This will be ugly. It will set the pace for political races going forward.
Could you explain please? I do not currently have a subscription to the WSJ, therefore you are not providing ANY information.
Act – Link won’t bring up article.
There is plenty out there on Bolling’s possible third party run, to include a recent WashPost article (below). FWIW, McDonnell stands behind Cuccinelli as the nominee and is aggressively fundraising with him throughout the state. He dropped Bolling like a hot potato after he started the 3rd party run rumors and did a 180 on uranium mining.
What Bolling doesn’t get is that he’s being played by his handlers. The worst thing for the Establishment is Cuccinelli. The powerful developer lobby and other monied interests in Richmond have networks in both parties at the state level and can steer their interests. Not so with Cuccinelli. They lose if he wins. So, what to do? Tell Bolling he’s been cheated and he has a chance to win (which he doesn’t) in the hopes of drawing away enough votes to torpedo the one and only real conservative in the race, our future Governor Cuccinelli.
DD – I don’t know if the developer and/or other monied interests money is being thrown at Bolling still, he hasn’t provided any indication that any industry or large portion of our party is still backing him. My concern right now is his tie breaking vote in the Senate on any legislation.
Polling has already started:
Hahaha, like a poll from VV is of any value. What a joke.
It’s a Quinnipiac Poll. Knee jerk again.
I don’t go there enough to keep up. Their content is usually stale. Last I was there they were conducting the poll as a side window on their blog. What a joke.
Hahaha, and since when are polls relevant in our current political environment?
BO, Are you drinking?
Here’s something the adults in the room need to consider. Reasonable minds can come up with a better control for concealed weapons than the current process.
Sideshow Bob Marshall is an absolute “idiot” by the way:
Why? Has there been a problem w/ CCW holders?
That’s a good question jack. Maybe. Someone needs to balance out the risk and the process by objectively looking at data, not by emotion.
One thing is for sure Bob Marshall being an advocate has no clue of what is the current process, but it seems to me his comments referenced comfort with a stringent background check to include finger printing and a proficiency test. That was until he was schooled and told you don’t need that, so no telling what the old guy thinks.
I’m grandfathered. Ain’t NOBODY changing rules on my concealed.
Unless you can prove a problem with Conceal Carry Permit Holders, why is this an issue? No problem exists. Adults know there has to be a problem before a solution is necessary.
Provide the data that there is a problem.
Hahahahahahaaa… CMAC, you have to specify that it can’t be “his” percieved problems…but actual, factual and proven problems. Hey– Everybody grab a beer and watch THIS!!
Monk, it is a problem because BO hates Bob Marshall. THAT is BOs reasoning ability in a nutshell.
This debate is beyond you CMac and Monk. Unless you can give me one credible idea of how to control the access to guns and get behind it, I wouldn’t expect you to consider the analysis of any regulation as being credible. Move aside and let the adults figure it out.
The party problem in this control right now is now one wants to consider middle ground.
Hey lets talk about the deficiet and taxes. How are we going to fix that? “Well, says the hard core, we can talk about that but no way in hell we are going to raise taxes”
Hey lets talk about the terrible problem with gun murders. How are we going to fix that?? “Well, say the hard core, we can talk about that but now way in hell are we going to talk about any changes to the access to guns and ammo.””
For a bunch of so called patriots you have no idea what has made this country work through it’s history.
The intransigence is one of the reasons the GOP got their ass kicked in the last election. You’re now clearly in the minority. Time to learn new lessons, and learn how to govern.
Time to go back to the resonable days when the big tent of the GOP invited folks like me to be part of it.
Baboons like Marshall hijacked all reason out of the conservative movement. Did you even read his back and forth about what CCW was? Jeez, the guy has no clue. That is unless it is about what needs to be stuck up a vagina.
Patriots don’t give away rights and freedoms owned and fought for. You’re living in the wrong country for your brand of ideology, BE.
BO’s idea of “how to govern” is East St. Louis. And apparently “resonable days(sic)” was having people in the big tent who called their fellow Republicans “baboons.”
Whizzzzzz….Around the bend he goes.
“I don’t go there enough to keep up.”
