to the laughable (if it weren’t so painful) nature of the economic policies of this administration. I only wish they were serious about holding one.

28. G. Stone
    February 21st, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

    Is it time to say I told you so ?

    The Obama presidency is becoming blind wishful thinking squared.

    Yes We can !!
    Yes We…..
    Yes……
    Ye……. Oh shit what have we done.

    Here is the bottom line. This guy, our president is a leftist, a believer. On top of being a believer of a wrong headed flawed thesis, he is a terrible executive. He has never managed anything in his life. His ignorance of free market economics is unbelievable.Why is anyone surprised ?

    Be scared, very scared. Our president is not only a socialist in a really nice suit, but a guy in over his head being led around by his nose.

29. Wolverine
    February 21st, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

    Rachelfriend — The first two paras of your last post were among the most interesting and illuminating I have encountered on any blog in a long time. I am very curious, however, about your actual transition period, which seems to me to portend for all of us a most vital plateau in this ideological battle. Casting aside the unfortunate use of the word “coward”, did Eric Holder’s admonition re talking to each other about race apply to your personal situation? Did non-Black conservatives and you ever openly discuss current race relations and how best to solve them or was there always a discreet silence on that issue? What would be your own suggestions in that regard?

    One of the reasons I ask is because of what I encountered among close friends and colleagues during many years in Africa. Interdependence in the seeking of common but very dangerous goals can create a very astounding interpersonal climate. Unlike most American Blacks of my acquaintance, I found many Africans quite open to so-called racial conversations during our relatively quiet periods. I cannot count how many times I was asked to explain the history of Black-White relations in America and especially the perceived American compliance with the Europeans during the African colonial period. What shocked me was that America, although scolded for many of our past attitudes and actions, was actually given credit for the progress in the last half of the 20th century. It was not just a matter of MLK, et al. The memory of John F. Kennedy, for instance, has long been absolutely cherished by many Africans, primarily for his support of rights for American Blacks.

    Moreover, the more we talked, the more we actually found some very common ground. The problem I had to address was the American aspect of all this. What they confided to me was an eerily similar distress caused by their own peculiar problems. While my subject was almost totally racial, theirs was long-standing tribal antagonism and, in some cases, religious rivalry. Some were even open enough to voice concern about discrimination amongst themselves based on skin tone and lesser Negroid facial features. After awhile, it became as if we were just a bunch of friends floundering in a very similar pot of hot water and trying to find a way out before it was too late.

    As I look back at it now, I was the one who came out of it on the plus side. While looking back at the bad things such as slavery, Jim Crow, race riots in the North, Bull Connor,and the K.K.K., I now see many American Blacks who are educated and in the same middle class with me; and, much as I profoundly disagree with his politics and ideology, I see a guy in the Oval Office who reminds me in his very looks of those friends of mine from long ago. My friends, on the other hand, are still in that hot water; and my personal distress comes very much from looking back at what has happened in places like Sierra Leone and Liberia and what is currently happening in the Congo, Rwanda, and other places and wondering how many of my former friends have survived to be my age. It saddens me to no end, no less than if they had been blood family. Saddens my better half as well, since many young police officers once considered her almost as their second mother.

    In any case, I would personally consider any guidance from you on a subject such as this to be very welcome. We badly need it. As for me, I spent my life as a “warrior” in a variety of capacities. To me a war is the sum total of a series of battles. You learn from each battle. You examine the errors and apply that education to the next battle. Winning very often means you ultimately run the table or very close to it. You do not stop learning and get smug about past victories. But you also recognize that an army is made up of different parts, all critical; and when you raise the flag on that final hill, there are a lot of different hands hoisting that flagpole. Thanks much for your input on this.

30. Had Enough
    February 21st, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

    “Yes We can !!” He couldn’t even be original in a campaign slogan or was he trying to impress others?

    I thought that the citizens of this country would have remembered that “Yes We can” is the slogan of the illegals that marched by the thousands in our streets a few years ago demanding to be legalized and demanding the arrests and raids stop.

    BHO was in Chicago during those marches, he was with the illegals, he gave them a pep talk. I wonder why he chose their signature slogan?

