I used the Huff-Post article because it carried the most information so far. Too many things running around in my head and too much blame to be distributed. What the hell are we doing to our military personnel?
Of the five men in the country….dare I say, World…. who could shoot a 2 foot square grouping at 2000 yards, there is now one less. You tell me how I should take it.
This may be the unfolding of a more sinister happening. It began with the villianization of the Armed Forces combat veterans by the HHS Secretary sometime back.
They are scared shitless by those who can stop their agenda, and they’ll remove that threat if they have to. That was my initial thought, and I’m waiting to see more detail come in , and how it’s spun …to whether it’s credible or not. (after the lie that was Benghazi….)
Damn said news. A decorated war hero, the recipient of our best military training, a world class marksman, a trained killer shot dead by a nut with a gun. You would think someone with his capabilities and at a location were guns were uber prevalent would have been enough to allow him to self protect himself, or have someone there come to his aid.
I like what you did there.
You expressed sympathy, but didn’t let it get in the way of spitting out your meme.
The “nut with a gun” was a Marine back from the war zone, fool!
As I said ACT he was a nut with a gun.
From the AP:
“The Iraq War veteran charged with killing a former Navy SEAL sniper and his friend on a Texas shooting range had been taken to a mental hospital twice in the past five months and told authorities he was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, police records show.
Eddie Ray Routh, 25, also told his sister and brother-in-law after the shootings that he “traded his soul for a new truck,” according to an Erath County arrest warrant affidavit obtained by WFAA-TV. Police said Routh was driving the truck of victim and ex-Navy SEAL Chris Kyle at the time of his arrest.”
So how does this guy gain access to guns? According to the NRA everything is just fine. No need to do anything at all.
BTW, tell me again how armed gaurds will solve the school safety issue…
“They are scared shitless by those who can stop their agenda, and they’ll remove that threat if they have to.”
Give that man a gun (…I mean cigar…)
“BTW, tell me again how armed gaurds will solve the school safety issue…”
Why don’t you ask the Connecticut School Board for Sandy Hook…As they just voted to put an armed guard in their schools….exactly as the NRA suggested before you dumbasses went all pavlov’s dog on him.
Back off with the snark, Eric. I don’t think you will find any disagreement anywhere that mental illness and gun ownership/access do not mix and that we have to find much better and surer ways to handle this. It is on the table. But here you have a real tough case which involves more than just this one obviously sick veteran but all combat vets and the issue of PTSD. We are going to have to be very, very careful about decision-making in which our vets are more susceptible than others to being declared to have mental problems. That can affect everything in their lives, not just gun ownership/access. It is obvious to me from reports thus far that Routh should not have had a gun and should not have been at that gun range. But this debate is much wider than Routh. Let’s address it without the partisan crap.
So address it, Wolv. The NRA spokesman doesn’t even want to have universal background checks, let alone mental screening. No snark here, they are pushing for the status quo.
Eric, all I have heard repeatedly from anyone, including you and government, is “universal background checks” — no details, no working proposals, nothing solid. If someone in authority puts something on the table which can be debated, let me know. I have repeatedly asked that question here and even given some types of gun exchanges; and all I get from you guys is maybe this and maybe that and maybe some kinds of exceptions can be written in. If you anti-gun people want changes, then lay a detailed plan on the table so we can all talk.
Kyle was trying to do something he wasn’t trained to do. He was helping a brother-in-arms with a condition that he was familiar with and working with these guys “through experience”. I don’t think he had a good enough handle to see how far gone this guy was. Something snapped and it cost him. No one will ever know what transpired out at that range.Mental illness and PTSD are two very different things. Like I said, what are we doing to our military personnel?
Wolv, believe there is something coming out of senate soon. My thing is simple. Close the private sales loophole. Period. I will accept an immediate family exclusion if I must but it has to be a narrow exclusion. Uncle Joe gets a background check run on him.
I am also for removing the current product liability immunity for gun manufacturers. Level the playing field with all other products.
Yeah. Your thing is simple. It’s abolish the 2nd amendment, as you’ve stated here and elsewhere.