But that certainly does not keep BO from loading up the blog with his uninformed insults. Now, I must say, if that isn’t just a key problem in this whole conversation.
Hmmm, might actually be a BO confessional slipup in this. We should mark it down and throw it back at him from time to time.
Wolverine, you do release a gaggle of baboons is called a congress don’t you. Sorta crosses party lines when you think about it.
Further Wolverine, I do give your intellect some leeway based on your age, but I don’t always buy into the old adage that old dogs can’t learn new tricks.
Hooo, man, got him going waaaaaay around the bend now. Probably make him late for work tomorrow. And to think all this BO fellow has to do to get some relief from the head slaps is to lay off the ad hominems and insults and make nice and polite in blog conversation. The reference to age is a horse laugh and a hoot — especially coming from a Boomer who is well over the eligibility level for AARP membership.
“..a gaggle of baboons is called a congress…” No kidding?!! And I always thought a “gaggle of baboons” was called a “troop.”
Poor guy cannot even repeat an old blog joke correctly.
I don’t think Bolling is serious about this independent thing. He cna’t do anything but be a spoiler and he knows that. My guess is that he’s looking for some commitment from RPV or Cuccinelli about future offices in exchange for his dropping this idea. He’s been an automaton “conservative” (as that abused term tends to get used in Virginia electoral politics). It would be very hard for him to shed that image and suddenly become an “independent” especially at a time when Cuccinelli will be madly scrambling to the center of the ideological spectrum.
Apologies for going back to the initial post.
BO continues to cast more bait than a reality TV fisherman. He follows by flinging poo with his baboon posts, and the coup degrace is insulting Wolv with stabs on his age.
Speaking of being a spoiler, here is an interview (after polling was released) with Bolling claiming he doesn’t want to be one – but every other remark indicates he is fancing himself as someone very special:
Read through some of that Quinnipiac survey CMac so graciously highlighted. Boy, folks should read through the opinions gathered on gun control:
_58 percent supported a national ban on assault weapons.
_59 percent supported banning high-capacity ammunition magazines.
_62 percent said that allowing people to own assault weapons makes the nation more dangerous.
_66 percent opposed letting teachers carry concealed weapons into their classrooms.
BO – A mere 24 hours ago you disparaged political surveys with your hee-hee filled juvenile post:
“Hahaha, and since when are polls relevant in our current political environment?”
CMac, a mere 24 hours ago you propped up the political survey. Get my point?
So are you saying the survey is valid, or are you saying it isn’t?
BO – If you review the comments I merely posted the Quinnipiac poll with zero commentary. You said political polls didn’t matter yesterday, suddenly today they do. Only leftists think this way, and believe they can get away with it.
Then if that was your intent I guess we were both doing the same thing.
You didn’t answer my question. You apparently saw some merit in the survey our you would not have highlighted it to support your statement. Do you think the survey is vaild?
BO – We aren’t both doing the same thing. You are being a hyprcrite, as usual, saying polls are relevant one day and the total opposite the next. I posted a poll with the comment “Polling has already started”. Maybe you should answer your own question, explain the flip-floping. We are all waiting with baited breath.
There you go again CMac making it about me and not the issue.
Do you think the survey is valid?
“You said political polls didn’t matter yesterday, suddenly today they do.”
AND THAT, in a nutshell, is BO (and to keep him from feeling all PERSONALLY responsible for the train of thought….it is THE NUMBER ONE attribute of all liberals.
The rules are different for them, and if you doubt it, they’ll remind you.
Oh my god Monk, do you get that blinded by my posts that you don’t get what is happening?
Let’s review, I said the polls of contemporary politics are shit. even laughed out loud at them. This right after CMac props up her post with a reference to the Quinnipiac poll which was used to highlight the Bolling support.
Then, not changing my view of polls, I post the details from the SAME pole CMac highlighted, that are extremely supportive of gun control.
My point is: If CMac, and apparently you, put credence into the Quin poll then why wouldn’t you also say “damn” we’re f-ed in public opinion on the gun issue?
So my question is still valid and apparently bristling to CMac: Do you think the poll is accurate?