31. Lovisa
    February 21st, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

    Wolverine

    I can’t tell you how much I enjoy and appreciate your thoughtful comments. Maybe you have a book coming out. Your background is fascinating, not only because of geography, but because you have been absorbing so many things most of us have not. Keep writing! I’ll be reading.

    Rachelfriend = you keep writing too. So very interesting. Is there anything more interesting than people?

32. squiddy
    February 22nd, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

    Rachelfriend – I know, I *loved* that “Tea Party” segment – ok, so maybe I’m a little disappointed, too, that they’re not actually going to have one – but it does cheer me up to see I’m not alone in my beliefs about what’s happened and is happening. Seeing real people as angry and disgusted as I am is reassuring – sometime I think I’m just some crank – perhaps I am, but at least, I’m not a lone crank …

    As for the cartoon business, I had the same reaction as you, I think – I didn’t interpret it as having any racial reference, just a topical event reference – but it does occur to me that the author may well have been thinking something racially offensive, and I just took it differently.

    I’m torn by this kind of thing – I dislike it when society tears into people with “non-conformist” views to the point that ultimately makes us self-censor. But I really don’t care for those who seek to profit from these divisions (in this case, racial, but there are such charlatans along any societal fault line), and I hate giving them fodder.

    And, especially, I see how many of the “Left” operate – they’ll happily throw this kind of thing in our face to put us on the defensive, so they don’t have to talk about the governmental policies not only in the bills passed so far (the stimulus and S-CHIP bills), but what these bills indicate about the direction of our government. The new government motto may be something like “To Oppress and Serve” or “We’re Here To Help – Whether You Like It Or Not.”

    Anyway, things like this are used by our opponents to change the subject – and once we begin discussing it, they’ve succeeded in their goal. I’ve seen this tactic used again and again – and this thread is a perfect example of it at work. For example, you can’t criticize the Stimulus bill with some people without “Iraq” or the phrase “the Last 8 Years” thrown back at you.

    Anyway, I second Lovisa’s comment, I hope to hear more from yourself and Wolverine, too.

33. Rachelfriend
    February 22nd, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

    Wolverine, I appreciate your statement and I am always interested in reading about your experiences. They are unique (at least in my experience) and they give me plenty of food for thought.

    I’ve never really had a conversation with a non-black conservative specifically focused on race relations (that I can remember). Although I tend to think it’s because I personally don’t like discussing “race relations” outside of the context of a specific situation, I’m aware that it’s also probably because others don’t like to discuss them that way either. If I’m really honest, I’m guessing it’s also because I’m always so vocal about my feelings regarding the right and wrong of things that people usually don’t have to ask me what I think…they have to ask me to stop telling them.

    My problem with what Eric Holder said is that I think it skirts a discussion of the real issues that are presented so many times as “racial problems” when they are really moral, ethical, or non-racial social problems. Focusing on race is the easy way out in some respects. If problems persist, then someone yells “race” and people walk away because that’s deemed unsolvable. If Mr. Holder were forced to address the real problems we face head-on, he’d have a much clearer (although harder) job ahead of him and there would be true accountability. He also wouldn’t be very popular in some corners and wouldn’t be embraced by liberal Democrats. I just think that Mr. Holder, and people who think the way he does, don’t see that “racial” issues can’t really be addressed without pro-actively addressing moral, ethical, and non-racial social issues. Working on the last three problems almost always results in an environment where race matters less and successful individuals or communities matter more.

34. Rachelfriend
    February 22nd, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

    Lovisa, thanks for the comment. I do try to bring a new perspective (even if it’s a contrarian one). I also agree with you that Wolverine should write a book!

    Squiddy, overall I agree with you! Concerning losing focus and being thrown off-track though, I still think that some situations serve a purpose not intended by the instigators (in this example, that would be either the cartoonist/NY Post, or Al Sharpton and his supporters). For example, I became a conservative right after the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas blowup (I started listening to Limbaugh because I was strongly against Clarence Thomas and I wanted to hear what the “other side” was saying). I’m guessing no one involved (including myself) could see that that situation would transform my thinking, but it did and I’m actually so grateful that that very negative public event took place. That situation gave me an opportunity to get a glimpse of how political games are played, how they are viewed by the public, and in particular how they are viewed and used by the Democratic Party and its supporters. Up until that point, in general I’d only ever seen or heard negative statements about Republicans and positive statements about Democrats and I was pretty shocked to discover they weren’t all true. I hold out hope that over the last week someone else saw what happened in NY and started to have their thinking transformed as well.

