Here’s another contribution to the co-op effort to get Steve Stockman a new campaign theme for his run at the Republican nomination to the Board of Supervisors in Loudoun County, Virginia.
When Steve Stockman last held public office, we did not have all the problems we have today. That is what Steve brings to the table.
So that is why you wanted to borrow some of my family photos? Shame on you! Grandaddy was real proud of that there pick-up truck and the family picanics is Arcola. ‘Course, the only board in Loudoun County at the time was the warsh-board.
That must have been Thanksgiving dinner at ACT’s granddaddy’s place. There WAS another board in Loudoun, I understand — the one used to paddle ACT’s behind when he misbehaved. Hear tell that board was passed on to Mama on her wedding day.
Is Act the goober looking kid on the left, or the baby in the mama’s arms?
Joe, with all due respect, Steve Stockman holds a Law degree, served the county well as Board Supervisor, was a Reagan appointee and is a successful small businessman in Leesburg. You are correct, Steve has not spent his entire time in government like your candidate of choice, but to say he has been asleep for decades even though he has been active in the community and a successful small businessman is incorrect and not that funny. I found the York flyer hysterical from the perspective of a big government official laughing at a private businessman who pays the tab.
JRyan, it is interesting to hear the folks talking up Mr. Stockman.
Will they all be around to run the BoS meetings?
Mr. Stockman has not only been AWOL for the decades of Loudoun’s growth into what it is now, he’s pretty much been AWOL from any campaigning.
The lit doesn’t really count for me, because I’ve had enough phone calls on “what did Scott York do here?” “How can we hit York on this subject?” that I don’t think of it as Stcokman lit at all, but the same people who talked him into running trying to talk people into voting for him.
If Stockman is such a great candidate and the answer to every prayer (just take our word for it, no matter who we are. It doesn’t matter. Back to talking point slogan!), where the hell has he been on any issue in 20 years?
Why do some of the people calling me have no clue what has actually occurred on some of the subjects they’re seeking material of record on?
Where were THEY when some of it was happening?
It might do Stockman more good if he was catually campaigning, because the “Pam”s of this world are doing little to convince me he surpasses sliced bread.
And while I salute you for putting your name on your remarks, what weight should I attach to them on his behalf?
Barbara, since you are not even a member of the LCRC, how are you qualified to say what Stockman has been doing these last years? And so what if he was not intensely involved until just recently?
Four years ago the tax rate was 40 percent lower, and things did not look so bad, but now we have had 4 years of disaster, really far left crazy stuff, like climate change policies, and now is the time to get involved to change things? Why would you complain about that? A lot of people are new to the LCRC who are there simply because of Obama, and taxes. So, they should not be allowed to take on leadership positions because they just joined?
Your argument simply makes no sense. And we need to elect York because he knows how to run meetings? I think Stockman is pretty familiar with Roberts’ rules, and can handle that little task… we do not need a career politician to tell us how to run our meetings..I think Steve Stockman knows how.
Stockman is running because, he, like a lot of others, has seen how bad the last 4 years have been, and he wants to turn that around. He has the skill, experience and education to do that.
Are you saying Stockman’s campaign called you for “hit” information on York? I simply do not believe that.
They may have called you to be one of their delegates? Stockman is making all those calls himself, and is concentrating on personally contacting folks who voted in conventions before, or current members of the LCRC, so he most certainly is campaigning. He is not sending out fluff mailers like York, who, granted, has good PR folks working for him. He is concentrating on substance, what he would do differently from what York has done his twenty years in office. (Hiring good marketing people to sell you to the public is not equivalent to being a good legislator. York has hired good PR folks, but has failed as a leader with vision or substance, in my opinion.)
“Pam”, I was on the LCRC for some years years ago, and I left. See other thread where you’ve spammed the same non-issue for why.
Since no one knows who you are, who the hell are you to say whether I’m entitled to an opinion on a county issue or not?
The LCRC is not the only entity empowered to vote for chair at large. They only have the power to choose who will wear the R.
Look around: is either party in such good stead that it makes a huge difference?
Or do you have just as much contempt for the people whose votes you expect to garner as you do for what’s gone on around here for the past few years?
