Rumor is, the AC will be working, so Steve Stockman’s supporters will be bundled up for a long day of sharing the excitement for their candidate.
I wonder when John is going to realize that the more he beats up York, the more you beat up Stockman. The second realization is that you are better at this than John.
Jacob, in case you didn’t know, Joe is the one in the dark grey jacket.
He’s a secret Stockman fan. He doesn’t dare admit it so he overly supports York to hide it.
I can understand a Stockman supporter not willing to show their face, but a Cleveland Cavaliers fan too?
Funny as hell, Joe.
Joe, remember when you went gaga over Candace, but Mark won anyways? Same sort of “all the kings horse and all the kings men” race we have here. It won’t be easy, but I hear that Scott is nervous, as he really should be. He’s also saving quite a pot of money. Will that be for his independent run?
It’s a real shame when the grassroots supports a Cuccinelli over a Brownlee, isn’t it?
John and company won by 50 votes in a Firehouse primary. It’s why they couldn’t allow one this year. It scared them that bad. So they switched to the method that they think assures them the control they crave. Thing is, we caught onto the convention game in 2007, and we now “own” that venue , too. We just watched what they did, and learned how to do it better.
Hey, congratulations on catching on. That’s really great news! We’ve been doing conventions in the Loudoun GOP for decades now. Since I first joined in ‘94, we’ve used them to pick our nominees for county office. I don’t know who’s called you “slow witted”, but it certainly wasn’t me. Good job!
John, a convention for only two contested races?
Stupid choice, if it comes out with candidates who can’t and won’t win in November.
Why wasn’t all this anonymous effort expended to keep York from rejoining?
If he is the king boogeyman and all?
Barb, you know my regard for that Cray 2 parked above your shoulders, so it pains me to disagree with you. When you say “rejoining”, do you mean rejoin the LCRC? He didn’t rejoin.
Second, it’s rare (and disappointing, frankly) that there wasn’t any significant competition for BOS positions. The incoming crew strikes me generally as a fairly lightweight bunch, all the more reason to deny Scott York the Chairmanship, else they will look to him for leadership. Do we really want that?
I understand that Stockman doesn’t have the depth of understanding of a number of policies that Scott posesses. That’s mainly because he was off building his own business, which put him on the receiving end of those policies. That experience lends itself to some valuable inclinations.
Stockman doesn’t need this job. York does. Scott would be back to home inspections or building custom closets if he didn’t win this one (ie in this market he’d be out of work).
Who do we want in charge – someone dependent on government, or with a healthy disdain for it?
And Joe, thanks for the Cleveland reference – nice touch!
The anti-York/anti-Stockman posts are like the dueling banjos.
With all due respect to my friend Joe, his anti-Stockman posts are great agitprop, but devoid of fact. Just picking an issue – Dulles Rail Phase II – Steve Stockman called for getting Loudoun out of that, and I read a well-reasoned factual argument from him, justifying that position.
I believe that York just voted to tie us to that boondoggle, NoVA’s equivalent of Boston’s Big Dig.
Some, however, want the devil they know. Truth be damned.
The pro-York people are the guitar player and the pro-Stockman people are the banjo player, I call.
John, as I said on the other thread, Stockman has “called for” nothing visible AS IT WAS OCCURRING over those twenty absent years.
Having attended and spoken at many of the meetings on CBPO and redistricting, it is beyond annoying to me to see campaign lit written by someone else (who may or may not have been there themselves–it isn’t like there’s not a treasure trove of material from that over-one-year process to cut and paste from) highlighting positions that he now espouses, but SHOULD have been publicly espousing when it was happening.
He can’t go back and participate now.
When I get and read those things, it just turns me off.
If he was going to run for chair at large (instead of say “okay” when you recruited him), he should have been walking those positions THEN instead of just coattailing on them NOW.
The candidate in my district is hardly a lightweight; he’s doing fine swimming in the shark tank, because he was swimming in the big one on Capitol Hill from the time he was a sophomore intern.
Many much older people don’t have as impressive a resume, and his looks all the more impressive to me for having built it by this age.
For Stockman to have that profoundly oblivious interview with the Patch out there for months (with the Dems attacking it since May) makes him pretty much DOA in the east as far as transportation is concerned, and that affects business development, and so on.
No sale. I’m sorry, but I can’t just take your word for it.
There is too much he should have been doing for at least two years that he can’t do before the election, let alone make up for not doing other than by anonymous attribution before the convention.
Why should we buy a very nice pig in a poke just to make a point?
Again, no sale.
You do got a purty mouth there, you know…
(purty — addressed to Joe B).
