Comments on: Jay Carney is an Embarrassment http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/ Where you are held accountable for your convictions and record Mon, 20 May 2013 19:30:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68321 jack Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:56:52 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68321 But what part of it blasphemy to them? But what part of it blasphemy to them?

]]> By: Ed Myers http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68309 Ed Myers Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:51:16 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68309 Because the second group's tax dollars are being used to support what they feel is blasphemy. The second group feel complicit in the blasphemy because they are paying for it as well as supporting the first group's theology which they feel is counterfeit. Because the second group’s tax dollars are being used to support what they feel is blasphemy. The second group feel complicit in the blasphemy because they are paying for it as well as supporting the first group’s theology which they feel is counterfeit.

]]> By: jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68306 jack Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:28:01 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68306 And WHY is the second group offended? And WHY is the second group offended?

]]> By: Ed Myers http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68302 Ed Myers Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:20:30 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68302 No, there are two factions. One is offended unless the government engages in blasphemy (of course it isn't blasphemy in their minds) and the other group is offended when the government does what the first group demands. No, there are two factions. One is offended unless the government engages in blasphemy (of course it isn’t blasphemy in their minds) and the other group is offended when the government does what the first group demands.

]]> By: jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68289 jack Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:33:54 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68289 But is it not the religious faction to which they would be pandering? So, in this case, they are synonymous. But is it not the religious faction to which they would be pandering?

So, in this case, they are synonymous.

]]> By: Ed Myers http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68265 Ed Myers Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:11:03 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68265 Theology is not determined by popular vote. This is a cultural dog whistle display to convey political support for " judeo-christian" family values voters. A majority ignore the blasphemy because they celebrate Christmas and miss or ignore the political varnish. This is the spoils given to PHC and other cultural warriors for helping win the last election, and for them it is valuable symbol of their success against the evil atheists and a marker in denying the constitutional principle of separation of church and state. The pandering is not to the religion...but to the political faction. Theology is not determined by popular vote. This is a cultural dog whistle display to convey political support for ” judeo-christian” family values voters. A majority ignore the blasphemy because they celebrate Christmas and miss or ignore the political varnish. This is the spoils given to PHC and other cultural warriors for helping win the last election, and for them it is valuable symbol of their success against the evil atheists and a marker in denying the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.

The pandering is not to the religion…but to the political faction.

]]> By: jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68240 jack Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:54:13 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68240 Ah, so a Jewish display would be OK, because the most voters are not Jewish? You're just being silly, Special Ed. If the display we blasphemous, it would be pissing off Christians <I>en masse</i>. Therefore, and blasphemous display cannot be pandering to the people of that religion. Ah, so a Jewish display would be OK, because the most voters are not Jewish?

You’re just being silly, Special Ed. If the display we blasphemous, it would be pissing off Christians en masse. Therefore, and blasphemous display cannot be pandering to the people of that religion.

]]> By: Ed Myers http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68228 Ed Myers Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:40:57 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68228 Pandering to voters...is the political purpose. Pandering to voters…is the political purpose.

]]> By: jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68210 jack Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:13:00 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68210 Really, Special Ed?! I did not know you were a Christian! So, what "political purpose" is involved here? Really, Special Ed?! I did not know you were a Christian!

So, what “political purpose” is involved here?

]]> By: Ed Myers http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68208 Ed Myers Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:25:08 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68208 Blasphemy-insulting a deity. Lack of reverence for Holy things or people. Jesus is a deity. A crèche is a symbol of God's incarnation. A government displayed crèche for political purposes is an insult to Jesus and is irreverent. The proper way to revere the birth of Jesus can only be done within a faith community. Anything else is disrespectful. I have no problems with people disrespecting Jesus. That is their choice. I think it is politically unacceptable for government to force me to pay for the blasphemy and add injury to insult by declaring that the blasphemy represents the county's shared view of this sacred event. Blasphemy-insulting a deity. Lack of reverence for Holy things or people.

Jesus is a deity. A crèche is a symbol of God’s incarnation.

A government displayed crèche for political purposes is an insult to Jesus and is irreverent.

The proper way to revere the birth of Jesus can only be done within a faith community. Anything else is disrespectful.

I have no problems with people disrespecting Jesus. That is their choice. I think it is politically unacceptable for government to force me to pay for the blasphemy and add injury to insult by declaring that the blasphemy represents the county’s shared view of this sacred event.

]]> By: jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68183 jack Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:05:08 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68183 Nice try with the diversion, Special Ed, but I'm not biting. What, exactly, do you find "blasphemous" about the display? Nice try with the diversion, Special Ed, but I’m not biting. What, exactly, do you find “blasphemous” about the display?

]]> By: Ed Myers http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68173 Ed Myers Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:05:07 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68173 Jack, if I got a policeman to force you to put money in a kettle to support erecting a crescent on the courthouse lawn celebrating the birth of islamic jihad you would be complaining about theft and human rights and religious liberty and terrorism. But I understand. You have no respect for religious liberty unless it impacts your own. For you political is religious and religion is politics. Jack, if I got a policeman to force you to put money in a kettle to support erecting a crescent on the courthouse lawn celebrating the birth of islamic jihad you would be complaining about theft and human rights and religious liberty and terrorism.

But I understand. You have no respect for religious liberty unless it impacts your own. For you political is religious and religion is politics.

]]> By: Jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68169 Jack Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:35:31 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68169 So, nothing. Right, Special Ed? So, nothing. Right, Special Ed?

]]> By: Ed Myers http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68168 Ed Myers Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:43:03 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68168 We express our religious faith through rituals and symbols. When government takes those symbols and replaces the religious purpose with a political one, it is blasphemy. It "takes the name of the Lord in vain" to place a crèche symbol on the courthouse lawn to say that this is the county's official and shared view of this historical and religious event. It is offensive to force taxpayers to participate in tarnishing sacred symbols with the profanity of politics. We express our religious faith through rituals and symbols. When government takes those symbols and replaces the religious purpose with a political one, it is blasphemy. It “takes the name of the Lord in vain” to place a crèche symbol on the courthouse lawn to say that this is the county’s official and shared view of this historical and religious event. It is offensive to force taxpayers to participate in tarnishing sacred symbols with the profanity of politics.

]]> By: Jack http://novatownhall.com/2012/09/15/jay-carney-is-an-embarrassment/comment-page-1/#comment-68166 Jack Tue, 18 Sep 2012 02:18:31 +0000 http://novatownhall.com/?p=9722#comment-68166 And what about that display, Special Ed, is "blasphemous"? And what about that display, Special Ed, is “blasphemous”?

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