35. Wolverine
    February 22nd, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

    Squiddy — You are spot on in general terms concerning the old tactic of changing the subject, diverting the discussion, and bringing in the blame game as a counter. My own difference is that, if you express your honest and sincere opposition to something and give the rationale behind your position, I will be the first to stand beside you against attempts at censorship, against any inclination toward self-censorship; and against any Opposition effort to divert attention through the blame game. I do object, however, to having to do the same when someone says something which is essentially not very savvy, putting me in a position of possibly having to expend ammunition which could be used more profitably elsewhere. However, I have to admit that Rachelfriend may have a point about certain others finally waking up to what is really going on. I certainly hope that may be the case.

    Rachelfriend — You keep right on talking. I’m listening.

    Lovisa — You really are a peach! What can I say to get you, in the old African parliamentary parlance, to “cross the carpet”?

36. Cathymac
    February 23rd, 2009 @ 11:21 am

    Another perspective on the Holder stmt from Allen West (one of my heroes):

    http://www.allenwestforcongress.com/blog.php

    Rachelfriend, have you read Clarence Thomas’ autobiography? His description of his confirmation hearings is something everyone should read.

37. ACTivist
    February 23rd, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

    Rachelfriend,

    “Wolverine, I appreciate your statement and I am always interested in reading about your experiences. They are unique (at least in my experience) and they give me plenty of food for thought.”

    This is beginning to sound like “NOVATownHall Dateline”. I can probably get you two an intro. I would say that I was interested but I have already had to turn down Cathymac so, sorry.

    “I just think that Mr. Holder, and people who think the way he does, don’t see that “racial” issues can’t really be addressed without pro-actively addressing moral, ethical, and non-racial social issues.”

    I couldn’t agree more. I would further state that the racial issues would be all but moot if you discussed the other 3 first. That is people dealing with people.

38. Cathymac
    February 24th, 2009 @ 9:33 am

    “I can probably get you two an intro. I would say that I was interested but I have already had to turn down Cathymac so, sorry.”

    HA!

39. Rachelfriend
    February 25th, 2009 @ 3:06 am

    “I can probably get you two an intro. I would say that I was interested but I have already had to turn down Cathymac so, sorry.”

    I’m sorry I beat you to it ACTivist…Wolverine really does have unique and interesting experiences, doesn’t he?

    Cathymac: Thanks for the link to the Allen West website. Also, I had not read Clarence Thomas’ memoir, but I’ve just ordered it. I’ve read the reviews and it looks like it will be an eye-opener. I better not say any more or ACTivist will threaten to introduce us.

40. Cathymac
    February 25th, 2009 @ 9:42 am

    Information on planning your own “tea party” :

    http://theconservativerevolution.com/freedomworks/how-to-organize-your-own-tea-party-protest/

41. ACTivist
    February 25th, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

    Rachelfriend,

    “I better not say any more or ACTivist will threaten to introduce us.”

    I would never do that only because I am a selfish person and wish to keep you both as options if I need to find another Mrs. ACTivist in the future!

    And, yes. I agree with you on Wolverene. I believe that the next “gathering” needs to have an extended invite. I surely would like to get Wolv out of his lair but only if he promised not to kick my butt on GP’s.

42. Rachelfriend
    March 2nd, 2009 @ 7:47 am

    I didn’t get to post this last week (work took me away), but I ran across this site and I think the woman who writes this blog summed up my thinking on what it would take to motivate more black Americans (and perhaps white Americans as well) to actively support the conservative agenda:

    http://blog.afroconservative.com/2009/02/22/taking-back-the-sacred-pulpit.aspx

    If you’re not a religious conservative, then this won’t matter to you (or perhaps you won’t agree), but from my point of view it seems that many of our religious leaders have gone astray. Since they’re the 2nd most listened to voice in the black community (behind entertainers), their opinions and attitudes are very influential in instilling the notion that conservatives are anti-minority, anti-poor, etc.