But hey how am I supposed to penetrate the large belt buckle of protection with logic? I just state my case for all those lurkers out there. I am not here nor do I expect to change the mind of someone like you. Or CMac for that matter.
Scout, RINO’s switch sides all the time when they can’t win their party’s nomination. Bolling would just run “independently” of the GOP and I think he is probing that very thing to see what support is out there. He is only doing this because he feels slighted. After all, he worked out that deal with McDonnell that he would be Gov. next if he didn’t run against Bob. No matter how good an individual is, there should never be “deals” made with or in politics. That seems to be a continuous problem.
ACT, I think you are pretty close to accurate. I am not a Bolling fan, and frankly think he’s taking big advantage of the fragmented and leaderless GOP. He’s raising a ruckus to get something.
I do think it’s a little bizarre of people calling Bolling a RINO. The dude is as conservative as they come.
I also think he’s being realistic. Cuccinelli is unelectable in the general. He’ll easily pass a closed door convention but after that he’s toast.
“you don’t get what is happening” Oh, I get exactly what’s happening…and so does everybody else who reads this. I nailed every liberal doublestandard in the book…and yet you’re still typing
What’s this “my” crap? I just made the point it ain’t about you…and here you are trying to squirm back into the lime light. You are so predictable, I chuckle.
Who called Bolling a RINO? The rest of your statement is your undocumented opinion.
ACT, consider this an opportunity to clarify yourself.
Your post starts by saying RINO’s switch sides when the don’t win their party’s nomination. They you start talking about Bolling. Now most will read that as saying you called Bolling a RINO.
Feel free to clarify.
Monk, you have a very high opinion of yourself. (boy is that the understatement of the year) Not sure why you have to deploy little man status toys such as big trucks, big guns, big talk and big belt buckles to compensate.
There seems to be a lot of ADD going around here. Focus, guys, focus. We’re talking about the viability of Bolling as an independent and whether this is a serious enterprise on his part or simply a positioning tactic.
BE, your reading comprehension fails because you assume everything. No clarification necessary.
As I stated, Bolling feels slighted. He didn’t want the party fight for nominee because he probably wouldn’t have gotten it. Rather then looking like a sore loser and switching sides if he was not nominated, he just went another route. He had already bowed out once. If this is a positioning tactic, it would only achieve a sour grapes personna for him and further show lack of unity within the GOP. Bad form.
I don’t think Blackout could say that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow without a bunch of you going nuts. His response to the RINO comment seemed very reasonable, whether ACT intended to call Bolling a RINO or not.
Independent of that exchange, my observation is that RINO is a meaningless term used by some Rs against other Rs whom, for whatever reason, they don’t care for.
I didn’t prop anything BO. Your “review” means nothing, you flip and flop so much it is impossible to maintain a conversation with you. Since you really wanted to make a point on the same poll about gun control (thus your repeated questions after posting the gun control questions), and it went nowhere now you are pivoting like a ballerina to the Bolling topic. Typical.
I don’t want confuse the excitable BO but there is another poll on the upcoming, there might be 3 or 4 out already (imagine if there were 5?????). Strangely he thinks just mentioning of a poll is “propping”. I won’t post them all as it will just invite more comments that need to be backtracked, then turned over, then agreed with – to support whatever position comes to mind.
Bolling is enjoying the attention, but watch any Senate vote where he has to break a tie. This will be his opportunity to throw R’s under the bus to prove his “independence” and it will have little to do with his ideology and everything to do with being a sore loser.
> I don’t think Blackout could say that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow without
> a bunch of you going nuts.
Of course we would go nuts — it would be the first time he has posted a Truth here!
Bolling is just another symptom of a lost, fragmented, dysfunctional GOP. This mess is going to take a long time to straighten out. And until a true leader emerges from the elected ranks it will stay that way. Bolling is just easily stepping into the void. Scout has it right when he says the RINO term is used by republicans to define other republicans they don’t agree with. Until the concept of a RINO becomes extinct there will be plenty of crevasses for republicans like Bolling to raise hell.
A few suggestions for recovery.
First, republicans need to drop the Norquist leadership on tax issues. The dude is even sticking his head into Richmond policies. Very dangerous for party leadership to come from someone who doesn’t have the credibility of being elected. I am amazed the vast majority of republicans have turned over such a critical function as finance this this knucklehead.