I don’t have to belong to the LCRC to pay attention to issues, and one thing I do know is that Stockman has been nowhere on the radar of anything for years.
When I was on the LCRC, he didn’t raise a blip there either.
If the LCRC wants to have someone sitting in the Chairman’s seat with an R behind their name, they have to put up a candidate who can win a general election, not a two-office private canvass on a Saturday in the dead of summer.
Because guess what? More people than the minute fraction of the county population than makes up the LCRC and the LCDC put together gets to vote in November.
With a basically nonexistent candidate stridently promoted by anonymous spammers on one side, and an absolute loon for the Dems, I don’t like the odds.
I think it’s pretty obvious who Pam is!
Barb, Mr. Stockman will be perfectly capable of running the BOS meetings.
“Mr. Stockman has not only been AWOL for the decades of Loudoun’s growth…”
Being “AWOL” is a good thing. Anybody who has lived in the county over the past 20 years, especially those who own successful businesses, are acutely aware of the mess created over the past 12 years and can offer fresh solutions. Sadly, there are those who want to stick with the career politicians who have had ample opportunity to solve the problems and haven’t.
All I am saying Barbara, is the accusation that he has not been involved is not true, and to say we should not consider him because he has done “nothing” (ignoring that he was on Loudoun Water, etc.) is just smear. He is a current member of the LCRC, that is involvement. If you were a member, you would know that. Some people speak at the public input sessions and some people do not. Lots of very involved people did not testify once at any public input session in the last 4 years. That is not the only way to be involved.
HFTB, the problem I am having with Stockman is that HE isn’t the one saying this. And I haven’t a clue who the folks saying it FOR him are, so I see no need to believe in him, or them.
I’m sorry, but being completely out of politics is a recipe for disaster in this county: government, as you know, is NOT a business, and career bureaucrats will make mincemeat of someone who hasn’t taken the trouble to be involved in anything involving the county government for twenty years.
It isn’t that Loudoun anymore, there are more programs and agencies that I would venture many on this and preceding boards even know exist, and just walking in to take the seat and start running his punchlist is going to get nothing done but waste more time and money getting lost in various patches of weeds.
How does anyone think we got INTO ICLEI?
NOBODY knew what it was, and it came in through the innocuous process of partnering the Green Business Challenge.
Gee, every time I rank on that, I get watsed, because what’s WRONG with businesses trying to save a bit, conserve a bit?
What’s wrong is that the GBC is run by ICLEI, and by joining that feel-good private business contest, YOU’VE JOINED.
Wouldn’t it be funny if Mr. Stockman’s company had participated in any way?
There would go Pam’s ICLEI spampoint.
York has taken a huge risk in trying to come back to the party.
How many hypocrites tacitly welcomed him back for the express purpose of anonymously attacking him?
I don’t want Bellanca for chair, and I’ll be damed if I’ll support Stockman because an anonymous blogger said so.
Hold York’s feet to the fire with a solid Republican majority–don’t lose the chair’s office on “principle”.
“I think it’s pretty obvious who Pam is!”
Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, eh?
“Pam”, you need to learn the meaning of smear. You know how to do it fine, but I think that may be a matter of passion overruling logic.
He has not been involved in any issue since I’ve been here; he has no positions that are a matter of record current in the last 20 years.
No statements, no letters, no BoS input, no nothing.
Just lots and lots of you. And who the hell are you?
Barbara, part of holding York’s feet to the fire is the democratic process which allows competition. Stockman is good for the party, win or lose.
We must get York to commit to things, which he avoids. Stockman will commit. If York cannot commit to a strategy to lower taxes, to opt out of MWAA and fix that contract, to implement a strategy on illegal aliens, to get out of ICLEI, etc. then Stockman should be elected…
Indeed, Barb, Stockman would fair worse in the general than York.
“Fair” = “fare” – duh!! Hate when that happens.
The Democratic candidate is so weak, not even Democrats will vote for him. Whoever we elect on the 23rd wins. That is why we need to work hard to elect the person who has principle and will commit to making things better. Of course those like Eric hope it will be York, because they think he may just be fooling the R’s? some of the R’s think that too…
Oh no, “Pam”, York made his own bed – he can sleep in it as far as I am concerned. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Stockman lost and then decided to run as an Independent? Stranger things have happened…
I have to say I agree with Pam that whoever wins the R nomination will win in November. Bellanca is just too strange.