    If you’re preached against from the pulpit of the church, there’s very little chance those church members will support you. The question is, how do you begin influencing pastors to preach honestly about conservatives and their core values? The protesters who have come out on the tax issue are great, but the social agenda of the new administration is probably equally as important, if not more important, than their economic agenda. I wonder if the protests will begin to change once that becomes more obvious to more and more Americans?

43. Cathymac
    March 2nd, 2009 @ 9:04 am

    “Activist the Flirt”

    RF, I will look at the site you posted today, this topic is one that is of much interest to me.

44. ACTivist
    March 3rd, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

    Cathymac,

    I’m not a flirt-I’m lively!

45. ACTivist
    March 3rd, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

    Rachelfriend,

    “it seems that many of our religious leaders have gone astray.”

    Agreed. They talk about current events but some “step in it” by persuading their flock to back certain initiatives. My pastor relays that abortion is murder, marraige is between a man and a woman-spiritual things. The only time he has asked the congregation to get involved with ANY political issue was in favor of vouchers so that members could get some of their hard earned money back instead of being charged twice (once for public school and once for private). The pastor’s mission is to give me the tools to save my soul and help my fellow man. I have left many a church for reasons other than that.

46. Wolverine
    March 3rd, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

    The churches aside, there is something that really mystifies me about Black politics and Black leaders in this country. Of all our ethnic groups, Blacks seem to have been hit especially hard by a loss of jobs and opportunities to illegal immigrants. So, why are the Black leadership and, indeed, all Blacks not standing with us forcefully on the issue of illegal immigration?

    I have seen this kind of thing happen in Africa. People moving from one tribal region to another or from one country to another have often tried to carve out certain types of jobs as their own. There was an uneasy but essentially accepting peace during the good times; but, when the economy as a whole began to suffer, one saw a very visible backlash against those non-locals who were taking jobs which “belonged” to the native people of the region or country. (Sadly, the backlash was sometimes violent.)

    Why there isn’t some kind of significant political backlash among our Black brothers and sisters against their own losses of opportunity is a real mystery to me. A couple of years ago, for instance, the trucks which came to pick up my trash were all manned by Blacks, with a few White kids mixed in while earning money for school. They were darned good and efficient workers with nary a complaint from me or my neighbors. Of a sudden, however, the ethnic makeup of the crews changed exclusively to Hispanic. I could find no evidence of a backlash in our Black community against this loss of jobs. (There may have been one somewhere, because the crews are now back to being Black. I still cannot find evidence of a protest, however. I suspect the employer may have just awakened to the potential legal ramifications on his own.)

    Also at issue are the construction jobs in places like Loudoun County. Many of these jobs are now or (before the economic troubles) were overwhelmingly in the hands of recent Hispanic immigrants. If there is a big problem in our region as a whole, it is the high level of unemployment among young Blacks. One would think that, with the Job Corps and other training measures, these young Blacks would have been moving into the semi-skilled and skilled construction job arena. Some have, but not nearly enough to make a serious dent in the overall problem. Where is the Black political protest? If I saw it, such a protest would have my solid support up and down the line, even if construction costs might rise as a result of success. This is a socio-economic problem crying out for solutions. Those are OUR kids who do NOT have the jobs!

    Finally, the mystery or all mysteries. I have been watching for some time now the illegal immigrant situation in Los Angeles especially. I have watched as the Latino gangs have focused on the Black communities in L.A. and how, in some areas, to be a young Black is to walk around with a bull’s eye on your back. Witness, for example, that young high school football star in central L.A. — so good he was sure to get a full ride to Southern Cal or a similar school — who was gunned down not too long ago by a Latino gang. To me the situation in central L.A. over the last couple of years has come to seem like a deliberate “ethnic cleansing.” Do I see the Black politicians and other leaders in full cry about it? Not much. What I do see is a Black reversion to self-protection through the likes of the Bloods and Crips and the possibility of a civil war on the streets.

