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	<title>Comments on: Channel Your Anger Today- Man the Battle Stations- Oppose Metro to Loudoun</title>
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		<title>By: squiddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>squiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolve, I like the idea - &quot;The City of New Orleans&quot; sets the right mood, I think, but obviously, it&#039;s taken ...

So, still workin&#039; on it, but I think the &quot;Yellow Brick Road&quot; might be a good theme to explore - I mean, at $190,000 a foot, we could line up 1 kilo gold bars, end-to-end, for those 2.9 miles, and still have enough left over to throw a party - and we won&#039;t have to pay annual maintenance on it after.

And the whole &quot;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&quot; is just fraught with meaning - there are any number of characters with murky intentions, lurking back there in the shadows, pulling the levers for their own ends.

And I think we have plenty of nominees to play the part of the Munchkins ... :)

Anyway, if George Allen doesn&#039;t run a non-stop series of commercials in Northern Virginia thanking Tim Kaine for turning over the toll toad to MWAA, and our commuters to their clutches, then he&#039;s a moron ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolve, I like the idea &#8211; &#8220;The City of New Orleans&#8221; sets the right mood, I think, but obviously, it&#8217;s taken &#8230;</p>
<p>So, still workin&#8217; on it, but I think the &#8220;Yellow Brick Road&#8221; might be a good theme to explore &#8211; I mean, at $190,000 a foot, we could line up 1 kilo gold bars, end-to-end, for those 2.9 miles, and still have enough left over to throw a party &#8211; and we won&#8217;t have to pay annual maintenance on it after.</p>
<p>And the whole &#8220;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&#8221; is just fraught with meaning &#8211; there are any number of characters with murky intentions, lurking back there in the shadows, pulling the levers for their own ends.</p>
<p>And I think we have plenty of nominees to play the part of the Munchkins &#8230; <img src='http://novatownhall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, if George Allen doesn&#8217;t run a non-stop series of commercials in Northern Virginia thanking Tim Kaine for turning over the toll toad to MWAA, and our commuters to their clutches, then he&#8217;s a moron &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cathymac/Loudoun Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathymac/Loudoun Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to one of the first points the Opt In crowd made oh so many months ago &quot;Tolls are going up anyways, we might as well Opt In (and pay 1.2 Billion)&quot;. Almost as good as the green (union) shirt quote on Fox 5 News &quot;Taxes are going up anyways, we might as well get something for it.&quot;

The Opt Out crowd has never stated that tolls won&#039;t go up if we Opt Out, they are slated to go up in 2013. And up. And up. No matter the 2.8 miles into Ashburn, tolls will go up. That is how it goes with MWAA when they have total control over tolls and bus routes. Remember, they control how many buses can ride on their turf. They control the whole enchilada. 

Who enters into a long term (as in forever) agreement with goons like this? &quot;Don&#039;t do what we like? We will cut your bus routes&quot;. Nice mafia tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to one of the first points the Opt In crowd made oh so many months ago &#8220;Tolls are going up anyways, we might as well Opt In (and pay 1.2 Billion)&#8221;. Almost as good as the green (union) shirt quote on Fox 5 News &#8220;Taxes are going up anyways, we might as well get something for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Opt Out crowd has never stated that tolls won&#8217;t go up if we Opt Out, they are slated to go up in 2013. And up. And up. No matter the 2.8 miles into Ashburn, tolls will go up. That is how it goes with MWAA when they have total control over tolls and bus routes. Remember, they control how many buses can ride on their turf. They control the whole enchilada. </p>
<p>Who enters into a long term (as in forever) agreement with goons like this? &#8220;Don&#8217;t do what we like? We will cut your bus routes&#8221;. Nice mafia tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackOut</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the hearing last night.  It felt like watching the third quarter of a blow out football game, with half the losing team on the bench and not in the game.  Things felt very subdued.  Clarke was absent, wonder if she will make the historic vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the hearing last night.  It felt like watching the third quarter of a blow out football game, with half the losing team on the bench and not in the game.  Things felt very subdued.  Clarke was absent, wonder if she will make the historic vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Munsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Munsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Rand knew exactly what kind of power things would get--the magnum opus is packed with govt. agencies, non-governmental orgs, quasi-govt agencies, non-profits and cults with authority that have way too much power.