“Pam”, I’m still stuck on the idea that I don’t know what Stockman’s principles are, and don’t plan to take your word for it or any other anonymous cheerleader.
And I don’t see anyone running on principle with a straight face if the anonymous group attacking York from within the party did little to stop him from rejoining, sat by while he collected endorsements, and now comes out with anonymous smears.
Or was that the point? Gull him back in so he could be righteously killed–anonymously?
Nice “principles” by those anonymously pumping an unknown quantity with empty platitudes.
It sounds as if Pam is from outside the county. If she lived here she’d be more accurate with her advocating, to include knowing the details about what happened with the CBPO. This really makes one wonder who is behind Stockman and what the motives are.
Well Barbara, if you had come to the debate last night you would have heard his principles, his vision and his plan. He has committed to get out of ICLEI, to lower the tax rate with a target of $1, to opt out of MWAA, to support the illegal alien Rule of Law program developed by John Stirrup and Corey Stewart, etc. He will say the same thing at the Convention, and is preparing a written piece to confirm the things he has already put in writing, and the things he has said on the issues.
He wrote a letter to address the Raspberry Falls issue, and finally Scott York has taken a written position on that. We need to know what they will do, not just trust them because they have an R beside their name.
Scott will not commit to anything besides the Raspberry Falls leter, though, and avoided all questions that might have required definitive answers by skipping the debate, then blaming Howie somehow?
A lot of people were there who had no clue York was not coming; Howie confirmed that York had agreed to come and changed his mind at the very last minute… not enough time to cancel. York just stood us up. York does not want to be tied down with specifics, he just wants generalities like in his mailers (“I’m a conservative” – oh yeah?) and people want more specifics from York.
They are getting specifics from Stockman, and I suggest you call Stockman or email his campaign because they will answer in writing and intend to keep their commitments. They want people to know what they intend to do. Scott does not want to run on his record, does not want to have to explain him asking us to Save Loudoun and “first” elect Andrea McGimsey, does not want to commit to what he will do if elected… Yes, he was good at getting Andrea elected, but that put him in the position of managing her, and you seem to think he was good at that. I disagree, I think she pushed through a large part of her expensive and way out there agenda. I think it was a campaign theme last time, about being fooled. Well, we were, in many people’s minds.
If you do not know what Stockman stands for then you are not trying to find out. Don’t take my word for it, you should have come to the debate, or call him up. But if you are unwilling to sign the pledge then you are not participating in determining the nominee, so not sure why you would stand on the outside and throw pot shots?
Steve Stockman is not campaigning county wide, he is targeting people who will vote in the convention, and speaking to each one, personally, trying to win their hearts and souls. He is working hard to get delegates, and I think he may win. There is a lot of support for him in the LCRC.
And I think a lot of those endorsements were done because they felt they had to, with fingers crossed behind their backs.. Just an opinion, no evidence, so don’t accuse me of anything other than having an opinion.
Now this is insightful:
“And I think a lot of those endorsements were done because they felt they had to, with fingers crossed behind their backs.”
Are you talking about Mick Staton?
“Pam”, although I got the robocall and the emails, I didn’t attend because I’m not going to drive 25 miles to attend a debate that isn’t one.
This is quite funny, I’m sure unintentionally: “We need to know what they will do, not just trust them because they have an R beside their name.”
So, since whoever wins the convention wins in November (remains to be seen), I am to take your word for it that someone who has been invisible for 20 years has “principles”, “political courage”, will magically get the tax rate down to one dollar when they have been MIA while the government and the county grew and changed–what will he cut? Ah, what you tell him to? Who are you?
I think the anonymous Pam is nothing but a pseudo interactive campaign ad for Stockman. It really only carries weight if Pam is actually Stockman. Pam are you Stockman? What were you doing 8 days ago when Lind decided to hold this partisan partisan “debate”?
Who is Pam?
Barbara, the debate was a chance to ask questions, and there were York people there asking Stockman questions. It was a chance to get specifics. York is asking us to nominate him on July 23 but would like to avoid all questions and specifics.