    I ask again: Where is the Black leadership in all of this? Is Bill Cosby right when he says that the so-called “poverty pimps” in that leadership would rather see the Black population in dire straits so their personal access to money and political power does not diminish? If that is the case, our Black citizens, in my opinion, are allowing themselves to be betrayed. I’m not a Black guy. I’m a White guy. Why is it that I am angrier than the Blacks themselves about how the Blacks are being screwed from all sides? Something isn’t right here. I am ready for battle on your behalf, and the rest of you aren’t even showing up. Can we talk about this, please? I’m on your side.

47. ACTivist
    March 3rd, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

    Wolvereine,

    I have observed over the years something similar. I have also noticed that the Negroes were upset at the onset of Hispanics because they lost their status as “minority”. Since the influx of Hispanics keep coming, that minority status has been regained but at the cost of jobs. What I’ve read and most Hispanics that I have talked to don’t like Negroes. Talk about a racial predjudice! Conversely, very few Negores have problems with Hispanics because they see them as a “fellow” minority. I’m a minority conservative but I don’t align myself with a minority skinhead. Pretty soon Caucasians will be the minority in America and that is fine as long as there is work. Prejudice is still thrown my direction but that is not my problem. It is an individual issue. What percentile I am doesn’t buy me a cup of coffee. It’s about GOD and your fellow man. This is what leadership of color should always be focusing on. For some reason it seems that alot of leadership of color are pitting race againest race. To what end?

48. Had Enough
    March 4th, 2009 @ 1:06 am

    Blacks such as Messy Jesse Jackson and Al Podium Sharpton are making it very difficult for the Black community, they encourage uniting with Hispanics and never listen to the hardships they are causing. They only want to double their following to help achieve their agendas.

    There is a Black man and several of his friends in DC that have attempted countless times to talk with worthless, pandering Eleanor Norton Holmes about the illegal problem in DC, she won’t talk to him.

    Terry Anderson from LA went to her office with him, as they stood in the hallway at her door they saw her walking around in a back office. When they introduced themselves they were told that she was not in after they had advised her weeks ahead that they would be there on that day at that time. They told the person that they had just seen her, they were told that they must be mistaken. Holmes and all DC officials refer to everyone as “Residents,” the term citizen is never used even when it comes to jobs that are created.

    There are countless Blacks that are outraged over the illegal situation, some are working hard to network and show their outrage.

    Terry Anderson is in LA, he has been fighting for almost 20 years against illegals. If you click the link to his past shows I believe there was a show where this was discussed in January (1st or 2nd show of the month). You should click the link to his email if you have the stomach (very vile, hateful and threatening).

    Terry’s show is on Sunday night (or Monday morning depending on your preference) at 12:00am (midnight) our time, it is worth listening.

    http://www.theterryandersonshow.com

    Some of you may have met him, he was in Herndon several years ago.

    This is an old quote of Terry’s, around 2001:

    “TERRY ANDERSON TELLS NEWSDAY REPORTER KATIE THOMAS WHY BLACK LEADERS SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

    “Black leaders today, and I am going to be very blunt about this, they hate white people so much, they will sell out their own people to try to displace you people from power.” — July 16, 2001.”

    This is when Terry, Ezola Foster & others testified to congress in 1999 about the illegals:

    HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju62494.000/hju62494_0f.htm

    Ted Hayes is another black activist in CA against illegals:

    Blacks see threat from Hispanic illegal aliens

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/may/15/20060515-122823-4841r/

    I have a Black friend in construction that brought the subject up about a year ago when he noticed that there were no Blacks or whites on any of the job sites in the area he had been on. He was trying to form a group to fight day laborers.

    One problem is, and it is a very big problem, most will not protest or make a scene for fear of being seen by a past or potential employers that hire illegals for fear of retaliation or not being hired, etc. I have heard similar from white construction workers.

    If a company hires illegals, sees a man protesting illegals, then that man applies for a job, they may think that person will report them to ICE, etc. Soooo, the citizens are not protesting or speaking up about it.

    The Black community has taken notice, little by little they are joining forces.

49. Rachelfriend
    March 4th, 2009 @ 8:36 am

    Wolverine…Cosby was right.