I agree on Kaine&#039;s massive fail in giving the toll road away, but I don&#039;t agree with the taxpig fiction that tolls won&#039;t go up if we opt out--they will go up all the more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Rand knew exactly what kind of power things would get&#8211;the magnum opus is packed with govt. agencies, non-governmental orgs, quasi-govt agencies, non-profits and cults with authority that have way too much power.</p>
<p>I agree on Kaine&#8217;s massive fail in giving the toll road away, but I don&#8217;t agree with the taxpig fiction that tolls won&#8217;t go up if we opt out&#8211;they will go up all the more.</p>
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		<title>By: HFTB</title>
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		<dc:creator>HFTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ayn Rand never envisioned the powers that entities (quasi-gov’t, etc) like MWAA and WMATA would posses...&quot;

The worst part of this project was when Tim Kaine handed control of the Dulles Toll Road over to the MWAA, an unelected entity that can set tolls (it&#039;s really a form of taxation) as high as they please.  High tolls, which they say won&#039;t be affected much if Loudoun opts out, will have a severe negative impact on economic development in the county.  Who would would want to work or do business here if they have to pay up to $17 in tolls to get out here?  Only a small percentage will be able to use the metro.  Without a toll-free expressway, Loudoun will effectively be cut off from the inner core of the DC metro area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ayn Rand never envisioned the powers that entities (quasi-gov’t, etc) like MWAA and WMATA would posses&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The worst part of this project was when Tim Kaine handed control of the Dulles Toll Road over to the MWAA, an unelected entity that can set tolls (it&#8217;s really a form of taxation) as high as they please.  High tolls, which they say won&#8217;t be affected much if Loudoun opts out, will have a severe negative impact on economic development in the county.  Who would would want to work or do business here if they have to pay up to $17 in tolls to get out here?  Only a small percentage will be able to use the metro.  Without a toll-free expressway, Loudoun will effectively be cut off from the inner core of the DC metro area.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Withnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Withnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy,

I don&#039;t like the deal either. I would prefer an alternative. But I also believe we need something (eventually all the way to Leesburg and beyond) that ties into Metro.

Do I want Metro to clean up its act? Yes. Even if we didn&#039;t join, I&#039;d want that because government waste at any level hurts us. I&#039;d love to see the heads of the WMATA held accountable. The whole of the organization needs accountability. Yet I see that as a battle that will be fought separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the deal either. I would prefer an alternative. But I also believe we need something (eventually all the way to Leesburg and beyond) that ties into Metro.</p>
<p>Do I want Metro to clean up its act? Yes. Even if we didn&#8217;t join, I&#8217;d want that because government waste at any level hurts us. I&#8217;d love to see the heads of the WMATA held accountable. The whole of the organization needs accountability. Yet I see that as a battle that will be fought separately.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Withnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Withnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LI,

Metro is neither conservative or liberal. Conservative means limited government, not no government. Because I see transportation as core central to government responsibility, I see Metro, or some other transportation solution, as one of the few things on which government *should* spend money. I am not an anarchist.

I would absolutely love an alternative. I&#039;ve been saying that *loudly* now for quite a while. Nobody yet has come up with one. Give me an alternative, and you will have me fight against Metro, because I too see the MWAA as a mismanaged. Give a viable alternative that has the government doing what it IS supposed to do ... and not just more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LI,</p>
<p>Metro is neither conservative or liberal. Conservative means limited government, not no government. Because I see transportation as core central to government responsibility, I see Metro, or some other transportation solution, as one of the few things on which government *should* spend money. I am not an anarchist.</p>
<p>I would absolutely love an alternative. I&#8217;ve been saying that *loudly* now for quite a while. Nobody yet has come up with one. Give me an alternative, and you will have me fight against Metro, because I too see the MWAA as a mismanaged. Give a viable alternative that has the government doing what it IS supposed to do &#8230; and not just more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolverine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolverine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world may not come to an end tomorrow, but I do think that a long-term bleed on the county budget may well begin.  It seems to me that too many people around here have bought into the nonsense that cost and covering revenue for a project will remain static at the point when the project is approved.  You would think these people resided in Timbuktu, not 30-40 miles from the national poster child for cost overruns and calls for new taxes to cover shortfalls.

In a bow to an old railroad tradition, we should come up with an appropriate name for those 2.8 miles of a public transportation giant....Santa Fe Chief; Broadway Limited; California Limited; 20th Century; Empire State Express; City of San Francisco; Coastal Starlight...you know the drill.  Now, let&#039;s see...York&#039;s Yoke?  Buona&#039;s Boondoggle?  I&#039;m open to suggestions here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world may not come to an end tomorrow, but I do think that a long-term bleed on the county budget may well begin.  It seems to me that too many people around here have bought into the nonsense that cost and covering revenue for a project will remain static at the point when the project is approved.  You would think these people resided in Timbuktu, not 30-40 miles from the national poster child for cost overruns and calls for new taxes to cover shortfalls.</p>
<p>In a bow to an old railroad tradition, we should come up with an appropriate name for those 2.8 miles of a public transportation giant&#8230;.Santa Fe Chief; Broadway Limited; California Limited; 20th Century; Empire State Express; City of San Francisco; Coastal Starlight&#8230;you know the drill.  Now, let&#8217;s see&#8230;York&#8217;s Yoke?  Buona&#8217;s Boondoggle?  I&#8217;m open to suggestions here.</p>
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		<title>By: HFTB</title>
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		<dc:creator>HFTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have the best freight rail system in the world.&quot;  