My point is, simply, Stockman is providing those answers and specifics to those who do not have fingers in their ears, and York is not answering any questions at all or making any commitments, we are supposed to elect him simply because he has name recognition, and please do not bring up what he has done or failed to do as a career politician, but he can conduct meetings! OK.
You seem to care a lot for someone who will not make the effort to come hear what Stockman has to say (not to the LCRC meetings or to the debate or any of the other NUMEROUS events that have been held, all advertised by Howie L through the tenth district.) You seem to care a lot about how other people will vote. But you are unwilling to vote yourself or work for any set of principles… ok, blog on…
Jack, Steve Stockman has got to be the laziest candidate for any office and here he thinks he deserves to be Chairman? Not only has he done NOTHING in over 20 years to make a positive change in the county – no addresses to the Board, no letters to the editor, no grassroots or civic activity, nothing – but he has barely even campaigned. He has given NOT A SINGLE campaign “speech”. At the LCRC all it amounted to was making an announcement at the podium. The guy could not even be bothered to put together some coherent thoughts. He has been at public events for – what a little less than 3 months – since he announced, and lets his daughter do 95% of the talking (his daughter is wonderful, by the way, many have said she is the one who should be running for office). As a candidate, Steve is a joke.
I guess he is saving his campaign speeches until he gets the nomination, just to make sure it is worth the trouble to put one together.
If ever there was someone who thought they were going to cruise into office because of past accomplishments it is this clown. But even according to the lame GOP mantra, “It’s my turn” this guy fails because it is not even “his turn.”
Steve Stockman is a nobody who has done nothing to show he would even take the job seriously, but because some people put a bug in his ear that they would carry him into the Board room and deposit him in the Chairman’s seat he has decided to dip his toe in the water on the outside chance it might be worth his time.
I have personally done 1000% more than Steve Stockman during the past decade to try and help this county and I was only active for 18 months. Here’s some free advice, Jack: Tell Steve Stockman to spend 15 minutes at his desk and put together a speech for public delivery. Nothing fancy, just some thoughts that follow one another, preferably on a topic that shows he wants to make things better for the residents of Loudoun County. One friggin’ speech, ok?
Failing that, how about a letter to the editor? Oh, I forgot, I guess it is too late for either of those things, since Steve has been sitting on his ass for the past 20 years and since he announced for this office he has done exactly bupkiss for the past 10 weeks, but now in the 5 days before the filing deadline suddenly he has a bunch anonymous trolls shooting their mouths off on his behalf.
Here’s the next campaign theme I need a graphic for if anyone can help:
“I’m Steve Stockman, and although I am too lazy to give a speech, I do have a group of anonymous trolls on the Internet speaking very highly of me all of a sudden.”
What numerous events, “Pam”? I get all the emails, some more than I want, and all I needed was to look at the papers after getting the “Loudoun Truth” email (and who the hell are they and how did they get my private email address?) and figure out that the non-debate was something not to be touched with a ten foot pole, particularly with gas what it currently costs per gallon.
Blog on indeed.
BO – welcome back. I thought you might of retired from blogging. I hope all is well.
No real idea who Loudoun Truth is, just rumors at this point. Some said it was Kristen Kalina, but she denies that adamantly and is upset at being accused. Now others are saying it might have been a ruse to spread false information about her, because she is so involved with so many campaigns, to hurt her and her campaigns… I do not know the truth. Politics is a crazy world..
It is highly irregular that someone would have all our emails and send out that message. I don’t like it one bit! Another rumor is that Howie L is filing some sort of official complaint about it…
AS for events, there have been meet and greet, fundraisers and event after event for weeks now, with all the candidates attending… things are starting to slow now that the delegate filing deadline is almost here, but there have been MANY opportunities to meet all of the candidates one on one…and ask them about their positions… the Q&A last night was valuable to get answers in front of a bunch of people, and they are on tape too…
Didn’t see him at Matt Letourneau’s event in South Riding, but had a nice chat with Scott York there.
As for “Loudoun Truth” and a possible ruse, well, that Culpeper address is quite a red flag in blogland, and not one that I’d wave myself for any kind of a joke.