    The black community is caught in a Catch 22, and doesn’t know how (or is afraid) to properly address it, so it does nothing. Black “leaders” consistently portray people who are not “of color” as oppressive and exploitive (unless they openly embrace a radical left agenda), and it portrays people “of color” as the oppressed. They’ve got that message packaged so tightly that anything that shows it to be a lie is immediately either ignored or attacked. So, even though black youth are among the first to lose jobs when illegal immigrants enter a community, in general our national leaders don’t protest because to do so would start unraveling that tight package they’ve put together. Young black Americans in general don’t protest, because they’ve been fed the “people of color vs. conservative white America” mantra for so long that they: 1) actually do believe it, and 2) in general don’t have the education and experience to actually know how to challenge it.

    I’m well aware of the prejudice in the Hispanic community towards people with black or native American ancestry. I have Hispanic relatives and have no doubt that it’s real, based on personal experience. However, most black Americans don’t have that experience. Our community was fed a lie by our leaders when the illegal immigration issue first became prominant that we should promote solidarity with illegal immigrants who are Hispanic because of our shared experiences (oppression at the hands of Europeans). Unfortunately, this all happened during a period of relative prosperity in our country and so there was less pain felt in the black community. In that environment, how do blacks protest illegal immigration, which is detrimental to our nation and the black community in general, without openly acknowledging that they’ve been lied to and led astray by black (and white) leaders who support illegal immigration? It can’t be done without a lot of pain and embarassment, and that’s the last thing black people want to deal with. It’s easier to pretend the problem doesn’t exist, and focus on other issues, like “negative” cartoons.

    Unless black Americans leave behind the lies they’ve been told, the fear of embarassment at being called “conservative”, and the belief in Socialist policies that don’t benefit us one bit but sound good and look good on paper, there won’t be many blacks protesting illegal immigration.

50. The Bulletproof Monk
    March 4th, 2009 @ 8:44 am

    Some of you really have to go apply for work in southern Texas. If you really want to experience the full brunt of reverse discrimination, try it sometime.

51. Lovisa
    March 4th, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

    #48 – HE

    Oh, yes, I remember it well. I was there! No, I didn’t meet Terry! No, no, no -

    Terry Anderson, Chris Simcox (Tombstone’s Minutemen big shot at the time) and others at The Minutemen’s big evening at Herndon Middle School. The newly formed Minutemen group in Herndon had recently been formed under the leadership of George Taplin who, BTW, received an award from Simcox or some top person. (You remember how diligently the Herndon Minutemen photographed and catalogued laborers and picker-uppers by the Herndon 7-11, don’t you? They continued their vigil at the Day Laborer Center, once it opened).

    HE – enjoy your evenings with Terry Anderson!

    Taplin became rather famous being quoted in several magazines (The Economist for one)and interviewed in radio and on TV; later chief for the whole state of Virginia Minutemen.

    Terry is a member, might even have started CBA (Choose Black America. The Tom Hayes HE mentions is “a black LA based homeless activist” (Washington Times May 15 2006) This groups organized meetings titled “Hold their Feet to the Fire”.

    Terry gave a speech at Crawford, Texas in June 2006 blasting George Bush for amnesty

52. Cathymac
    March 4th, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

    RF, I’d love to give you a handshake for your thoughtful input on this thread.

53. Cathymac
    March 4th, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

    Better to say “shake your hand” rather than “give you a handshake” – it sounded kind of awkward!

54. ACTivist
    March 4th, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

    Rachelfriend,

    ” It can’t be done without a lot of pain and embarassment, and that’s the last thing black people want to deal with.”

    I think this applies to ALL people that make mistakes and are unwilling to own up to them and make amends. This is the “foot-in-mouth” illness of which honesty and integrity are the cure. I use this in my household and with whomever I interact with in my daily life. I tend to use this example for those with this disease as well as liars:

    What harm does it do to admit when you are wrong? If the consequence is anything other than they can kill you for it, then it is easy to accept.

    When man learns to humble himself, these issues will cease to exist.