Barbara, Scott CREATED this mess! Why can’t you get that through your head? He has reliably delivered for the PEC on zoning and transporation issues for years and now … voila! … he smells the new winds blowing, has a conversion experience, sort of, and we now are to toss “our” man on our shoulders and head off to victory. What naivete! Sorry, I wasn’t born yesterday. Scott says “God put eyes in the front of ours heads so we we won’t look backwards”. Sorry, God also gave us the ability to remember who put knives in the backs of (conservative) Republicans, going back to before you were a known figure yourself.
You and I have been in the trenches for years. I share your frustration with the sort of candidate who shows up and says “I’m here” at election time. That describes almost every new candidate in Loudoun. Oh, yes, some started attending LCRC meetings prior to the big announcement. Hurrah for that. I’ve learned to accept that that is how things go. Steve was on the board twice already. He’s getting his sea legs.
And, no, I didn’t recruit him.
I vote for healthy disdain.
John, had he stayed involved in any way, he wouldn’t have lost any sea legs.
York did not create this mess all by his lonesome.
No one on the BoS will fix it all by his lonesome.
And anyone running for BoS who thinks transportation isn’t an issue, among some of the other pearls in that article?
For the record, I am not trying to sell you on him. I am trying to club your argument to death like I would a baby seal. Just to clarify. It’s important that I maintain my reputation.
That interview was a mess, and you are right to pressure him on that. However, there was a significant line, ahead of you, in his camp, that confronted him. Because I respect you, I will email you separately on this.
It’s well to ask what you can count on from a new guy (like, again, the whole crop of GOP Supervisor candidates, with few exceptions, but let’s forget that and just pick on Steve). However, Scott won’t fix anything. That’s something you know.
John, and clubbing a seal to death is a good form of persuasion how exactly?
You don’t need to email me.
The fact that there’s a line of people upset about the one thing he has on record still says zip about the years of NO record.
No sale, and here’s a bit of advice from an old closer who ran 60%+: an assumptive close is something very VERY few people can use successfully. Some people react extremely negatively to an assumptive close.
I’m one of them.
Commercial & Industrial Property Valuation as a Percentage of total Taxable Property:
No progress at all over the past 12 years.
” It’s important that I maintain my reputation”
Dr. Pepper all over the keyboard, now. I snorted it out when I read that John has a great deal of pride in the choleric and sophomoric thing that we’ll “call” a reputation.\
BM – I see that ironic humor needs to be added to the list of things that escape you.
Barb, sorry we have to disagree. You’ve picked your poison. Hopefully we won’t have to drink it with you. See you Saturday!
Just a reminder: Scott York was fine with the Chesapeake Bay Protection Ordinance until it was pointed out to him that his property was affected. That’s well-honed leadership the GOP needs!
John, that is a gross oversimplification of the CBPO issue. The 03 R bos began the process of considering it in compliance with the 99 bos’ comp plan. The 07 bos picked it up from there.
York was an important part of getting it killed, as “Pam” could no doubt tell you in one of her previous incarnations, back when the process was happening and Stockman was nowhere to be seen nor heard.
You mean back when York was told that his property was affected and he saw the crowd running in that direction he became ” an important part in getting it killed”.
Barbara, my diagnosis is as follows:
Stockman’s troops are energized — even if there’s only 50 of them.
No John, back when “Pam” was sucking up to him and thanking him for his good work under her real name.
Yes, and I’d say that “Pam” apparently realized that playing the “inside game” with establishment Republicans doesn’t work. Good for her. Wish that were true of some other good folks.
Stop right there, John.
Yes, “Pam” likes being an “insider” and definitely likes playing games.
Liars are not “good people”.
What does “sucking up” mean? She was lobbying him. She was polite. She thanked him when he did right. Is that a “suck up”? Actually, in fairness, “inside” is an important part of the influence game. However, both are necessary. Politicians’ biggest fear is not being elected / not being liked. “Outside” influence preys on that fear. It complements the “inside” game. I think Pam, like a lot of us, concluded that “inside” was very frustrating and ineffective, in dealing with York, though when she got York to suddenly oppose CBPO based on a friendly appeal to his self-interest, that was a great help to our “outside” campaign. There is a third model which should be mentioned as well. Eugene has concluded that he needs $$ and so “whatever I have to do, for me” is now his model.
Oh, so now “Pam” did it all by herself?
Amazing. I guess that’s why she always feels entitled to make others’ endorsements fore them?
Malcolm Baldwin comes to mind, as does LEC.
Thank you for outlining your model. All that matters is making the right threats and you’ll get your candidate out of the convention, then “Pam”like, everyone must fall in line and work like hell to get him actually into office for you?
Then, if November is a disaster, it will be everybody else’s fault.
“Stop right there, John.
Liars are not “good people”.”
Where’s that animated clapping hands emoticon when you need it. Nicely said Barbara.
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