Second, the current republicans need to drop LaPierre as their leader on gun control. The dude is an uncompromising one trick pony. With an agenda driven by cash from gun manufacturers. He runs the greatest flim flam organization of our time. Fleecing members into thinking they are the ones in power. Again, here we have a defacto leader of the current republican party that doesn’t have the credibility of being elected.
Then toss in a bunch of caustic talking heads in the triumvirate of Rush, Beck, and Hannity leading the republicans on policy and slim. Again a big part of the republican party leadership that is not elected.
Until the ELECTED republicans take over, ones that have a realistic instinct on public opinion, as opposed to small minded agenda driven culture warriors we will continue to see an ineffective and laughed at conservative party.
Once this happens the sun will shine in the east again.
“I don’t think Blackout could say that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow without
a bunch of you going nuts.”
“Of course we would go nuts — it would be the first time he has posted a Truth here!”
Actually – he’d change his mind in 24 hours and say the sun rises in the West, and we were all lunatics for disagreeing with him.
CMac what happened to my suggestion you just ignore my posts. You keep polluting the thread with crap about me, which of course I feel compelled to respond to. Give it a rest and so will I.
For someone as rabid, rude and full of hate as you to take anyone to task on how they comment – is ridiculous.
Now go argue that the sun rises in the west, as that argument has as much validity as your suggestions for the Republican Party.
“A few suggestions for recovery.”
You mean, give up being conservative and/or republican and just be a liberal democrat like you?
No thanks, you guys are killing our country just fine without getting help from anyone else.
DD, are you denying that a problem exists within the current republican ranks? If so, that’s a big reason why folks like Bolling are walking through the cracks in the foundation. Without recognizing the need to change things will not change. Further, evidence is a knee jerk reaction to blame others. A little introspection is needed here before things will get better.
Denial is a big problem. Hard not to notice a very conservative party loyalist like Bolling is being accused of being a RINO. How many islands are there within the current republican party?
The fact that VA has a Republican governor, Lt. Governor, and large majority in the House of Delegates clearly shows the Democratic Party is out-of-touch with the people of VA, and is badly in need of reform. Clearly, they’re riven with internal squabbles and disagreements, otherwise they’d own every political seat from dog-catcher to governor.
A little introspection is needed here before things will get better.
Physician, heal thyself.
No denying that squiddy, add in the Loudoun delegation and what is also evident to my observations is a ineffective democratic party in Virginia.
On the national level, different story.
evident= should be added
“DD, are you denying that a problem exists within the current republican ranks?”
The problem is establishment republicans that aren’t conservative. That is being rectified with each successive election, and is why the establishment is scared.
As Squiddy said, though, you’re the pot calling the kettle blackout.
Good strategy there DD, kick out more members of the conservative ranks all in a strategy of purification. Bolling being a prime example.
And folks tilt their head when they see there are more democrats and more independents than there are republicans. Shouldn’t the rectification process be going the other way, a way of increasing the ranks by appealing to the mainstream rather than shrinking the ranks?
” Not sure why you have to deploy little man status toys such as big trucks, big guns, big talk and big belt buckles to compensate.”
Tell you what I’m dead sure about. You’ve lost so many arguments here that you’re now launching personal attribute attacks on individuals. It is the last bastion of the desperate dumbass.
Now if we wajt to discuss a true Napolean Complex, I can give you a list….but you already know that I’m not on it, son. You sound like a little whining bitch when you cry over my assets.
Monk, just because you challenged my every argument doesn’t mean I lost the argument. I am not sure you’re capable of evaluating an alternative view. Nor able to admit you could possibly be wrong about anything. Tends to be a trait of a little man.
Napolean also thought he won every argument due to just being him, even with all his physical inadequacies, but we all know what ended up happening to him.
” Monk, just because you challenged my every argument doesn’t mean I lost the argument”
Yeah, it does. You are just incapable of recognizing it due to your diminished ability to reason. You readily dismiss valid truths and facts because they come from sources that YOU don’t personally “feel” could be right. It’s a common fault of every liberal I’ve ever met.