Fuck you, and everyone who thinks like you. Oh, and what you’ll “accept” is exactly what the squishes are willing to give you, because you have no votes for anything else.
I said that ifbitbstands in the way of gun regulation the 2nd amendment should be repealed. I also said tat given recent SCOTUS decisions, it is not necessary to do so.
I will not accept watered down legislation. It might not mater whether I accept it or not but I will continue to argue for gun control legislation that is meaningful.
Good to see that Cato is lockstep with the NRA on this one – do nothing. Typical. Just don’t be surprised when more of these sort of instances occur as more and more gun nuts and c
And crazy people get more and more guns.
Btw, looks like Cato is REALLY hoping they don’t pass any mental screening legislation. We might find him and Cypher holed-up in a bunker together.
Eric — Go honestly on the record for us. Do you ultimately support taking ALL the guns out of private hands?
Notice the buss words “meaningful” and “responsible” showing up all the time. The Obama Press Media indoctronates well.
No Wolv, I don’t.
Thank you for that forthright response, Eric. That’s a start. There is so much crap flying around the country on this issue that I feel we have to get people to admit to their absolute bottom line or end game or we are just going to go round and round in endless circles.
Wolv, I support (and would be perfectly happy with) treating guns like we do cars. I am no more interested in removing all guns from private hands than I am in removing all cars. If you go back to that analogy each time we are discussing a topic, you will know my position (or pretty close to it). I guess the big difference is that people do not usually amass cars in case they are needed to overthrow the government so there are limits to my analogy but like I said…pretty close.
Act, what is the point in passing legislation if it is “meaningless”? In other words, there is no sense passing a law with an intentional gaping hole in it that negates the whole premise of the law (other than for the politicians to continue their charade that is).
Triberal, I couldn’t agree more. There is absolutely no reason to pass or even consider “meaningless” bills. That is why you consider things from all sides first and take your time doing it. What you NEVER do is try to pass legislation on the heels of something that has occurred, which is driven by “feel good” emotions. That is always meaningless legislation.
I do remember you wanted to know if CCW had a photo. It does not but it does stipulate it must always be accompanied with appropriate photo ID.
So why, then do the Virginia Republicans consider it (by itself) an adequate form of voter ID?
Same as the voter registration card they send you. I would prefer photo ID myself.
“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
Name that quote…and the accompanying reason that since 1812….no one has dared to set foot here with conquer on their mind. It’s why the liberals had to go in the back door with the UN. They dare not come to the front door.
And to disarm law-abiding Americans (by blaming the sins of the unlawful upon them) is UNAMERICAN, and lazy opportunism brought about by dememnted idiots who don’t want to punish the crooks who sidestep the law.
Name that quote. I looked it up, BPM, and it seems that this is a bogus quote attributed to Admiral Yamamoto. So I don’t think anyone knows who really said it, but it wasn’t Yamamoto.
As for the accompanying reason why no one has dared to set foot here, well, is it beacuse we have the atlantic and pacific ocean on either side of us? Is that what you mean?
IQ….c’mom. If a foriegn force was ever planning on invasion, they might have to deal with the Army and the National Guard….but on every street corner and mountain holler, there’d be patriots armed to the teeth, and there is no way they’d get a toehold in-country.
That’s that “so-called” Militia that liberals can’t tolerate. It’s also what has made invading America N bsolute fictional tale for the past 200 years.
“Apparently, there is no proof that this was ever said, that is correct. However, it should be noted that Yamamoto spent time in the U.S., attending Harvard for two or more years. He spoke fluent English and had a keen understanding of the industrial capabilities of the United States. He did not want war with the U.S. for this, and possibly other reason. Therefore, while he may not have made this now-famous quote, it is likely that he may have believed it, therefore being a good person to attribute it to.”
IQ, you’ve attributed your IQ as a 98 percentile….but I suppose that the number doesn’t actually imply that you’re not familiar with boats? Rather large ones?
Here it comes the spin around what was said…I’ve seen this movie many times before.
Yeah…he makes a point that we’re surrounded by two seas that prevent attacks….and I point out the existance of sea-worthy vessels as a spin around. Do you even think before you type?
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