More anonymous coffee clatch hijinks.
Pam, you are imbellishing the quality of answered delivered last night.
What I heard was Stockman say over and over he wanted to cut taxes to the $1.00 rate. Well that’s all and good but HOW? After about the fourth question on his tax priorities he finally said, we’ll we would have to let a few parks and rec folks go. Really? With a cut that deep, I’d like to know what departments he was going to cut.
We shouldn’t let Speakman off the hook here. Did anyone else catch that he wants to send police officers out to West Virginia to learn how to speak Russian? He’s convinced, although he sees no direct evidence, that the Russian mafia has infiltrated Loudoun. He sounded like Jonathan Winters up there, “the russians are coming, the russians are coming”
BlackOut, I believe the speech will be on the internet soon, and the answers too. I think he said nothing was off the table, there would be cuts across the board, and he spoke about a variety of specifics, like the contribution by the School Board to employees health plans where they have a zero deductible, and that should be raised… etc. He had specific ideas. One way to save $80 million is to opt out of Dulles rail for phase 1, and if we opt out we will also save almost $300 million for phase 2. That much money would build a lot of roads, but our planning is for level of service F throughout most of the County, and this last Board is taking roads off the plan, not planning on improvements… Roads would bring a better value to Loudoun than building two parking decks at Dulles, at such an outrageous price… the MWAA agreement is fatally flawed in that it is so open ended and if we do not do something, we will be paying $1.50 per $100 for very little real economic development benefit.
Oh you’re right Pam. He said he wanted county employees to have a $1500 health deductible. I forgot about that.
…then he backed off and said maybe something like a $250 deductible. He also said it was an impossibility to work with the School Board and that the BOS would have to be more dictatorial. I guess some like that idea as he certain did get applause from the friendly crowd.
I’ve been reading for a while and I have to say you people are not doing York any favors. You come off as mean spirited and without having any real information to back it up. At least with Pam I feel like I’m getting some information. The name calling and “campaign fliers” are childish and do nothing but make the people sending them seem like mean bullies. Can we please be grown ups and provide information so that people can make up their own minds?
“dulles voter”, “Pam” isn’t necessarily doing Mr. Stockman any favors with the onslaught of speaking FOR him.
(Joe, please don’t tell me that both “Pam” and “dulles voter” have accounts with hushmail)
LI, I always gave you credit for being much quicker than that. You’re slowing down, boy!
Barbara I’ve been reading myself for a while now and I have to say I fully agree with what I am saying. Everyone who disagrees with me is coming off as mean spirited and without having any real information to back it up. Can we please be grown ups and provide information so people can make up their own minds?
Sorry Barbara I have nothing to do with Pam, but suggesting I’m in some way connected to her because I’ve given an opinion you don’t like sure makes me feel like my above opinion would be correct.
Dulles Voter, I will join you in extolling the wondrousness of “Pam” and I will say she (or he) really ought to start their own blog. It would quickly become one of the most voluminous and highly anticipated stops in the Loudoun blogosphere.
This is deja vu all over again.
“dulles voter”, you have every right to your opinion.
My opinion is that your opinion regarding the veracity of “Pam”‘s info is underinformed.
Simply because “Pam” writes a lot, doesn’t mean that any of the references, partial information, and personal views of often quite different events are anything more than HER opinion.
Do your own research if you want the best information, and a good place to start might be why “Pam” is slamming York for some of his votes, and Stcokman is getting a supposed Operation Chaos pass for participating in the 08 democratic presidential primary.
I may be wrong, but I believe that preceded Chaos, and if one of the things we’re all supposed to believe by proxy is that Mr. Stockman has “principles”, “integrity” and “political courage”, then why would a staunch Republican with all of those qualities vote in a Democratic primary simply to mess things up?
When there was a Republican primary the same day?
I think “Pam” could demonstrate some integrity and political courage by openly supporting her candidate instead of hiding behind a mask, particularly if “Pam” is who some seem to suspect.
When you believe in something, you say so in the open and put your name on it.
Why is this not happening here?
Doesn’t do much for the quality of the selective info, at least in my opinion.
And that’s all it is.
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