That is largely because of the deregulation that took place over 30 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have the best freight rail system in the world.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That is largely because of the deregulation that took place over 30 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Munsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Munsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LI, get your hair shirt and stand on the corner of King and Market with your &quot;The World Ends Tomorrow!  Thus spake I, conservathustra!&quot;

Make sure you don&#039;t put the DATE on it, so you can reuse it for as long as necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LI, get your hair shirt and stand on the corner of King and Market with your &#8220;The World Ends Tomorrow!  Thus spake I, conservathustra!&#8221;</p>
<p>Make sure you don&#8217;t put the DATE on it, so you can reuse it for as long as necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudoun Insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loudoun Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No true conservative would be for expanding a mismanaged money-losing bureaucratic mess like Metro.  As usual a bunch of politicians who like to call themselves conservative are playing to money instead of doing the hard work of being a true conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No true conservative would be for expanding a mismanaged money-losing bureaucratic mess like Metro.  As usual a bunch of politicians who like to call themselves conservative are playing to money instead of doing the hard work of being a true conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathymac/Loudoun Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathymac/Loudoun Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, Your explanation on &quot;who is John Galt&quot; is partially why I posted it, not to carve up roles and place the tax pig as the protaganist. What is the role of government? I am going to go out on a mighty strong limb here and bet that Ayn Rand never envisioned the powers that entities (quasi-gov&#039;t, etc) like MWAA and WMATA would posses, nor would she be in favor of convaluted and finnagled deals like the current metro debacle with local tax payer dollars. If you look closely at &quot;the deal&quot; we are ready to sign on to, it is a conservative&#039;s worst nightmare - being touted by so called fiscal conservatives. It is almost as if we are living in opposite world, where up is down, black is white. The only other explanation I can come up with is mass hypnosis. 

This deal doesn&#039;t solve congestion. Even it&#039;s supporters will admit, sometimes just behind the scenes - that this is not a transportation project. Some electeds will even tell you &quot;this sucks, but we have to pass it&quot;. 

Currently there are no eminent domain issues. Never in the history of rail has a deal like this been penned and signed where local tax dollars are going to be used for quasi-gov&#039;t agency maintenance backlog and financing a rail line that doesn&#039;t meet federal requirements.

It is quite remarkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, Your explanation on &#8220;who is John Galt&#8221; is partially why I posted it, not to carve up roles and place the tax pig as the protaganist. What is the role of government? I am going to go out on a mighty strong limb here and bet that Ayn Rand never envisioned the powers that entities (quasi-gov&#8217;t, etc) like MWAA and WMATA would posses, nor would she be in favor of convaluted and finnagled deals like the current metro debacle with local tax payer dollars. If you look closely at &#8220;the deal&#8221; we are ready to sign on to, it is a conservative&#8217;s worst nightmare &#8211; being touted by so called fiscal conservatives. It is almost as if we are living in opposite world, where up is down, black is white. The only other explanation I can come up with is mass hypnosis. </p>
<p>This deal doesn&#8217;t solve congestion. Even it&#8217;s supporters will admit, sometimes just behind the scenes &#8211; that this is not a transportation project. Some electeds will even tell you &#8220;this sucks, but we have to pass it&#8221;. </p>
<p>Currently there are no eminent domain issues. Never in the history of rail has a deal like this been penned and signed where local tax dollars are going to be used for quasi-gov&#8217;t agency maintenance backlog and financing a rail line that doesn&#8217;t meet federal requirements.</p>
<p>It is quite remarkable.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackOut</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most conservatives are for Metro LI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most conservatives are for Metro LI.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudoun Insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loudoun Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Brian was the uber conservative alternative to that establishment Gary Clemens guy???  Now he&#039;s Mr. Metro???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Brian was the uber conservative alternative to that establishment Gary Clemens guy???  Now he&#8217;s Mr. Metro???</p>
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		<title>By: Wolverine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolverine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 08:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -- We have the best freight rail system in the world.  200,000 miles of track, more than 1.3 million freight rail cars and over 20,000 Class 1 locomotives.  It seems to be working pretty well these days under private ownership.  Do you seriously want to put ownership/control of all that track and all those cars under a Federal government that cannot even handle its own budget or, for that matter, run an intelligent &quot;gun walking&quot; operation?!!! More than 30 years just to come to the conclusion that somebody had better get off their duffs and monitor the safety procedures of one comparatively little rail operation known as the Washington Metro.  Sorry, old buddy.  I&#039;ll pass on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8212; We have the best freight rail system in the world.  200,000 miles of track, more than 1.3 million freight rail cars and over 20,000 Class 1 locomotives.  It seems to be working pretty well these days under private ownership.  Do you seriously want to put ownership/control of all that track and all those cars under a Federal government that cannot even handle its own budget or, for that matter, run an intelligent &#8220;gun walking&#8221; operation?!!! More than 30 years just to come to the conclusion that somebody had better get off their duffs and monitor the safety procedures of one comparatively little rail operation known as the Washington Metro.  Sorry, old buddy.  I&#8217;ll pass on that one.</p>
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