” the big tent of the GOP invited folks like me to be part of it.” Thanks for the laugh, squatter. So we can offer absolutely no alternative to taxers and spenders and people who have NO clue that there is no more money, huh? It’ll be socialists and socialist-lite?
“The dude is an uncompromising one trick pony. ” Second chuckle. Thanks again. Ever look in the mirror, dunce. There’s an “uncompromising one trick pony ” in there.
And after your speech about the NRA (of which I am a proud member)..you wonder why conservatives don’t want you anywhere near telling us what you think we need to do.
“And folks tilt their head when they see there are more democrats and more independents than there are republicans. ”
Except more Republicans hold public office than Democrats.
But, more to your point, what good is a “Republican” if s/he is a liberal and votes that way. Just wearing a red tie doesn’t do any good.
Little man syndrome. Yup, I’ve seen it before.
I’ve been away for most of the day. Does BO now think he is Napoleon Bonaparte? Zut alors!!!
Haha, Wolverine read back up the chain. It’s Monk who brought it up.
Ha, ha, BO. I just read your exchange with LocoConservative over at TC. For sure you aren’t Napoleon Bonaparte. Even old Bony wasn’t as deluded and full of it as that! By gosh, you ought to take that last TC post and submit it to Comedy Central. Bwahahahahahahaha. You have a natural talent for comedy writing, lad.
I love CC, some of the best insights available these days! I am there often.
Oh thanks for the heads up Wolv, I was described as “not having a thought of her own” and GOP loyalist by BO over at TC and he is over here “poking a hornet’s nest” for the entertainment value. Please, everyone go read about what a bunch of dingbats we are all and how easy it is for BO to score points, make friends and influence people. Winning!
How tall are Bulletproof Monk and Black Out and who would win in ground fight?
Unless Squatter has three martial arts belts that he hasn’t disclosed, bet on the Monk. I can’t get my feet over my head anymore, but I shouldn’t need to for this one. There are 64 pressure points on the human body, and only 6 of them are above the neck.
Oh Monk, you don’t need all that just use one of your military grade assault rifles. Guess you should thank loco for opening the door for you to brag on yourself again. Can you tell us the story again about how you designed and test flew the SR-71? Please please.
CMac, boy you caught that quick over at TC, still a regular lurker over there I am guessing. Even with the sabbatical LI is taking there is still very good debate over there. Especially after the Clown Juice drinkers stopped polluting the banter. You won’t get any open discussion over here about the Loudoun BOS, or Delgaudio. At least not from the regulars.
Black Out is conceding he’d lose a ground fight.
Well you know what they say loco…if you lose the battle of wit and logic you don’t got much left other than to wrassle. I am not compelled take on such a killin fightin machine like the great and wondrous Monk. I don’t see a need.
The days of duels are over dude. At least for most of us.
(btw, BlackOut is trade marked please use it as one word with a capital B and a capital O)
loco…. also use capitals when using Squatting Eagle. NovaTownHall nailed him with that title, and it’s apt as hell.
As for Squatter… I don’t own “military grade” or “assault” rifles. I do not possess the appropriate Class III licensing that would permit that. I do not need firearms in my day to day associations with most people. They are reserved for those who mean harm to me and my family. In that regard, and under the direction of the Escalation of Deadly Force Doctrine, I will use them.
“if you lose the battle of wit and logic you don’t got much left other than to argue with personal attributes”. Phixed it for you.
I think I’ve fractured about 5 of your myths in one paragraph.
It has been fascinating to see the degree to which BlackOut has some of you folks programmed. Wiggle the cape, the bulls charge. I’m a bit surprised the novelty hasn’t worn off for BO. It’s wearing off for me in this thread. It’s pretty tough to extract the ebb and flow on the Bolling shenanigans from the comments here.
You’ve got it backwards. He’s the ball on the paddle and he keeps bouncing back for more abuse. He’s the mole in whack-a-mole….cause he has a thirst for our hammers. And in both cases, he’s the captive part of the equation.
Sorry, Scout, but being a Fairfax guy has apparently and understandably caused you to misread the real intent of these recent Loudoun threads. Bill Bolling we can discuss anytime.