55. Had Enough
    March 4th, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

    Lo, you have sunk about as low as you can go. CBA is not racist in any way, shape or form, you are attempting to falsely identify it and anyone involved with it as such which is typical of you. Terry Anderson, Ted Hayes and Rev. Jesse Peterson are the farthest thing from racists (I am not familiar with the others involved, but if they were racists in any way those 3 guys would not have had anything to do with it), they are Black men who have the courage to stand up to Illegal Immigration because it is depressing the Black community and ruining this country for everyone. Sorry to tell you but they fight for all citizens of this country whether you are Black, White, Hispanic, Chinese, etc. because they love this country and see where it is going.

    After the Marches in spring of 2006 when hundreds of thousands of Illegals marched in our streets, You Don’t Speak for Me, a self-described American Hispanic citizen coalition and Choose Black America, described as a “coalition of leading black academics, clerics, community activists and others, who came together to represent the unique concerns that their communities have in the immigration debate.” No African American organizations were represented in this “coalition.” These groups were launched by FAIR (the Federation for American Immigration Reform).

    Black and Hispanics citizens can form counter-groups to the Illegals to protest and express their dissatisfaction with what is going on in this country, but Whites can’t. I can’t form Choose White America or White’s Against Amnesty for Illegals or Whites are Losing Jobs to Illegals. Those two groups were formed to bring attention to how their communities were being harmed by Illegal Immigration.

    FAIR describing CBA: “While American Hispanics grew increasingly concerned about the widespread portrayal of amnesty for illegal aliens as a ‘Hispanic issue,’ American blacks were also growing alarmed at the impact that mass immigration and unchecked illegal immigration were having on their own communities and the failure of the recognized black leadership in American to advocate on behalf of their interests.Increasingly, black citizens were seeking representation in the national immigration debate and they, too, turned to FAIR for assistance.”

    Ted Hayes: “We choose the title of “Choose Black America” not as a Black racial-racist, separatist group, or even having a Black Nationalist agenda, but rather as a counter point to the racist strategies of the proponents of illegal immigration and amnesty, such as La Razs, Mecha, LULAC, MALDEF and the other so-called Latino, Hispanic, Chicano, Mechistas , et al.

    It is these groups that have labeled any American, especially Whites who resist their efforts of illegal invasion of our nation as racist pigs, nazis, fascist, hate mongering Europeans, et al.

    Blacks who resist illegal immigration are considered and openly called by these groups as niggers, black niggers, White man niggers, house slaves, “Uncle Toms”, etc.

    Choose now “flips-the-script” as only a Black oriented-led organization and movement can.

    The way that we “flip-this-script” is by putting the issue in the face of the American peoples, despite their race or color!

    “Flipping the script” forces a conscious decision to be made by the Congress, and the President to choose to either give the away bounties of this nation to foreign nationals with citizenship already in their own countries, but illegally within ours; or finish the unfinished business of the Civil Rights Movements of American Black US citizens protected by the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, Fifteenth Amendments and the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

    Which will it be America, Illegal Aliens or American Black US citizens? ”

    I don’t see anything racist in Ted’s remarks, I’m sure you will find something.

    I presume you stalk the Minutemen just as the illegals do, it is our right to be minutemen if we choose. If they had not formed nationwide (and still forming groups) there would have been half the action to stop the Illegals and no fence. I’m not a big fan of Simcox, but there are many decent citizens involved. We have a right to know who enters this country, where they are from, if they a criminals and what their intentions are. How well were you checked out? This country can not sustain unchecked and excessive immigration whether it is legal or not. In the 60’s we only allowed 100,000 a year, Teddy Chappaquiddick saw to it that over a million are allowed entry a year plus 138,000 visas a month, then add the Illegals that sneak across the borders each night.

    I applaud Ted Hayes for starting as “a black LA based homeless activist” who has become very active in politics because he saw the homeless Blacks on the street that had lost their jobs and homes to the Illegals, he like Terry has seen their communities and jobs vanish.

    Bush did not get “blasted” enough for his attempts to continue legalizing Illegals over and over. If you think Bush caught hell, just wait until the Usurper begins to fulfill his promises to LaRaza, et al, to legalize the Illegals, that is if he is still in the white house (the Military and state representative lawsuits are piling up).

    With your attitude maybe we should stop immigration completely if you are the mindset of immigrants.

56. Lovisa
    March 4th, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

    There are two FAIR

    1. Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting

    2. Federation for Immigration Reform

    I don’t believe I said the CBA is racist. However, it seems their goal is to fight Latino immigrants, because CBA states that they “steal” jobs from the Blacks. Maybe that’s not racist.

    I have to tell you though that when I heard Terry Anderson etal in Herndon, they definitely sounded “a bit” on the racist side.

    I don’t get what you mean with your last paragraph.

57. Had Enough
    March 4th, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

    There is no “Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting,” the media avoids reporting facts about Illegal Aliens and how they are affecting this country. There hasn’t been Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting for years, if there had been the Usurper wouldn’t have been elected. The media has been controlling elections for several years.

    Federation for Immigration Reform is a fact finding agency that researches and compiles statistics concerning immigration, illegal and legal. They report to congress regularly their information.

    The media didn’t report that approximately 25 citizens are killed daily by Illegal Aliens through a variety of different crimes.

    According to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual combined death toll of 9,125. That’s approximately 73,000 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    Terry Anderson, Ted Hayes and Rev. Jesse Peterson, the Minutemen, myself and millions of citizens are repulsed of the governments malfeasance when it comes to “Illegal Immigration,” Illegal means Illegal.

    It grows old hearing remarks as “I have to tell you though that when I heard Terry Anderson etal in Herndon, they definitely sounded “a bit” on the racist side.” He’s not a racist because he wants the Illegals stopped from coming over the border and we would like nothing better than seeing them return home to their home countries. Terry’s Illegal Alien problem in his state are mostly Mexicans, 80% of the Illegals are Mexicans. He wants the Illegal Africans and Haitians sent home also.

    Their ethnic group doesn’t matter because if they are Illegal Irish, German, Chinese, Mexican…….they are all Illegal and should not be here. And yes, they do take jobs from citizens.

    Terry is not a Racist, not a little bit or a lot. “Hold Their Feet To The Fire,” was created to bring it to the attention of the suits inside the beltway that we are angry, we want the laws enforced, we are sick of citizens being murdered, raped, robbed, etc. at the hands of people that are not supposed to be here in the first place.

    We are sick of paying for their kids education, their prenatal expenses, medical care, their incarceration, their lawyers and every other expense that comes with them including any diseases they bring with them. I never thought we would see Chagus in our blood supply, but it damed sure now is.

    I DON’T want Illegal Aliens sneaking over the border in the middle of the night, I DON’T want people entering the country without being checked for a criminal background, I DON’T want people entering this country without knowing what diseases they carry, I DON’T want people entering this country without knowing their intentions, criminal associations, their name and I DON’T want to pay for the associated costs involved with them. Terry, Ted and Rev. Peterson agree along with millions of other citizens.

    I am worn out from hearing that crap “compassion,” This is a country of laws, you can’t run a country on compassion. There seems to be two standards in this country, citizens must follow the law, Illegals do not but citizens must pay for it.

    Someone needs to tell Mexico to get their *&%# together and take care of their own instead of encouraging their people to sneak over the border. Just recently their president told BHO that if 500,000 or more of their people did not come here each year they would have a social crisis, it’s time they deal with it.

    They are encouraging their undesirables to sneak in the US to support their country at our expense, they give them travel kits, maps, condoms, water, etc. for the trip. They also give them a brochure that outlines how to avoid the police and how to find services when they get to their destination.

58. Lovisa
    March 4th, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

    #57 -

    I believe you have exhausted this subject.

    Get a good night’s sleep for a change!

59. Had Enough
    March 4th, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

    I always welcome the opportunity to refresh everyone’s memory of the ongoing invasion of our country that continues in force.

    Over 100 Military members from across the country, active, retired and reservists from all branches through out this country. Ranks range from Major General to enlisted. have now joined the lawsuits against the Imposter, Usurper. This is in addition to all the other lawsuits that have been and are being filed.

60. Rachelfriend
    March 7th, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

    Cathymac: thanks a lot…it didn’t sound funny the first time at all.

    ACTivist: I totally agree with you. More people have to be able to humble themselves and admit when they’ve made a mistake. It’s really hurting our country that humility is no longer considered a virtue on par with presentation, bravado, and audacity.

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