Instead of looking at BlackOut as the “programmer,” you should look at him as a long-time Loudoun blog boy who has worn out his welcome here and who is very likely to be treated like a clay pigeon any time he deigns to put in an appearance. I mean, really, Scout, there are only so many times a feller can show up on a blog and insult both the blogmeister and the regular bloggers, then pose as a “Man for All Seasons” who thinks he is expert on every possible topic and declare that his interlocutors have only “sludge” in their brains. There are limits, even in blogland.
Recently some of us have chosen to play some rounds of “Whack-a-BlackOut” — just to see if this known quantity can be induced to adopt some civility in his blog persona. Make that “personas,” since he blogs under several different handles, apparently believing that he is fooling the unaware — or whatever. Strange case. But with a blog record which provides all kinds of counterattack material. In any case, we have just gone through months and months and months of discussing politics and politicians, with the result being a bit of weariness over who is doing what to whom in the smoke-filled back rooms. Time for a little recreation mixed in with the political. Might even be able to salvage the boy. But probably not.
To tell the truth, since LI went on a sabbatical, there have been certain posters at TC, led by a new feller calling himself T. Doom Pickens, who have been wiping out liberal behinds on a regular basis with economic and fiscal arguments. It has been sort of like a blog Normandy Landing over there. A number of the lib posters had fled the field under the heat. Lloyd the Idiot and Liberal Anthropologist have been holding the blog together in LI’s absence with some good threads of their own. It has, indeed, been an interesting time over there. Gotta admire our boy Eric the Half Troll, however. He keeps sticking his head up above the lip of the trench and braving the conservative artillery fire. He’s got some staying power in him.
He strikes me as being fairly civil. I think he sort of enjoys kicking over the beehives. You guys oblige him. The better course is just to keep the threads on point with the posts.
Opinions are like assholes, Scout. And 95% of those here think he’s lying scum and treat him as pure entertainment.
Scout, I would like to know what magic wand you use to make the threads on point with the post. I have little control over where commenters veer from the core. A few do it by habit and others bite. It is what it is and I let it go. Sooner or later someone (many times myself) will steer it back for a comment or two before another round of left field dialogue occurs. It is what it is. Your civil friend Troll is very good at veering away from the initial subject. You may take your comments in any direction you wish and they will be responded to. Staying on track with the post is always appreciated.
Yank, as of late, it has been difficult for me to just keep track here so I haven’t been afforded time to look at TC but once in a month. Maybe when I have loads of spare time and am bored, I might venture a peek for entertainment purposes but it has become so vicious and liberal that I find cleaning my latrines to be more enjoyable. I’m sure that those “new bloggers” will be run off once LI is back on point.
Scout, we’re just trying to eliminate the “fairly” from your sentence. It’s a blog experiment, so to speak. Might work. Might not. On many another blog I have visited, the boy would have been fast disappearing toast after insulting the blogmeister and regular bloggers. We keep him around for the entertainment and to, from time to time, get out of this “always so damned serious” mode the current political climate has engendered.
As for Bolling: you can see that many who aren’t picked by the party, go independent. Why? Many reasons. I think Bolling thinks he can do the most good (besides feeling slighted from a “promised” position) and he could win. I would like to know how Cucinelli, the new boy on the block, became more popular and conservative to make him the party’s viable choice? Why did McDonnell which endorsements after the “deal was made”? I’m still wondering why Goode ran for President. I like Virgil but for the life of me I don’t know what he was trying to prove. Bolling may be conservative but maybe not enough for the people. Can’t say. Still appears to be a sour grape run to me.
BE is a mainstay. If I was a therapist, I would have burned my diploma long ago and gone to ditch digging. It is quite fascinating and depressing at the same time to “see” what people really believe and how disconnected from reality it is. This is better and much safer than doing LSD. I can escape in this blog while on the couch. I would have never considered 45 years ago that people like BE would be in charge of the asylum and this country. I have been trying to find the fork in the road that got us to this place and this blog has helped me solve that.
BlackOut gets his ass waxed on this blog almost daily and he likes it. That’s not normal.
Larry…you gotta give me warning or something. I blew Dr. Pepper out my nose laughing so hard!
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